Shelby and Reidsville
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We could have zero and would still own you 3 to 1. They should call us the football capital of NC's DADDY. Say it with me DAD DEE.
If yall didn't beat those 2 rams team someone else would have. Those 2 teams were not good. The 07 team was best. And injuries on rams side kept that game closer than should be. And 6 turnovers in 05 gave shelby that 8 point win. I look at when teams are their best. Not the weakest. So its 1 and 1 for when teams are at their best.
Typical excuses on why the Rams lost.
In 2013 it was the Western Finals. If DADDY dont come to town and you get another Brevard or Mtn Heritage you squeak by and play a J.holmes or another team that hasn't been there an you would have 21. Well um well when you guys beat us in 2007 duh, we had 3 cheerleaders having a bad hair day and, our water didn't have enough ice in it....and, and and.
Most of you never give us any props. The 2013 and 2014 rams were good teams but not great.
I think those are solid wins. Win the rams do lose they lose to teams that make or win the state championship besides the 2010 and 2015 teams.
Lion Attack, I'm tired of reading this worn out thread ! How much farther are the fellas gonna kick this can down the road ? You bout ready to go fishing bro !
Tarheel fan1,
You shoulda known better than to start a thread with Shelby and Reidsville on the same one.. Since you're a Ram fan, you coulda at least put Reidsville first in the heading!
Tarheel fan1,
You shoulda known better than to start a thread with Shelby and Reidsville on the same one.. Since you're a Ram fan, you coulda at least put Reidsville first in the heading!
My intentions were to highlight 2 blue blood programs. But the thread didn’t go that way.
The thing is I do respect Reidsville. I gave props in this very thread. Then the post about us busing kids to avoid y'all,and admitted he did it to get the blood going. I will say it again. Reidsville deserves every accolade they get, and so do we. So I'm gonna chill and sing Kum ba yah.
After winning back-to-back 3-A titles in '69 and 70, Reidsville was moved to 4-A for two four-year stints (imagine that) ... Back in those days you had to win your conference to make the playoffs. There were some pretty big schools in Reidsville's conferences like Winston-Salem Parkland, West Forsyth, Greensboro Dudley and Greensboro Grimsley, but Reidsville held its own and actually made the 4-A playoffs in 1975. The Rams beat Ragsdale on the road, then traveled to Morganton Freedom and was eliminated.
Meanwhile, Shelby was playing in the Western Activities Association (made up of 2, 3 or 4 conferences) and won "state" titles in 1970, 72 and 76. Shelby counts those, god bless 'em.
The most members the WNCHSAA ever had was 42 and only three failed to win titles in some sport during the WNCHSAA existence.
Schools like Freedom, Pisgah, Brevard and many others didn't play in the renegade WNCHSAA although they were obviously in the western part of the state. I've never figured out why Shelby, Salisbury, Statesville, Hickory and the like opted to play in the smaller organization all those years?
Just some facts to add to this lively rehash of conversation that most thought had ended.
Meanwhile, Shelby was playing in the Western Activities Association (made up of 2, 3 or 4 conferences) and won "state" titles in 1970, 72 and 76. Shelby counts those, god bless 'em.
The most members the WNCHSAA ever had was 42 and only three failed to win titles in some sport during the WNCHSAA existence.
Schools like Freedom, Pisgah, Brevard and many others didn't play in the renegade WNCHSAA although they were obviously in the western part of the state. I've never figured out why Shelby, Salisbury, Statesville, Hickory and the like opted to play in the smaller organization all those years?
Just some facts to add to this lively rehash of conversation that most thought had ended.
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Not trying to belittle anything Shelby accomplished over the years. But Dynasty guy made me do it.
Everybody knows I have an affinity to schools that use the town names like this year's champs Shelby, Reidsville Tarboro and Murphy.
There were some great football teams back in the Western Association era, no doubt.
Everybody knows I have an affinity to schools that use the town names like this year's champs Shelby, Reidsville Tarboro and Murphy.
There were some great football teams back in the Western Association era, no doubt.
Oh man....its on now. 98 state champion.....er, sorry. The TRUEdynasty will be here shortly to lose his mind.
I thought the NCHSAA agreed those WNCHSAA titles were legit.....right 98??
Just replying to his post ... he wrote:
Could a Reidsville fan enlighten us all on this topic?
So I was just trying to answer his question.
I don't believe all 42 fielded football teams.
Can somebody enlighten me on that subject?
The original question from bralpa was about 70's 80's and 90's. You stopped at 75, while belittling us for claiming 3 titles. And belittling another school with "powerhouse" all the while not trying to. You also made light of the amount of teams there was in there. They were alot of those teams that won championships soon after coming into the "state"orginization.
Yes, they were positive. Including mine and yours. I didn't start reading and posting in here with any regularity until this fall. Probably 4 post since 2012. Not realizing the history with the poster you mentioned I thought he had asked a legitimate question, and when another certain poster posted about busing, I thought that was low key stupid. I responded to him. So I think the ignoring of stupidity is the best way for all. But its hard.
The WNCHSAA was formed Dec. 5, 1929. From 1913 to 1929, the state association "selected" teams for the elimination series as the playoffs were known at the time. Hickory was selected only once during the 1920's in spite of the fact they had 5 conf. championships and 4 undefeated regular seasons. The teams were selected according to region or "zone".
In 1913, that was a good idea because they selected teams from all over the state. These teams were selected on Oct. 15. In those days, the regular season was only half over. The playoffs or "elimination" series began Nov. 1. Hickory superintendent R.W. Carver was a huge sports fan and became so frustrated with Hickory being left out he decided to form his own association. At the time in 1929, there was also a short lived eastern high school athletic association. So Dr. Carver persuaded 15 schools in this area to join the WNCHS "activities association" not "athletic association".
The state was disappointed in losing 15 schools and the next year, 1930, they began having conference champions only in playoffs. Before the WNCHSAA, a team could be 9-0 and not make the playoffs where another team could be 0-9 and get in. When the Oct. 15, 1929 meeting was held for the elimination series and Hickory was again left out, Dr. Carver went to work and had the association formed in 6 weeks.
The original association had 2 conferences, South Piedmont and Western, which remained the same through 1953. In 1954, the 2 leagues which totaled about 14 teams each, were split into NWestern and SWestern, N. Piedmont, and S. Piedmont conferences. This remained the same until the association merged with the state association following the 1976-77 school year.
Almost all of the schools in the WNCHSAA fielded football teams during the time they were members. I believe the schools stayed in the organization because it was a better run organization and the conferences were aligned geographically and the travel was manageable. The Greensboro News and Observer in the 50's and 60's, the voice of N.C. high school football at the time, consistently ranked the teams of the WNCHSAA in their top 10 statewide. During those years the 40-45 schools playing in the WNCHSAA were part of 85-100 schools statewide in same size and same classification.
Thanks Cheerduck ... great history lesson ... Where did you get it?
I ran across some additional info about the Western Activities Association.
These were the football conferences in 1961 (total of 33 schools):
Northwestern
Hickory
Morganton
Lenoir
Marion
Valdese
Hudson
Wilkes Central
Taylorsville
Newton
Southwestern
Shelby
Rutherfordton
Lincolnton
Kings Mountain
Forest City
Belmont
Cherryville
Chase
North Piedmont
Mooresville
North Rowan
Monroe
Troutman
Davie County
East Rowan
Winecoff
Children’s Home of Winston-Salem
West Rowan
South Piedmont
Asheboro
Thomasville
Concord
Albemarle
Statesville
Kannapolis
South Rowan
I ran across some additional info about the Western Activities Association.
These were the football conferences in 1961 (total of 33 schools):
Northwestern
Hickory
Morganton
Lenoir
Marion
Valdese
Hudson
Wilkes Central
Taylorsville
Newton
Southwestern
Shelby
Rutherfordton
Lincolnton
Kings Mountain
Forest City
Belmont
Cherryville
Chase
North Piedmont
Mooresville
North Rowan
Monroe
Troutman
Davie County
East Rowan
Winecoff
Children’s Home of Winston-Salem
West Rowan
South Piedmont
Asheboro
Thomasville
Concord
Albemarle
Statesville
Kannapolis
South Rowan
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Without looking up a bunch of numbers and records. TGT said Reidsville won the State title in 1970. So we didn't win another one until 2002. I don't remember what happened in the 80s. When I started going to Reidsville games in the 90s. Teague took the job in the 1992 after Mark Barnes left.He had some good teams that decade. They won 3A conference titles and made the playoffs. His second year in 1993. Reidsville was ranked #1in 3A all year and went undefeated. But the way the playoffs worked back then. They went on the road in the 3rd round to West Brunswick and lost to finish 12-1 on the year. West Brunswick had won the 2A the year before. They would go in to defeat High Point Andrews in the 3A champion game in 93. Reidsville had another state championship caliber team in 1998. They went to South Columbus and upset the 12-0 Stallions in the second round. They following week they hosted the undeafeated and defending state champions Clinton. In maybe the most exciting game I ever saw at Reidsville. The Rams bested the Darkhorses. By one point. I think the score was 34-33. A missed PAT by Clinton late in the 4th quarter was the difference for Willie Parker and the Clinton faithful on Thanksgiving weekend. Reidsville hit the road to Tarboro for the Eastern Championship Final. It wasn't the Rams night and the Vikings moved on to the State championship game. Where they were defeated by good ole Shelby. In a few years Jimmy Teague got the train rolling and started his assault on the record books. With Titles from 2002 all the way to 2018. Go Rams Go !!!!!!!
Great post Cheerduck!
We can argue all day long about the legitimacy of titles in both associations. Logic tells me that, either there were two “state” champs during those years or there none, in the 3A classification. But the fact of the matter is that the current association (and posters from schools not in the WNCHSAA) will never recognize the titles that weren’t part of the NCHSAA. Doesn’t dissolve any of the pride those schools and cities take in the accomplishment. You don’t hear a lot of discussion these days about the eleven times that there were two NCAA football national champions, one determined by the AP and one by the coaches’ association. People accepted them both and the records reflect that today.
Some great programs came out of both of those groups. No one program can claim domination unless you skew the results by the time frame you measure. I’m just proud to be a fan of a program that has done well over a lot of years. Many others can make the same claim. That should be nough for any of us.
very well put....let's move on to another topic as we tip our hats...................................
I agree ... let's move on.
I'm on record from the last time this was a hot topic saying that "anytime a team wins the final game that an association (any association) allows they are state champions." I know I posted that several times then and I'll say it again here. You can't take anything away from the student-athletes who accomplished the maximum allowed.
I'm on record from the last time this was a hot topic saying that "anytime a team wins the final game that an association (any association) allows they are state champions." I know I posted that several times then and I'll say it again here. You can't take anything away from the student-athletes who accomplished the maximum allowed.
There is some interesting material in here I can use in the future. I'll book mark this thread. 
Now might be a good time to clear something up.
Why was 98/72 State Champion banned?
Here is my understanding.
The NCHSAA did not recognize all NC public high school championship titles fairly and consistently.
In their information to the press and others, they slanted the recognition to favor those teams that belonged to the NCHSAA before and after all came under one umbrella governing body in 1977, which just happened to keep the same NCHSAA name.
They ignored the fact that rival associations prevented a "true state wide" champion from existing.
Therefore, all titles should be deemed "state titles"....or none of them should.
For two years on correcting the matter, NCHSAA protocol was followed to the letter by 98/72. Only when NCHSAA directors chose to abandon their own instructions to settle the matter were other methods by 98/72 involved.
All this is documented.
In the frenzy to ban those involved, no one bothered to ask "why would they do this?".
Simple answer.
Bring attention to right a wrong and set the record straight....even if they risked a banning.
Instead of being roundly criticized, they should have been praised. This country has been built on such "civil disobedience". No one was hurt. And it was peaceful.
After a year away, I think they should be allowed back in and welcomed.
Plus it is more fun when they are around.
Why was 98/72 State Champion banned?
Here is my understanding.
The NCHSAA did not recognize all NC public high school championship titles fairly and consistently.
In their information to the press and others, they slanted the recognition to favor those teams that belonged to the NCHSAA before and after all came under one umbrella governing body in 1977, which just happened to keep the same NCHSAA name.
They ignored the fact that rival associations prevented a "true state wide" champion from existing.
Therefore, all titles should be deemed "state titles"....or none of them should.
For two years on correcting the matter, NCHSAA protocol was followed to the letter by 98/72. Only when NCHSAA directors chose to abandon their own instructions to settle the matter were other methods by 98/72 involved.
All this is documented.
In the frenzy to ban those involved, no one bothered to ask "why would they do this?".
Simple answer.
Bring attention to right a wrong and set the record straight....even if they risked a banning.
Instead of being roundly criticized, they should have been praised. This country has been built on such "civil disobedience". No one was hurt. And it was peaceful.
After a year away, I think they should be allowed back in and welcomed.
Plus it is more fun when they are around.
I agree with you, bro. I’m most definitely done. And, thanks for the fishing invite. I might have to take you up on that, I used to be a fishing fanatic. You’re obviously a true outdoorsman, though. It’s cold out there, man, and even colder out there on the lake. You have “leather hands”, you feel nothing. You can probably even drink a cold one while being out there, take a swig, and say, “It gets no better than this”, and it’s 15 degrees out there. Lion Attack is more of a tropical brotha. I do wear shorts year round, so maybe I could adjust.
As for Tarheel fan1, I love that guy, he’s calm, cool, and collected no matter what.
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I wanted to stay and watch you guys vs North. My girl friend was ready to go though. I had no real rooting interest, apart of me wanted North to win because they are a triad team and other part was rooting for you guys to show them what 2a ball was like.
We all should get together, and sing Christmas carols like The Whos in Whoville.
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Pretty sure the 3 headed monster is still around, circumventing the multiple bans received over the years for being an A-1 Jack hole.
You’ve spoken to the legendary “one” in this very thread.
Most of the material came from research a late friend of mine did in helping update and correct many scores across N.C and of course his passion for Hickory High's history. He helped update many scores and titles for the NCHSAA. When you think about it, during the 10's and 20's of the last century, there wasn't many schools playing football and we didn't have as many overseeing it as we do today. The Superintendents of Hickory and Concord had finally had enough and said let's do it and formed the WNCHSAA. Although many schools won Championships in various sports, there were always the few that had strong football traditions that keep them in the fore front up until consolidation in many instances.
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