After reading some of these post I had to comment. First time poster here. 173 herd I will say I love your comments on here, and I am also a BIG fan of Heil.. Middle School Football is the start to a great high school program. That is the most important time in my opinion for these kids to be coached, and taught!!!!! This is a time when middle school coaches can easily change a kids life and lead them down the right road. Its the high school coaches job to pick up from there and continue the job. I saw earlier where you guys brought up Roger Graham from Pembroke Middle. I must say he is one of the best I have ever saw, that never got a chance. Shawn28364 Roger has never coached a sport at PSHS. On a sad note he has applied for job twice and both times the job was give to his former assistant coaches. I feel a head coach needs to spend more time at the middle schools, let the kids know you care and want them..
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You are correct, it was not Roger Graham, it was Coach Leo Locklear......but my point remains the same.
Guys, I will tell you this, middle school is important but you can take a middle school playbook and win at the 4a level, especially in the best conference in the state.
The coach must be proven at that level as a coordinator. Something we don't have now! We have a unproven coach at our school
The coach must be proven at that level as a coordinator. Something we don't have now! We have a unproven coach at our school
I agree with the playbook part. So what exactly do you mean by a "proven" coach? A former head coach somewhere else? Or an assistant coach who has some years under his belt? Like I mentioned earlier, I do not know the new coach or his style of play calling. All I can go by is the results....and they were not too good this season. But I never judge a coaches ability after just one season.....now if it happens again next season, that's totally different.
Get a proven HC or Coordinator with some years under there belt. Not a OC that has only has 1 yr experience. He is a offensive coordinator who average 8 points a game last ur at chapel hill. How many points did they score this ur?
I didn't mind them giving someone else a shot....but the old one had to go....he grew too stale and hadn't produced in a few years. You may think he is a nice guy, but the 4A game had passed him by. Now he is on the 2A level and is having success....I wouldn't try to compare the two because they are completely different animals (4A & 2A).
it is not two different animals. just ask the schools that beat us prior to conference what class they were in? one was 2a, and the other two were 3a. the only difference is the number of athletes you will have.
I will never say that Mark Heil didn't produce. I think the support around got weaker and weaker each year.
when you are in the conference we are in with RC, SC, and Pinecrest do you think they will give a first year coach a chance? one that couldn't prove himself as a cooridinator or head coach at previous schools??? if we want to be like those schools why are we not requiring our coaches to be at the same level as there coaches?
I will never say that Mark Heil didn't produce. I think the support around got weaker and weaker each year.
when you are in the conference we are in with RC, SC, and Pinecrest do you think they will give a first year coach a chance? one that couldn't prove himself as a cooridinator or head coach at previous schools??? if we want to be like those schools why are we not requiring our coaches to be at the same level as there coaches?
I believe if PS would have had a winning season, Heil would have been a forgotten man by now. But since they didnt, and Fairmont is still playing, people are saying it was a bad decision. When you WIN you will have all the support in the world. Lose and the whole world wants your head. Next season if they don't win, I will be right with you in the picket line....but one season isn't fair. When was the last time PS was in the playoffs by the way? How many seasons ago? This guy may not be the answer, and whoever hired him will see that next time they should consult with others before selecting a coach....especially if they have little interest in sports themselves.
I'm with 28364, one year isn't enough. I was told that Sherman didnt get to take ANY of his old coaches with him. So, basically you still have ALL the same people in place except for Heil. So, quietly Sherman maybe getting the same treatment Heil did. Really, how many HC go to a new program by himself and not take atleast one or two assistants with him? Coach Cast, was able to bring a couple of his right-hand staff members with him and it's paying off in a GREAT way.
So, in 07 when he arrived back from cape fear he didn't bring a single assistant and went 3 rounds deep in the playoffs. This yr he has done the same in the same manner.
Here is what I will say that I have said for the past 10 months. The principle made the move because heil was not his hire. He had a lot of pressure from parents to have him fired. A decision he could care less about. For the AD, I have always liked him. However, that is changing by the sport seasons. Heil did have a few bad yrs. if we are wanting excellence at PSHS in sports every coach should be fired minus soccer, wrestling, and golf. When did we make the playoffs last in basketball? We have had more baseball talent than any other school in the region and have done nothing with it. A team full of PS baseball players went to the west coast and made it to a championship game in a World Series league. The same players can't win the conference in NC. but that is fine, I guess we will keep local coaches. But will fire one when parents only ask it be done.
Also, two deep pocket boosters, one who was a convicted felon wanted to donate a lot of money to the sports program. They also wanted to make a lot of decisions about the fuzzball program, Heil was not down with that. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, money talks in Rob co. Even illegal money.
Also, two deep pocket boosters, one who was a convicted felon wanted to donate a lot of money to the sports program. They also wanted to make a lot of decisions about the fuzzball program, Heil was not down with that. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, money talks in Rob co. Even illegal money.
28364, during your high school days, wasn't Heil your HC. So, why no love since he did right by you and started you?
Yep. I am aware of the age of the baseball players.
Tiger, I think the issue is to many people want to see things how they want to see it. Regardless if it is right or wrong it will be wrong regardless how it really is.
Yep, Heil fell on some great athletes at PS in 07 and again at Fairmont. But talent can only take you so far, you need a person to teach, coach, and mentor.
Tiger, I think the issue is to many people want to see things how they want to see it. Regardless if it is right or wrong it will be wrong regardless how it really is.
Yep, Heil fell on some great athletes at PS in 07 and again at Fairmont. But talent can only take you so far, you need a person to teach, coach, and mentor.
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Teach, coach and mentor....sounds good but it don't sound like Heil. 173herd, since you converse with him on the regular, ask him about the kid he pushed to go to Elon....and then when things didn't work out that way, how he blackballed him? How or better yet why would a coach, someone kids look up to, would tarnish kids name to other people all because of a college choice? That's the end game right..getting these kids into a college? Ask him that and watch his lips melt together.
I know first hand all about that and how it should work and how is actually works.
How it should work is parents pay for there kids to go to summer combines to get college coaches to look at them. That never happens because a lot (not all) parents think that just playing on Fridays is enough.
How it actually works is scouts will come to schools with a pedegree of athletes and winning seasons. They will scout players and offer scholarships. When you attend a school that doesn't have either going for them then the coach will use some of his lifelines with schools and coaches and let them know they have a kid that could play at the next level if given the chance. When the kid doesn't cut it, either by grades or not attending practice then who has the egg on there face? The player or the coach that used his lifeline? So that being said if I put myself out like that for a 18 year old MAN and he didn't hold up his end of the bargain then I would not support him again either.
How it should work is parents pay for there kids to go to summer combines to get college coaches to look at them. That never happens because a lot (not all) parents think that just playing on Fridays is enough.
How it actually works is scouts will come to schools with a pedegree of athletes and winning seasons. They will scout players and offer scholarships. When you attend a school that doesn't have either going for them then the coach will use some of his lifelines with schools and coaches and let them know they have a kid that could play at the next level if given the chance. When the kid doesn't cut it, either by grades or not attending practice then who has the egg on there face? The player or the coach that used his lifeline? So that being said if I put myself out like that for a 18 year old MAN and he didn't hold up his end of the bargain then I would not support him again either.
Really didn't know where you were going with that, so I kept reading trying to see if you knew what you were talking about....sadly you dont....at least not that instance. But besides all that...support isn't needed....nor was the backlash administered by the coach. Funny how karma comes back to bite you when you least expect it to. Now I was happy cause these "Cowgirls" just lost, but you waving the Heil pompoms is just a bit over the top.
The sad thing is many players that played for him in the 90s would have went into the wrong direction if he wasn't at PS. Now those from the 90s have kids on the team and the same coaching style that was good for them isn't good there kids playing now.
No, I don't have Pom poms, but I do have nothing but respect for him. Sadly, some parents don't teach that anymore!
No, I don't have Pom poms, but I do have nothing but respect for him. Sadly, some parents don't teach that anymore!
173herd let me clear this up for you then I'm gonna get off Heil. Pedigree or not, it was several offers on the table...this 18 year old MAN was forced to change his mind and attend another school. Now ANY concerned coach would naturally ASK that player what happened to cause the change? Did he? Nope....went straight into the smear campaign which was totally unfair and uncalled for. You may say oh, that was nothing...but that was a downlow, dirty deed to do that to a 18 year old MAN. Even went out his way to give the top award to a kid that QUIT the week before the 1st game of the season and left the team without a qb! Spiteful stuff 173herd, the stuff people don't forgot no matter how old you get. Now I'm done talking about him...waste of my energy.
Forced? I didn't know guns was allowed on school grounds. How can he FORCE him to do anything?
This sounds kinda personnel. So we worry about awards or is a scholarship award enough? If I was on a 3-7 team I wouldn't want any kind of award. The award that is wanted is a conference championship.
It must not be a waste, it's getting you worked up, you could turn your heater off there is enough coming off of you to heat 5 houses.
This sounds kinda personnel. So we worry about awards or is a scholarship award enough? If I was on a 3-7 team I wouldn't want any kind of award. The award that is wanted is a conference championship.
It must not be a waste, it's getting you worked up, you could turn your heater off there is enough coming off of you to heat 5 houses.
Funny guy....173herd. And to answer your question, yes, a 18 year old worries about awards just like the next guy or gal. Especially when you have been told since the 10th grade that your time is coming. ...what a load of bull. So your theory is if you are granted a scholarship, based off of your hardwork, we shouldn't worry about being recognized among your peers?? And the award was for ALL SPORTS, not football. ....and while you are fact checking, get the win/loss record right at least...you were close though. ..makes me think you really do have Heil on speed dial? And I said from my 1st post about him that it WAS personal, so that shouldn't be a surprise to you. P.S....I hope you aren't a coach because if you are cosigning him, that means you would treat kids like crap too. And PLEASE reread what I said...Heil didn't "force" anything. ..wasn't talking about him.
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173herd, let's stop with the guessing game and personal feelings for a moment and talk FACTS. Everyone down there knew that if your last name was "BROOKS" and you played football, that they had a guaranteed starting spot...REGARDLESS if another kid was better for the position. Ray Charles could see that and the folks got tired of the bs. As far as basketball goes, I like J.Sampson, but I know his demeanor is not a good fit for those kids there...he is TOO nice to a fault. Baseball....if you not from Pembroke the chances of you making varsity is tough. They have had a Maxton kid on the team, but it was the least they could do considering his folks had to shell out almost $3k to be apart of that World Series team you mentioned. PS athletic program COULD be one of the best..but instead it's the opposite because of personal agendas, the good olé boy network and plain olé stupidity.
Last name Brooks? You are correct. However, answer this where did I live growing up? Tiger knows the location. This guy didn't get anything by what name is on my birth certificate.
Oh yeah, if the baseball kid really wanted to play he would have figured out a way. His parents would have too. My mom raised 4 kids by herself on teachers salary while she worked at RB Dean. She also keep us in sports and other activities. So quit making excuses for people from one town over the other. Start making solutions! Get a fund drive going, I am sure the big dry cleaner king pin who wanted Heil gone would be more than happy to share out some bucks to help a kid out, go to bills place I am sure she will give up a couple of bucks, have a car wash, something......... If you want the kids to play they will, if you don't keep my excuses. Next you will tell me your cat has diabetes.....then your goldfish can't swim.
Oh yeah, if the baseball kid really wanted to play he would have figured out a way. His parents would have too. My mom raised 4 kids by herself on teachers salary while she worked at RB Dean. She also keep us in sports and other activities. So quit making excuses for people from one town over the other. Start making solutions! Get a fund drive going, I am sure the big dry cleaner king pin who wanted Heil gone would be more than happy to share out some bucks to help a kid out, go to bills place I am sure she will give up a couple of bucks, have a car wash, something......... If you want the kids to play they will, if you don't keep my excuses. Next you will tell me your cat has diabetes.....then your goldfish can't swim.
And please enlighten me...I didn't know McDougald advocated for his dismissal? What did he say? What was his gripe? Did it hold any water? Did he go public with it? Or this is just something you "heard" in the street? He probably will donate something now that Heil is gone..who knows? And when all this dough starts rolling in, what's it really going to? A specific sport or the general fund? Will it make the kids more athletic? Will it make the interest grow in the communities? Tell me, I would love to know...I got my checkbook out right now!
Just Jr.s Those players are in only one age group. In fact the BC pres. son didnt make that team because he was too, young.
Nope, don't play golf. Personally don't like have the patience. For a kid shining my shoes, nope have done that myself for 18+ years. Also, please don't say a kid a has to prove something to me before I will let them play. However, a kid must prove at during the season and off season. He or she must have the grades and maintain a adult attitude. The profession that I have had I have seen 18 and 19 yr old men come home in a box. So I don't have sympathy for a 18 yr old athlete who couldn't play because he wasn't the right color, had the right last name, or couldn't afford it. If you want my sympathy on that look in the dictionary it is between shit and syhpalis. As for dry cleaner/town advocate I was in the same room when he and others approached the principle new and said that the coach that was there was not playing kids from maxton because he is a racist.
Also, since you got the checkbook out. Be the first to start the program, For that same baseball team, my dad and I sponsored a kid that could not afford to go. Also, for the 2 girls fast pitch teams that went to Louisanna 2 yrs ago, my daughter was on one of those teams they did boot drives and went to different walmarts in different towns asking for donations. Funny, all the girls were able to go.
What I would do would be to raise money for the kids that live in 28364. Not the ones that have the zip code but go to Prospect or Oxendine. But for the ones that went to Townsend that are trying to get ahead in life. Not just athletes, but for your mathletes that are out there too. Open up your own account and keep it private or go public and let the town know what you are doing. There are many people that would like to see any and all kids succeed in life, and I am one of them, but when a kid does not want for themselves then I don't have room for them.
Done with going back and forth and giving you lessons that you should already know. If you want the kids to succeed then figure a way for them to succeed. If you don't want them to succeed then just keep bitching about the problem, it might get better.
Also, since you got the checkbook out. Be the first to start the program, For that same baseball team, my dad and I sponsored a kid that could not afford to go. Also, for the 2 girls fast pitch teams that went to Louisanna 2 yrs ago, my daughter was on one of those teams they did boot drives and went to different walmarts in different towns asking for donations. Funny, all the girls were able to go.
What I would do would be to raise money for the kids that live in 28364. Not the ones that have the zip code but go to Prospect or Oxendine. But for the ones that went to Townsend that are trying to get ahead in life. Not just athletes, but for your mathletes that are out there too. Open up your own account and keep it private or go public and let the town know what you are doing. There are many people that would like to see any and all kids succeed in life, and I am one of them, but when a kid does not want for themselves then I don't have room for them.
Done with going back and forth and giving you lessons that you should already know. If you want the kids to succeed then figure a way for them to succeed. If you don't want them to succeed then just keep bitching about the problem, it might get better.
B......ing about the problem?? Aren't YOU the one up here COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NEW COACH? AND HOW THE "OLD" ONE SHOULD STILL BE THERE?? THE PRINCIPAL DOESN'T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT SPORTS?? Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black! And who cares if you go back and forth with me, I engage in Intelligent conversations all the time about sports programs...and not some love/hate affair about a coach?
I'm passionate about bridging gaps in sports programs in order to make then better...and sometimes the TRUTH hurts. I personally never knew the former coach to treat one kid different because of his skin tone. Where McDougald got that I guess we will never know. What I do know is PS hasn't had a successfull run since FOREVER....and making a coaching change was necessary. As far as the other sports, hold those coaches accountable as well...either put up or shut up. For as much as we can talk about the baseball team, they are winning so you have to take that with a grain of salt and keep moving.
When PS was built, nobody responding on this message board had a say in the matter, whether to build it or not. Sure it was an opportunity for small town kids to compete on a higher level and more educational programs were established. But the harm that was done, which I think is what 173herd and I have argued about mostly, destroyed a culture that WAS positive within the communities. There wasn't all this gang banging, murders and dropouts like you see now. Back then, the "drug dealers" were some of the best athletes around! And they stayed in school! Some even changed their lives around behind athletics. Now the kids don't care...it's cool to be in a gang and sell drugs...all because there is no pride. And if they don't have pride in themselves, you know darn well they won't know what having school pride is all about. That's why PS has to recruit those SPECIAL coaches, the ones that can truly reach a kid and show him or her better options in life. Not a coach that has this old school prison mentality just because they had it rough growing up. That's why I call them special coaches...they are out there...they just need a chance....who knows, maybe Sherman will turn out to be one?
I'm passionate about bridging gaps in sports programs in order to make then better...and sometimes the TRUTH hurts. I personally never knew the former coach to treat one kid different because of his skin tone. Where McDougald got that I guess we will never know. What I do know is PS hasn't had a successfull run since FOREVER....and making a coaching change was necessary. As far as the other sports, hold those coaches accountable as well...either put up or shut up. For as much as we can talk about the baseball team, they are winning so you have to take that with a grain of salt and keep moving.
When PS was built, nobody responding on this message board had a say in the matter, whether to build it or not. Sure it was an opportunity for small town kids to compete on a higher level and more educational programs were established. But the harm that was done, which I think is what 173herd and I have argued about mostly, destroyed a culture that WAS positive within the communities. There wasn't all this gang banging, murders and dropouts like you see now. Back then, the "drug dealers" were some of the best athletes around! And they stayed in school! Some even changed their lives around behind athletics. Now the kids don't care...it's cool to be in a gang and sell drugs...all because there is no pride. And if they don't have pride in themselves, you know darn well they won't know what having school pride is all about. That's why PS has to recruit those SPECIAL coaches, the ones that can truly reach a kid and show him or her better options in life. Not a coach that has this old school prison mentality just because they had it rough growing up. That's why I call them special coaches...they are out there...they just need a chance....who knows, maybe Sherman will turn out to be one?
Pot this is kettle,
Agree we should be seeing a lot of firings in the Robesonian pretty soon. About me complaining, yea I have since March. However, I cannot change it so I guess I might just need to leave it alone. But, I will no complain about things I can change.
Good luck to ps athletics.
Agree we should be seeing a lot of firings in the Robesonian pretty soon. About me complaining, yea I have since March. However, I cannot change it so I guess I might just need to leave it alone. But, I will no complain about things I can change.
Good luck to ps athletics.
NONE of those guys that played in Washington are Sr. ALL are Jr. I know each one of them and see them almost everyday, my cuz being one of them. Yes, BC pres. son is a Jr. but had a late bday and was too, young to play, since the team was based on exact age.
At times but not eveyday. I diffently know Ethan, he's one of my buddies. Ritchie is my cuz, and I know McKinnley, Lucas, Matthias, all are real great kids.
I'll say this they(PS' McDonald) have the athletes in place to do it, so let's pray it'll happen.
