Greensboro All Stars that's rich. When your school plays well talented kids tend to get pulled in to the excitement. The bulk of the team is natural district kids. Our conference has gone to hell outside of NWG and Grimsley. Ethan Albright (class of 1989) who attended Grimsley brought his kids back home from Page. The fact that He was in the NFL for 15 seasons and being the athletic director helps big time. Page in the 80's, now that was an all star team. I would guess Hough is doing loads of recruiting as well has 3 to 4 hundred more students!!!
Hough at Grimsley - 4th Round
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Have you met any of their fans? Because that is where you will find your answer!!!
Aggressive, rude, smug, entitled. 100% Unprovoked on my side.
The “holier than thou” attitude they have is nauseating.
The only team in this state that recruits better is UNC. Not that much of their big time talent is from their district. For example, they have a RB who “transferred” there from us. He lived in Olympic’s district.
Their coach then goes out there saying all he cares about is impacting lives. Must want to do that so much that he brings in kids from other schools to impact their lives too.
Gboro posters have complained about Grimsley getting players for a few years. The Charlotte posters have been complaining about Hough for a decade. Or basically since it opened.
This problem isn't just a Grimsley or Hough problem. This has been going on nationally for quite awhile. For example, I don't know about actual recruiting, but when Palmieri was at Mallard Creek with his powerful teams, MC always drew players. The same for Myers Park for a couple of years.
We can't forget about Dutch Fork in South Carolina coached by Tommy Knotts. The Silver Foxes hardly had any winning seasons until coach Knotts got there. He arrived at Dutch Fork in 2010. Since that time, the Silver Foxes have won over 100 games and have 6 state titles. In the six seasons before his arrival, Dutch Fork went 35-39.
Did the Irmo area all of sudden have great football players being raised and living in the area? Coach Knotts is a great coach. With no inside information, I can virtually guarantee, he's gotten some great players from moving into the district because he's coaching there.
In the private school arena in Charlotte, Providence Day is drawing players there. Yes, I know, the privates are a different matter, but still the principle is the same. Providence Day is a similar school to Country Day, Latin and Christian. Do any of you really think that Chad Grier has built that powerhouse over there, just because they have more students that are good football players?
In the Virginia High School League, the same thing is happening there. Kids are moving to take part in the best programs for the exposure.
Many of you have perhaps known about Martinsburg High School in Martinsburg, WV. Martinsburg has a population of around 19,000. It's the sixth largest municipality in the state. I used to live up there in Hagerstown, MD (Martinsburg is part of the Martinsburg/Hagerstown statistical area). The high school has an enrollment of roughly 1,450 students. I've been familiar with some of what had been going on up there as well. Does anyone really think with the city's population and the school's enrollment that Martinsburg has won 9 state football championships with just home grown talent attending their neighborhood school? Especially since Martinsburg isn't the only school in Martinsburg. Spring Mills High School, in Martinsburg, went 4-6 this season and Martinsburg beat them 63-0.
The state of Florida has open enrollment for athletics throughout the state.
Forsyth county here has open enrollment. Yes, Coach Willert is a very good coach, but I'm sure EF has received benefit from open enrollment there.
People accuse Charlotte Catholic and Cardinal Gibbons of recruiting. People talk about Hough and Grimsley getting players from other schools.
The state of Georgia has restricted open enrollment for public schools. Parents can send their kids to any public school within their school district, as long as the school has room. In some cases, parents can send their kids to any school outside of their district. Does Buford High School have 100% live in district, home grown talent?
I think it's beyond time to stop thinking that every school, and I don't care where in this state or nation we're talking about, always does well with 100% home grown, live in district talent. They may have to live in district, but less and less are home grown in the district.
Let's stop expressing shock that some good to great teams are drawing talent from other districts and areas. If you think it's bad here, take a look at St. John Bosco or Mater Dei in California. Or take a look at IMG Academy in Florida or St. Frances Academy in Maryland.
Football, even in high school, is big business now. This is especially true when you consider that football scholarships may be some players only way to get to college, and/or parents pushing or leading their kids into sports specialization.
Let's not forget about NIL. The Richmond Times-Dispatch had an article about how some players are marketing themselves with QR codes https://richmond.com/sports/high-sc...cle_ccc4c44c-1788-50cb-8a3a-818adea99652.html. Let's stop expressing shock. It's not a Hough or Grimsley thing. It's everywhere!
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I definitely get it. Even here in Davidson County people transfer from East Davidson to Oak Grove and from Lexington to North Davidson the last few years and people are complaining about it. The North coach had to sit the first four games for it, though I think it was an out of county player whose paperwork wasn't right in that case.
I think the term ‘recruiting’ implies coaches are knocking on kids doors and although that may be the case sometimes, my experience tells me otherwise. I have been fortunate to have a close inside look at both the programs at Grimsley and Reidsville for the past 30 years.
Football programs are like a business: good management, good facilities and a good product brings good customers. Family and friends of quality players look for the best athletic programs for the kids, just like parents look for the best academic programs for their teenagers in public and private schools. It’s a free market and over regulation could be viewed as ‘socialism’. LOL!
Good programs attract good players and if you want to label having a solid program as ‘recruitment’, then I think you do many hardworking, ethical coaches a disservice. Don’t make it sound like Calipari and Worldwide West are knocking on players doors, although I am sure it does happen occasionally. Just haven’t seen it in programs personally.
Coaches and fans aren’t happy when quality players transfer. Then next you hear at the barber shop or cafe is that somebody ‘stole’ one of our players. Overspeculation, IMO.
Football programs are like a business: good management, good facilities and a good product brings good customers. Family and friends of quality players look for the best athletic programs for the kids, just like parents look for the best academic programs for their teenagers in public and private schools. It’s a free market and over regulation could be viewed as ‘socialism’. LOL!
Good programs attract good players and if you want to label having a solid program as ‘recruitment’, then I think you do many hardworking, ethical coaches a disservice. Don’t make it sound like Calipari and Worldwide West are knocking on players doors, although I am sure it does happen occasionally. Just haven’t seen it in programs personally.
Coaches and fans aren’t happy when quality players transfer. Then next you hear at the barber shop or cafe is that somebody ‘stole’ one of our players. Overspeculation, IMO.
Wow. This is getting interesting. And more hilarious.
There are Knotts disciples that post on this board that passionately defend him as never approaching a true recruiting scandal in assembling a Charlotte all star team at Indy.
And there are other posters that just as passionately claim Hough has recently stolen Mallard Creels players away.
Meanwhile Chambers best running back who lead them to the Sate Finals last year, upon direction attempts to go back home to West Charlotte and ends up missing the season.
We would like to hear comments from those supporters.
Knott so.. Knotts turned Dutch Fork around his first year there. Nothing to do with recruiting. Before he got there they had back to back losing records.
Mr,Honda! Please don’t compare what Tommy Knotts & Mike Palmeri did with their programs to Hough. It couldn’t be a bigger insult. Not in the same stratosphere. There is absolutely no comparison.
Do you recall, or did you know, that the Charlotte-Mecklenburg School System spent well over $100,000 on lawyers and investigators for several months trying to prove that Coach Knotts had done ANYTHING illegal or unethecal, and the result of that investigation was ZERO. I honestly believe that given a couple of years, he could produce a winner at Garinger, which would be almost humanly impossible.
So far as being a "Charlotte All Star Team", it's pretty well known that while at Independence Knotts had one out of Independence district player, who was at Independence because an advanced academic program that he was eligible for was not offered at East Mecklenburg. He was a big time player, and not a scrub, but he was perfectly legal.
All Knotts recruited was some really great assistant coaches.
Please actually read the whole comment and think about what it is about before posting a knee jerk reaction. I’m not accusing anyone of recruiting. I only mentioned the word “recruiting” because others have used the term. The point of my comment was that everywhere players change schools, whether it’s for the successful program, the coach or whatever reason. I mentioned coach Knotts not in the context of recruiting but in the context of players changing schools to play for a great coach. The same holds true for coach Palmieri. Others have accused Hough, Grimsley, Charlotte Catholic and Cardinal Gibbons of recruiting. My comment may be hilarious to some, but true. Again please read and think about what the comment is actually about rather than pick out one part and give a knee jerk reaction based on what you think it says.
The difference, kids started coming to Creek after the State Championships.Not a lot of traffic before
We never said the guy can’t coach. He’s great.
The fact Indy never won before he got there, and hasn’t won since, to us echos the comments about Dutch Fork.
CMS and the city used Indy as the poster child for Charlotte growth and success during that seven year run. It was promoted as a regional phenomenon.
Do you really think they would come to admit that it was built with ineligible players?
Wake up.
There is a new sheriff in town and looking the other way is gone….except at Hough according to some.
We basically agree with you.
The hilarity is in the guys on here all pointing the fingers and saying “not me, you did it”.
Bottom line, the coaches are probably not the ones doing the talking to get talent to move in. Its 99% of the time the players and/or parents that do it.
Then all it usually takes is a quick move or a loop in the academic programing.
Is it still recruiting? Yes.. is it illegal? No.. not unless you have some crazy stuff like falsified addresses or a coach renting an apartment or house for multiple players to live in. (which I've heard of this type of stuff happening in the past, at a few schools I won't name.)
Then all it usually takes is a quick move or a loop in the academic programing.
Is it still recruiting? Yes.. is it illegal? No.. not unless you have some crazy stuff like falsified addresses or a coach renting an apartment or house for multiple players to live in. (which I've heard of this type of stuff happening in the past, at a few schools I won't name.)
Now that is a provocative statement and both teams have been accused of "resembling" that remark. If they are truly recruiting, both teams have been extremely effective as neither has been put on probation, forfeited games or had seasons and accomplishments vacated retroactively...yet, unlike a few other schools. Nonetheless, there is going to be a lot of D1 talent running around on the field Friday night.
Not a Knotts disciple but absolute respect for the man. Did he draw talent to his area? Absolutely. However, it didn't hurt that they were the biggest school in the state for a number of years and their district has since been carved into Mallard Creek, Butler and Rocky River. Something in the water on the east side of Mecklenburg county perhaps?
This is bad logic and vague/contradicting your point at best. Knotts record and the rosters speak for themselves. You can go check them.
Whether its Harding, West Charlotte, Indy, or DF.. Knotts has taken the same roster of losing personel in one season and drive them to a championship or at least the regional finals.
Little off-topic, but also on-topic. Hough has a transfer from Page on their defense, to maybe that gives them a little more of an advantage on defense.
Knotts first state championship at Independence had quite a few sophomore starters, including the QB. That sounds like coaching, and not recruiting.
We were saying the same at the East game. He was serviceable but not a game changer I would sat.
Some are, some are not. May I refer you to the first few paragraphs of your Post #49? On second thought, you may want to reread all of it.
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I must say I think you're being hypocritical. Maybe you don't know "I know what it says" as well as you think you do. You did, in fact, use the word recruiting.
And even if you had not used the word itself, it's pretty obvious what you were talking about. Your comments sound like "do as I say, not as I do", kind of a "hit and run job".
And if you resent a post of a few words about something you don't feel is appropriate, I might add that IMO you could have cut out at least 90% of the words in Post #49, and better accomplished your objective. You didn't even use footnotes and a bibliography to back up your thesis.
App says 0% chance of rain from 7p on. Anybody got any recommendations near Grimsley to grab a bite to eat before the game?
