Hokiemtc
Here's the bottom line, Chump...10 of your little 2A titles does not add up to equal a single 4A title. I can't even imagine what kind of carnage Mallard Creek would create if they played your schedule. Half of the teams you play every year would quit football altogether if they looked across the field and saw Mallard Creek standing there. If you switched places with them, I doubt very seriously that Shelby even goes .500 this season. Heck, you lost twice WITHOUT playing any big boys. If you can't even run the table on your level, then you would obviously be way out of your league sitting at the big table with us.
So here are some guidelines for you to follow in the future if you want to actually be relevant in some way...
Rule #1) Play somebody.
Rule #2) Beat somebody.
Until Shelby does either one of these on the 4A level, then you simply do not exist as a noteworthy football program in the state of North Carolina. The bottom line is that there are about 50 programs in the state that could beat your winning percentage if they played your schedules, so there's just nothing at all about Shelby's record that's all that impressive, considering who you beat to get those wins.
Btango
..whatever you said.
Hokiemtc- We don't know whether to let you keep blabbering away in your completely idiotic ranting and slobbering, or dress you down in a public debate that would have you, like btango, totally disarmed yet threatening to bite us to death. Where btango understands the reasonable logic of fair play that dictates classifications in all sports, we have decided you really don't. You are that ignorant. Btango chooses to ignore the common sense requirement of classifications as HIS EGO pushes him in the same direction as you. For him, it is all about impressing others on this and other websites with his historical knowledge and opinions regardless of how flawed or biased. It is a popularity and acceptance contest for btango, therefore he pushes the 4A big school agendas so he shows up in that bigger fan and media pond. And he just loves to drop names and his itinerary, like anyone cares. What's funny is btango still refuses to identify himself and on what authority he speaks.
The reason we keep posts from the past is that many of you have proven to be slow learners. It is like having a Shelby High Football textbook. You have to keep going back for lessons and we tire of writing the same irrefutable historical facts over and over on each post. The info is on the website, but we can't expect you to actually check the facts first now can we. And we do not start these threads/responses unless provoked. This one came from someone terming Richmond County's football program as the "gold standard upon which all NC high school programs are measured". Don't want to hear us? Don't make claims that don't stand up to scrutiny.
Now back to hokiemtc and his lesson on classification. You do understand that some schools have more students than others, correct. And reasonable logic says that a bigger student population will generally provide more athletes into that school's athletic programs. And from that larger group of athletes, a larger number of actually very talented individuals than a school with a smaller group to pick from. Team depth occurs also as a larger school will have even more average athletes to rotate in.
Each state has one or more sanctioning organizations for public schools. Each sanctioning body divides its member schools up into anywhere from two to eight size classifications based on the number of students enrolled at a school (so that schools are assured to compete against other schools of comparable size) and then each classification is further divided into conferences. NC has four classifications; 1A, 2A, 3A , and 4A. A school's size classification can change if its enrollment rises or declines over the years. In the past at the smallest schools in NC, particularly in rural communities, variations on the game using six, eight, or nine players per side instead of the traditional eleven were encountered.
In NC for the football playoffs only, each classification is subdivided (1-A, 1-AA, 2-A, 2-AA, 3-A, 3-AA, 4-A, 4-AA). Then the following steps are followed:
1) All classifications will field a full complement of 64 teams, 32 in each sub-division.
2) If ties exist at any level the tie(s) will be broken by a draw.
Once the 64 teams are determined they will be divided into groups of 32 (large and small groups of 32) based on their ADM (total student population) for the present school year. The next step is to divide each group of 32 into the 16 eastern and western most teams. This is not done by conferences but on actual geography.
So you see hokiemtc, no state, including NC, expect smaller schools to compete with larger schools. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NOW or are you the only one in the world that doesn't get it? But all are treated equal as "high schools" IN THEIR RESPECTIVE DIVISIONS. The championship trophies look the same. The title games are all played at NC university stadiums and all are televised the same. The programs and records are all presented the same. No officials ever claim that the 4AA title is any more significant than the 1A title is. The media treats them different because the media understandably reports back to the bigger cities where the bigger schools generally come from. But this is not a popularity contest. The Shelby High Golden Lions don't care about popularity. We care about remaining the most successful, sustained, winning program in all NC high school football. That we earned that position is a historical and statistical fact, not opinion. Gotta be 4A to be "noteworthy" was your word? To NC fans of bigger schools maybe. Texas fans in 7A would laugh at you and your 4A rants. They would say come play them and their 5000 to 6000 student schools.
If Cleveland County consolidated into one high school like you did, it would produce a school with 4500 students that would crush Richmond County and all other current NC high schools. For now, NC has chosen to top out at around 2300 for the biggest. Richmond County just happens to be in that largest group. Rumor has it RC will be classified small 4A soon. Then maybe you can beat Scotland
.oh, we forgot.
