crestrulz said:

I think there are some folks who think we're bringing chopped liver to the banquet. That's just not the case. I'm going to say it. The disrespect is real.

Hickory is a good football team. They really are. I am not going to say otherwise. We'll need to be at our best.

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Yes you will. Hickory is a team that can play in a 1A mountain conf and still show up for the big boys in the playoffs. That’s what’s scary. Talk about strength of schedule, maybe but we’ll find out real soon.

I think there are some folks who think we're bringing chopped liver to the banquet. That's just not the case. I'm going to say it. The disrespect is real.

Hickory is a good football team. They really are. I am not going to say otherwise. We'll need to be at our best.

This is definitely drawing a bigger crowd and more hype than NL/Ashbrook. But rest assured they’ll be a butt in every square inch in the dungeon this Friday especially all the Lincoln co schools already out of it and curious Gaston co fans, and SP folks, GET THERE EARLY

ocdavis31 said:

You make some good points. I’d be interested in your thoughts on:

When charter schools were first sold to the public, one of those selling points was that charters would be “an incubator of innovative educational ideas and best practices”. The public was told that those ideas would be incorporated into traditional public school curriculum. Do you believe that is being done? Should DPI be required to determine which ideas work well and use those in the curriculum for traditional publics?

One criticism has been the double standard of charters not being required to accept every student, and providing meals and transportation. In order to fairly assess charters vs. traditionals, should that be changed? If not, doesn’t it follow that only parents who can provide meals and transportation truly have access to charters? Even if not racial segregation, is it not the socio-economic version?

It is certainly true that most parents want what’s best for their kids. But if “those who can get out, do”, isn’t it also true that eventually what is left are the poorer, often single parent kids who often have the most behavioral issues?

I am an unaffiliated voter who has never voted a straight ticket. But I see it as one party wanting for profit education instead of the constitutionally mandated educational availability for all. And, once again, it’s the messaging that the other party is against parental choice. Perhaps the true message should be that the state should do everything possible to make all three types of schools work instead of demonizing traditional public schools. There is room for all three types if those opportunities are more equal.

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There are several questions here and I'm going to try to answer some. But not all, I don't pretend to know the answer to all of these questions. The ones I will try to answer I'll give you my honest opinion, and you can take that for what it's worth.

When charter schools were first sold to the public, one of those selling points was that charters would be “an incubator of innovative educational ideas and best practices”. The public was told that those ideas would be incorporated into traditional public school curriculum. Do you believe that is being done? Should DPI be required to determine which ideas work well and use those in the curriculum for traditional publics?
I think the idea is that we can try different things and see what works and what doesn't. But mostly we should try to get away from the "one size fits all approach" that dominated public schools for a long time. Something that works in one place may not work in another. But generally I think the bureaucracy trying to figure this out is a doomed approach.

If not, doesn’t it follow that only parents who can provide meals and transportation truly have access to charters? Even if not racial segregation, is it not the socio-economic version?
Some parents are always going to care more than others and I don't think there's anything that can be done about that. The state can't make up that lack of parental effort and, even teachers who try very hard to do so will struggle. What I don't think we should do is punish parents who do try. That should be rewarded and we'll see if those sorts of incentives encourage other parents to try harder.

It is certainly true that most parents want what’s best for their kids. But if “those who can get out, do”, isn’t it also true that eventually what is left are the poorer, often single parent kids who often have the most behavioral issues?

Human behavior is complex, and we can't always tell what's going on with a kid psychologically, biologically or behaviorally. This is especially true during adolescence when hormones are doing a lot of work in those young bodies. We might have classes where we teach aspiring teachers about how to handle behavioral and emotional problems and what might be behind those, but we don't (or at least didn't when I was in school). Frankly, I'm not sure most teachers are equipped to deal with this and I don't know if schools are the right place, but this is what we've got.

Perhaps the true message should be that the state should do everything possible to make all three types of schools work instead of demonizing traditional public schools.

The state is not a neutral institution and never was. It makes all sorts of politically motivated decisions that favor one group over another. I'm in favor of limiting its influence over our society wherever possible (this is not easily done).

They look really good and will take turnovers, ball control and penalties to beat them

No doubt this is the game of the week. I was thinking about the RB for Hickory reminds me somewhat of Earle Campbell. Both with number 34 and same height at 5’ 11. I hate to miss this due to other obligations. But can’t wait hear the results.

FreedomAlum said:

You know, some of us went through the university education curriculum once upon a time. At App. St. every education major had to take "audiovisual instruction", which was a two-hour credit. In that class we were taught to have a hook in the wall behind the screen you pull down so that you can hook the screen to it and eliminate "the keystone effect".
There was a block of instruction on this, and we had to test on it as a competency in order to pass (I am not kidding in the slightest),
So, when the point is raised about how Charters can hire those who aren't certified, I can only respond:

I wish I could say that it was the only education class that was a waste of time, but it wasn't, it was only the worst example.
So, if charters want to hire a kid who had another math or history or English class in place of that then I'm completely in favor of that. The bureaucracy surrounding all of this was built up over time and can't be quickly reformed. But charters are popular because parents do want some choice. They don't want some indifferent public functionary telling them where their kid will go to school, even if the school is horrible and the teachers are just counting down the days until they can get their pension (I saw plenty of those in the brief time I was in the classroom).
I've said it before, but it bears repeating-I hope the Democrats make it a point to run against school reform and school choice in every election. I want them to go before parents and say, "we know best regarding your kids". Please carry on with that.

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You make some good points. I’d be interested in your thoughts on:

When charter schools were first sold to the public, one of those selling points was that charters would be “an incubator of innovative educational ideas and best practices”. The public was told that those ideas would be incorporated into traditional public school curriculum. Do you believe that is being done? Should DPI be required to determine which ideas work well and use those in the curriculum for traditional publics?

One criticism has been the double standard of charters not being required to accept every student, and providing meals and transportation. In order to fairly assess charters vs. traditionals, should that be changed? If not, doesn’t it follow that only parents who can provide meals and transportation truly have access to charters? Even if not racial segregation, is it not the socio-economic version?

It is certainly true that most parents want what’s best for their kids. But if “those who can get out, do”, isn’t it also true that eventually what is left are the poorer, often single parent kids who often have the most behavioral issues?

I am an unaffiliated voter who has never voted a straight ticket. But I see it as one party wanting for profit education instead of the constitutionally mandated educational availability for all. And, once again, it’s the messaging that the other party is against parental choice. Perhaps the true message should be that the state should do everything possible to make all three types of schools work instead of demonizing traditional public schools. There is room for all three types if those opportunities are more equal.

I’m not Crest but I’ve been saying it before this week that Crest can beat Hickory. It doesn’t matter how great your offense is, if you have trouble against the run you’re in jeopardy of losing at some point in the playoffs. Look at what just happened to Reidsville. The margin of Hickory’s wins doesn’t tell you what film does. Not only do they have trouble against the run but they struggle getting pressure. It’s really because they run a 3 man front and if you run a 3 man front on defense you need a dominant NG/DT which they do not have.
This game will come down to game planning, play calls, adjustments and mistakes.

With all of the hype and posting around this game I may consider making the drive instead of going down the street to see Robinson vs Dudley.

It's not that they can hire uncertified teachers, it's that they can and don't have to jump through the hoops the traditonal school systems do to hire uncertified teachers.

No one is saying we know whats best for your kids but the messaging is, that our schools should be good enough that parents don't feel they have to look elsewhere.

All this school choice stuff is doing is resegregating schools and lining pockets.

sbbbfan said:

Exactly. I have been trying to put my daughter on one for now 3 days. She did jump one up yesterday morning but things are just slow. Got mine with smoke stick and bow so don't care if I see anything. Squirrels are great entertainment

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No they aren’t!
Don’t you remember when you were young and three squirrels running through leaves made you think a herd of deer were coming?

Glad I got that off my chest…
Now old and usually see deer before I can hear them 😂😂😂

Hopefully she gets one in the near future. That’s the coolest thing seeing it on their faces when they succeed

Monroe's water boy runs a 4.3. They got speed everywhere. They were very physical up front and the QB has moves like Michael Vick. People keep mentioning Reidsville. Monroe would have beat the piss out of them. They are a very dangerous team and outside of being a Burns guy they were fun to watch. The key is penalties. If Monroe commits too many penalties that could kill momentum. They had a ton against us but still beat us bad.

wncbowhunter said:

They will be a run first team that is perfectly happy taking half a quarter to score. But they do have potential to strike quickly. I would not suggest kicking to 24 in any situation. He has more than 1 return for a td this year. As has been mentioned you will not be impressed looking at the green team in warm ups. They are not very big in stature. But they are very fundamental in there approach to every aspect of the game. If I see one major weakness it is their kicking game.
Even though I have very very limited knowledge of EW sounds like both teams are similar in a lot of ways. If I could get off work in time I wouldn’t mind seeing this one. But alas I am not going to go to that hole and set next to that river as cold as it will be Friday. .

Go Mountaineers

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Sounds a lot like EW.

You know, some of us went through the university education curriculum once upon a time. At App. St. every education major had to take "audiovisual instruction", which was a two-hour credit. In that class we were taught to have a hook in the wall behind the screen you pull down so that you can hook the screen to it and eliminate "the keystone effect".
There was a block of instruction on this, and we had to test on it as a competency in order to pass (I am not kidding in the slightest),
So, when the point is raised about how Charters can hire those who aren't certified, I can only respond:

I wish I could say that it was the only education class that was a waste of time, but it wasn't, it was only the worst example.
So, if charters want to hire a kid who had another math or history or English class in place of that then I'm completely in favor of that. The bureaucracy surrounding all of this was built up over time and can't be quickly reformed. But charters are popular because parents do want some choice. They don't want some indifferent public functionary telling them where their kid will go to school, even if the school is horrible and the teachers are just counting down the days until they can get their pension (I saw plenty of those in the brief time I was in the classroom).
I've said it before, but it bears repeating-I hope the Democrats make it a point to run against school reform and school choice in every election. I want them to go before parents and say, "we know best regarding your kids". Please carry on with that.

shutdownD24 said:

Congratulations to Crest and Shelby on getting those big wins. I will be pulling for both of you next week. I will probably be pulling up to the Crest/Hickory game next week. Congratulations to Burns on a great season also. Your future should be pretty good.

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Appreciate it. In some ways we outdid ourselves this year. The future is bright in Lawndale. This is a huge offseason..

crestrulz said:

I'm sick of this. Is there not one Hickory fan that isn't scared absolutely to death that will get on here and go back and forth. Or are you waiting on the outcome before coming on here?

We have questions that need answered.

1. Why is the kickoff @ 7pm?
2. Why do the gates open @ 6 for a 7pm kickoff
3. I hear the one fan that has testicles say they'll beat us by 14. They might. But, why do they think that?

There are a few more but those three will do.

We are not Statesville. Win or lose we will not go quietly. The Nation is coming. 6 time is coming.

We're going to LINE UP and SEE! That's all we can do.

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We got blew off the field after the first quarter with Monroe and had to go that whole week leading up without one fan on here. It sucked!!

We can best this or best that all we want but both teams are playing on Black Friday and that alone speaks volumes. Work has been slamming us this week so I have been way behind. If Crest can run the ball on Hickory they WILL be in this game and very well may win it. The team that can run the ball wins this game period. Forcing the air attack on either is flat out dangerous because they both will be going against speed in the secondary. Stober has been here before and Hamrick hasn't. The younger QB will have to make smart decisions if they get behind the chains. The atmosphere will be wild.

Happy thanksgiving from the Shelby Lion home to yours..

Well not the Crest fans, screw them: I hope their turkey is dry, their stuffing is like gravel and their cranberry sauce right out of the can, gives them the squirts....

Of course knowing them and their issues with teeth, they'll have to gum their giblet gravy..... Which cousin gets nominated to chew their food up and spit it in their mouths like a baby bird this season?

May your season be merry, but may the fleas of a thousand camels get lost in the waddles of your many chins..... Ya heathens

While the federal government plays a significant role in funding public education, the traditional vs. charter vs. private schools is a state issue.

In 2011, the Republican North Carolina legislature removed the cap of 100 charter schools in North Carolina (one per county). Since that time, the number of charter schools has more than doubled to 210. The number of charter students has also more than doubled.

About 29% of charter schools are owned or operated by for profit companies. The rate of low performance is about the same for traditional (32%) as for charters (33%). I pulled those numbers from a Google search. While I can’t personally vouch for the accuracy, I believe them to be true.

The issuance of vouchers for private schools was approved by the legislative Republican majority. Under the guise of “parental choice”, the legislature is determined to destroy traditional public schools in North Carolina. I’ll give them credit. They have become experts at messaging. They can sell us manure as long as they can convince us it tastes like good old American apple pie.

So, regardless of your political beliefs, if you don’t like the role charter schools play in high school athletics (or even academics), look no farther than the General Assembly. And that, like it or not, is due to one political party only.

DeBoer31 said:

The defense is better without question. Your offense is definitely worse without question. Besides the Xs and Os that changed drastically, the philosophy definitely changed too.
Part of the reason it appeared you had that trouble on defense was BECAUSE of how good the offense was. They scored quickly, often and pretty much whenever they wanted til that last game against Dudley.
Ya'll didn't hope you outscored people - you did outscore people.

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And to lose all that offensive talent and still playing Thanksgiving week , 2 plays away from undefeated regular season . All we heard was how down this Crest team would be , we will go to Hickory and give it the best shot we got , heck we may not need to show up according to everyone that’s not Crest
This team is not afraid of the moment , these kids have played in big games and packed stadiums , let’s roll the pigskin out and see what happens.
Is it Friday yet ?!!!!

Hon Dines said:

Left off strength of schedule Crest 73 Hickory 181

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Was Hickory in Shelby’s conference good grief

JKTigers0713champs said:

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AS WELL!

I won't be eating much tomorrow, trying to save room for some Bulldogs on Friday night. I heard they taste good this time of year 😋. LET'S GOOOO JK TIGERS 🐅!!!

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Better eat while you have a chance or you’re gonna be very hungry by Saturday 😀.

crestrulz said:

I really do not care what you said. I would like it if you go to the South Point game thread and discuss your game with nobody this week.

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Or he can go to the 3A Basketball page and hang out
He’s doing shoulder pad inventory and collection this week

ai1015 said:

You can go to YouTube and watch both of the playoff games they played. They run a similar offence to Erwin. They have good skills players and an ok QB. The QB has speed so Erwin will have to keep him contained. The defense is fast but on the smaller side especially the D Line. Erwin will be bigger upfront on offense. The O Line for WC is good size but tend to get beat by faster players but the QB makes up for that with speed. It's going to be a interesting game to say the least. This will probably be a 45-44 type game. I will take Erwin by 1

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Good to see you back on here. I check them out.

FreedomAlum said:

Apparently, Amore Connelly was a great football player in middle school as well. But if a kid wants to concentrate on one sport, that's their business as far as I'm concerned. I think there are five kids who play football on this team (I think). They all contributed this fall, and they all are doing what the team needs them to do now.

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I'm against making a kid specialize but if they only want to play 1 sport that's fine.