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Overhauling of the NCHSAA by the NC House

Nope. But a lot of my friends are. Always with the preface, “but I’m not racist”. My high school went from 1,000 students to 625. Eighty percent white to 20%. Decades before COVID. First it was to county schools. Now some to charters and privates. And when candid, they admit that they want their kids and grandkids to go to school with kids who look like them. You can try to marginalize it with condescending rhetoric all you want. It’s very much a part of the reality we live in.
In bold...that's the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard/seen. I am white, and I literally do not know ONE person who would ever utter that comment.
I personally don't love private/charter schools....but if their reasons for going are: better education, safer school to attend and less BS that goes on during school due to people not raising their kids better and them knowing how to act at whatever local Public school area they're in....then good for them.
 
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And when candid, they admit that they want their kids and grandkids to go to school with kids who look like them.
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In bold...that's the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard/seen. I am white, and I literally do not know ONE person who would ever utter that comment.
I personally don't love private/charter schools....but if their reasons for going are: better education, safer school to attend and less BS that goes on during school due to people not raising their kids better and them knowing how to act at whatever local Public school area they're in....then good for them.
Ever hear a racist joke? Or the protest that, “I’m not racist. I have some Black friends”? If not, good for you and perhaps for your friends. But I definitely believe you’re in the minority by far. Absolutely not everyone who is white is racist. But there are plenty out there, whether you recognize them or not.
And no, not everyone who changes schools has racism as a motive. But there are plenty of those too.
 
Ever hear a racist joke? Or the protest that, “I’m not racist. I have some Black friends”? If not, good for you and perhaps for your friends. But I definitely believe you’re in the minority by far. Absolutely not everyone who is white is racist. But there are plenty out there, whether you recognize them or not.
And no, not everyone who changes schools has racism as a motive. But there are plenty of those too.
Based on those conversations you had and a school losing students over decades. Sounds legit.
 
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I know Que fairly well which is based on dealings with her for over twenty years. I get along great with her but I am not going against her. Que is a hard charger, very rigid to the rule book. She does not back down. She is also smart and articulate but when she is upset you know it and feel the wrath.

I know McInnis through some of my best friends that deal with him often. He is petty and expects to get his way or else and that is what he said about this.

I think the main reason by far this blew up is McInnis did not get his way. I think Que being female and black fell in line in that order after that by with far less cause than than him not having his butt kissed.

I know the coach at Anson. GREAT guy! He got caught in the middle. He did what he felt was best to keep the team moving forward and did not tell them they would not be in the playoff until the regular season was over. I have NEVER agreed with this rule and have stated that many times. The school administrators seem to be for it and strongly so. They were beginning to put more focus on parents and spectators.

Charlie Adams had been around for years and was a political animal who knew how to handle such situations. Note he got screwed over by the legislature with an unexpected first vote of the morning to change teams to another conference about 16 years ago.

Davis Whitfield was a smooth operator. He would have been challenged on this, also. Que took it head on and did not get an outside allies to assist which is what Charlie would have done. Not sure about Davis.

That was a renewal of the series but Anson did not need to be playing Richmond or any average 4A team. They beat 1A Albemarle (and that is not Albemarle of old) 17-14 and lost by five to North Stanly. That is the teams they need to be playing non conference. Anson bounced from 4A to 3A and back a few times and is now 2A where they have been up and down.

If Hickory Ridge did not get booted there would be no reason to have rules. From what I was told by coaches at UP and Pinecrest the same was deserved in that situation but I did not see any film on it.
Agree 100%. You are spot on as always. It was a personal vendetta mixed with a perfect storm of individuals involved. If RC gets suspended too Anson doesn't cry as much. But with RC continuing and Anson out had Anson big mad. Anson knew all year they were out, but put up a fuss the last week of the season. It had nothing to do with NCHSAA finances, but now here we are.

-Also Mt. Island got hit vs. Carver. Mt. Island had a great season and Carver not so much. The only tweak I would have to the rule is these late season games where you have a team that's clearly making the playoffs vs a clearly non playoff team. The non-Playoff team has nothing to lose and sometimes IMHO their players take more risk, and play more freely to purposely bait the other team. Similar to Hickory Ridge/East Meck. In both of those situations the non-playoff team was the clear aggressor. There should be a carryover penalty for the non-playoff team for the next season. This will eliminate some of this late season stuff we often see.
 
Yes I am aware but if it was so egregious an error as the politician stated, why didn’t the school challenge it sooner? I agree that the school and coach must have thought it was bad enough not to appeal disqualification. I would love to hear from the school or coach themselves about their reasoning not to appeal.
The school was good with it as most schools are, The politician was not. The team/general public was not made aware until the end of the season. Anson finally had a good season so it was a shock to the fanbase, but the coach and admin knew very early. As RC had got their ruling back also. There was no stink until Anson had a good season and the politician got involved. Coach likely thought they'd suck and it would be a mute point, but they won the conference instead
 
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I think the coach knew/knows the rule regarding players leaving the sideline. I do not like the rule but do you change it then and allow Anson into the playoffs a few months after they were removed or does the NCHSAA bring it to the board at the winter meeting a few weeks later and make the change going forward?

McInnis says their was nothing to it but it memory serves me correct that was right before halftime and the coaches and officials met and decided to call the game. Richmond was up 33-0 at that point.
Anson had more than 3 fighting ejections for the season, and RC less than 3. Anson had 6 guys ejected that game. RC I believe only 1. It was 33-0 and the decision was made within 5 days of the game. So Anson clearly knew their fate. It was so bad they stopped the game at half. we are here today because some folk cant accept responsibility.
 
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The school was good with it as most schools are, The politician was not. The team/general public was not made aware until the end of the season. Anson finally had a good season so it was a shock to the fanbase, but the coach and admin knew very early. As RC had got their ruling back also. There was no stink until Anson had a good season and the politician got involved. Coach likely thought they'd suck and it would be a mute point, but they won the conference instead
I was thinking alone those same lines.
 
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Ever hear a racist joke? Or the protest that, “I’m not racist. I have some Black friends”? If not, good for you and perhaps for your friends. But I definitely believe you’re in the minority by far. Absolutely not everyone who is white is racist. But there are plenty out there, whether you recognize them or not.
And no, not everyone who changes schools has racism as a motive. But there are plenty of those too.
When you look through racist eyes. Everything you see is racist.
 
Based on a previous link I provided that you didn’t, or couldn’t, read the schools mirror traditional ones.

From a small size of students across the state. Compare demographics at neighboring schools. Compare Community School of Davidson to North Meck. Compare Lincoln Charter to East Lincoln. Compare Grey Stone Day to Ablemarle.

Like minded individuals. Why do folks only want to surround themselves with like minded individuals anyway? Because they can't step out of their comfort zone?
 
From a small size of students across the state. Compare demographics at neighboring schools. Compare Community School of Davidson to North Meck. Compare Lincoln Charter to East Lincoln. Compare Grey Stone Day to Ablemarle.
Then that would be evident in the overall numbers presented. Across the state and elsewhere but you can prove that and are relying on feelings.
 
There is demographic data for NC charter schools.
Per the link: “You can see that over the years, we’ve seen the (local education agency’s) ethnic and racial data fairly aligned to charter schools,” Baquero said. “The biggest difference we always see is with the Hispanic population.”
 
There is demographic data for NC charter schools.
Per the link: “You can see that over the years, we’ve seen the (local education agency’s) ethnic and racial data fairly aligned to charter schools,” Baquero said. “The biggest difference we always see is with the Hispanic population.”
Yeah but you can't look at overall numbers. Focus on a couple schools in certain areas and a conversation you had with friends. That's how racism sneaks in.
 
Then that would be evident in the overall numbers presented. Across the state and elsewhere but you can prove that and are relying on feelings.
Man stop it. White flight has been an issue in major cities for years especially in NC. They don't want to go to schools with high free lunch, high poverty, or misbehaving black children in their eyes. That's why its less charter/private school growth with schools that are already predominantly white.

Look at CMS. Historically its been a white school district, but has changed to almost 35% black. But what are the only highschools that are not magnet in any way? Providence, Ardrey Kell, Hough, Myers Park, South Meck (language only), Butler, Independence. These schools are predominantly white. The school system basically makes it impossible to attend these schools unless they are your home school. They do all they can to prevent white flight at these schools.

-Now where are all the magnet schools located? North Meck, West Charlotte, Harding, and Phillip O Berry and then smaller themed highschools that dont play sports. Those schools are almost 99% black, and low income. At one point CMS only had a few magnet schools, and there was more diversity. But with Charters targeting certain segments of the population and white flight it puts most public HS in a bind. You can never blame a parent for doing what's best for their child, but we cant over look the importance of race or the " Like Minded student" approach has in these discussions.

Its a reactive issue but some children just don't want to learn, and their parents have done a piss poor job raising them to be in control. Its just a real issue school systems have to deal with. Just like there's a racist undertone of them not wanting to go to school with blacks there is an issue with misbehavior and fighting among low income blacks that has to be addressed. Call it like it is. Those are the issues the modern metro school system struggles with
 
Man stop it. White flight has been an issue in major cities for years especially in NC. They don't want to go to schools with high free lunch, high poverty, or misbehaving black children in their eyes. That's why its less charter/private school growth with schools that are already predominantly white.

Look at CMS. Historically its been a white school district, but has changed to almost 35% black. But what are the only highschools that are not magnet in any way? Providence, Ardrey Kell, Hough, Myers Park, South Meck (language only), Butler, Independence. These schools are predominantly white. The school system basically makes it impossible to attend these schools unless they are your home school. They do all they can to prevent white flight at these schools.

-Now where are all the magnet schools located? North Meck, West Charlotte, Harding, and Phillip O Berry and then smaller themed highschools that dont play sports. Those schools are almost 99% black, and low income. At one point CMS only had a few magnet schools, and there was more diversity. But with Charters targeting certain segments of the population and white flight it puts most public HS in a bind. You can never blame a parent for doing what's best for their child, but we cant over look the importance of race or the " Like Minded student" approach has in these discussions.

Its a reactive issue but some children just don't want to learn, and their parents have done a piss poor job raising them to be in control. Its just a real issue school systems have to deal with. Just like there's a racist undertone of them not wanting to go to school with blacks there is an issue with misbehavior and fighting among low income blacks that has to be addressed. Call it like it is. Those are the issues the modern metro school system struggles with
I already stated that demographics for areas have always been changing. Now point out where the kids in charter schools are demographically over represented compared to the rest of their in state peers. BTW I love how "like minded parents" has become the new dog whistle for some kind of racist group. Far be it for parents and kids to want a different approach than the one size fits all model being championed.
 
Who's up next to push the idea that charters are just being used to ship white people away from black people in school? Charter school demographics be darned.
 
Charter schools just seem like a waste of resources to me. Honors, IB Programs and early colleges exist for those who want to challenge their kids/students more. Also any entity that receives money from the government as a means to operate should be beholden to government regulations. Go full private if you don't want to.
 
Charter schools just seem like a waste of resources to me. Honors, IB Programs and early colleges exist for those who want to challenge their kids/students more. Also any entity that receives money from the government as a means to operate should be beholden to government regulations. Go full private if you don't want to.
They cost less per pupil than traditional ones and are bound by the following:

https://www.dpi.nc.gov/students-families/alternative-choices/charter-schools/legislationpolicy
 
Not irrelevant when they get to play by different rules yet I keep getting ridiculed for saying it.
It wasn’t the question asked so yes irrelevant.

Plus that whole argument doesn’t help your cause anyway. Showing public schools are layered with needless rules and bureaucracy just points out another one of their failures.
 
Who's up next to push the idea that charters are just being used to ship white people away from black people in school? Charter school demographics be darned.
The charters I have been around seem to be mostly non black or a vast majority of black students making up the student body. Often the traditional public schools are the same but if looking at all high schools across the board I believe the numbers per school would show much less diversity at the charters.
 
It wasn’t the question asked so yes irrelevant.

Plus that whole argument doesn’t help your cause anyway. Showing public schools are layered with needless rules and bureaucracy just points out another one of their failures.

So you're saying their a failure because of the NCGA? Because LEAs don't impose those needless rules and bureaucracy. Why doesn't the NCGA change those rules and allow LEAs and charters to have the same rulebook? We know why.
 
The charters I have been around seem to be mostly non black or a vast majority of black students making up the student body. Often the traditional public schools are the same but if looking at all high schools across the board I believe the numbers per school would show much less diversity at the charters.
Already been linked and debunked. Charters are representative of the overall body. We are just at the Hail Mary point of arguing against them by playing up the racism angle.
 
So you're saying their a failure because of the NCGA? Because LEAs don't impose those needless rules and bureaucracy. Why doesn't the NCGA change those rules and allow LEAs and charters to have the same rulebook? We know why.
Chase those boogeymen all you like. Mr 9/11 inside job.
 
So you're saying their a failure because of the NCGA? Because LEAs don't impose those needless rules and bureaucracy. Why doesn't the NCGA change those rules and allow LEAs and charters to have the same rulebook? We know why.
Out of your last 85 posts 79 of them have been about this State NCHSAA stuff.
 
Chase those boogeymen all you like. Mr 9/11 inside job.

I'm more of a why do we chase that Saudi money when they funded 9/11 guy. Sorry to burst your bubble.

There is no boogeyman to chase.

You seem to ignore the huge unlevel playing field charters are being given and can't answer why the NCGA has given them such free reign while tightening the grip on LEAS
 
Already been linked and debunked. Charters are representative of the overall body. We are just at the Hail Mary point of arguing against them by playing up the racism angle.
That is not what my post was stating. Based on the charters I have been to and/or have working knowledge of the student bodies seemed to be a majority of one race for that particular school. Once the numbers are divided up across the state they may reflect the statewide demographics but that does mean individual schools meet the same percentages. Personally, race is not my main concern with charters versus traditional.

Greystone (83% Caucasian) does not reflect the demographics of the four Stanly County traditional schools. Same with Uwharrie Charter (85%) and the traditional schools in Randolph County.
 
That is not what my post was stating. Based on the charters I have been to and/or have working knowledge of the student bodies seemed to be a majority of one race for that particular school. Once the numbers are divided up across the state they may reflect the statewide demographics but that does mean individual schools meet the same percentages. Personally, race is not my main concern with charters versus traditional.

Greystone (83% Caucasian) does not reflect the demographics of the four Stanly County traditional schools. Same with Uwharrie Charter (85%) and the traditional schools in Randolph County.
And if it was a trend statewide where races are being pulled from others then it would show in the numbers. It does not. Personal visits and all aside.
 
I'm more of a why do we chase that Saudi money when they funded 9/11 guy. Sorry to burst your bubble.

There is no boogeyman to chase.

You seem to ignore the huge unlevel playing field charters are being given and can't answer why the NCGA has given them such free reign while tightening the grip on LEAS
We are in agreement about the Saudis.

Then you go and ruin it by MAGAing it in the last post. We were so close.
 
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We probably agree on alot more than you may realize. Obviously not this but can't agree on it all.

Where is the MAGAing?

I don't understand why it's so hard to get that regular LEAs and charters have a different set of rules.
 
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