Once again, the NCHSAA thread here,
Regional Finals Playoff Notes (NCHSAA), severely understated the longer term performance of the Golden Lions.
Shelby in 15 of last 19 Regional Finals
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That's great and congrats....and I know you don't want to know it...but Reidsville has been in 14 Regional finals since 2003....
rambbq, that's an awesome stat too. I as one Lion fan do not begrudge Reidsville of what they have accomplished.
"When you're good at something, you'll tell everyone. When you're great at something, they'll tell you."
- Walter Payton
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Is that why Shelby has never gone and gotten themselves named the “Capitol (sic)” of NC high school football, even though they surpass the town that did?
Yes. It is for objective others to decide. We agree.
Around here Shelby is the “Gold Standard”
If you think you have a good or even great team .... go beat Shelby .... that’s the measuring stick for greatness
If you think you have a good or even great team .... go beat Shelby .... that’s the measuring stick for greatness
The YOUNG MOUNTIES have beaten THE MIGHTY GOLDEN LIONS 2 out of the last 3 YEARS.
No wonder there is such a need to polish that Golden Lion ALL the time. "2 out 3" that's 66.66666% of the time. What say you 2nd to None. Mounties own you.
So…..
Shelby versus Kings Mountain
74-20-7 All Time.
And don’t come back until you have a ring.
Shelby versus Kings Mountain
74-20-7 All Time.
And don’t come back until you have a ring.
Odd Numbers 19 Regional Finals Since 2003. I think I will rewrite this for you. I think you know you have been caught. Your other post can be picked apart also. What has 2nd to None done here? 2nd? I will save a little space. Who finds it odd that 2nd uses the year 2003 to start Shelby's run of 19 (another odd one) regional finals. Short Story: In 2002 Reidsville was the 2AA State Champion. So if rambbq is accurate (no one has refuted) Reidsville has won 15 regional finals since 2002. In 2002 Shelby only made it thru 2 rounds of the playoffs, not making it to the regional finals. So in 20 years Shelby and Reidsville have both made it to the regional finals 15 times. I guess 2002 did not fit the narrative.
We all know that’s the reason that was the year picked lol
Huh?
We will need a minute to decipher that.
Meanwhile, check Reidsville’s Championship games and Titles from 1971 to 2001.
31 consecutive years.
See if that fits the narrative?
Then hit us back.
Ok go back to 1820 then and see what you find. We will all wait. Including teams that aren’t in the argument
Well uhhh……sorta kinda…..yep!….fits the narrative.
What did you find out? Is it true?
Got you didn't I!!!!! That is just one little twisted reasoning I have seen. There are others. I will be looking at that 1971-2001, A have already noticed one thing about that. Not quite as glaring as my previous "Got Cha".
2nd To None said:
Huh?
We will need a minute to decipher that.
Meanwhile, check Reidsville’s Championship games and Titles from 1971 to 2001.
31 consecutive years.
See if that fits the narrative?
Then hit us back.
2nd, could you help me. I am so glad you had me take a look at that. If you can tell me which years in that period Shelby played 3a and which years 2a it would be helpful. You might want to say "Ah, just forget about it", but I won't. You know what they say "be careful don't step in anything". HeHe. I know what you're thinking "ain't nothing there, I've looked at and looked at it". I have too!!!! I have looked at that before tonight. Every time someone post something, that looks like fact, I question it. I might add I love that word "narrative". You certainly have one. It is blown up into a tight balloon, I have a pin. Spin Doctors are not real doctors. I don't always agree with their diagnosis.
Huh?
We will need a minute to decipher that.
Meanwhile, check Reidsville’s Championship games and Titles from 1971 to 2001.
31 consecutive years.
See if that fits the narrative?
Then hit us back.
2nd, could you help me. I am so glad you had me take a look at that. If you can tell me which years in that period Shelby played 3a and which years 2a it would be helpful. You might want to say "Ah, just forget about it", but I won't. You know what they say "be careful don't step in anything". HeHe. I know what you're thinking "ain't nothing there, I've looked at and looked at it". I have too!!!! I have looked at that before tonight. Every time someone post something, that looks like fact, I question it. I might add I love that word "narrative". You certainly have one. It is blown up into a tight balloon, I have a pin. Spin Doctors are not real doctors. I don't always agree with their diagnosis.
Everyone be patient. If you notice 2nd said "We will need a minute to decipher that." We.
I am a "me" not a "We". Makes me think I am going up against the "Shelby is the Greatest Committee".
I will wait for them, or we or they, or whomever in this new age of pronouns is, to come up with the requested info. If they ,we or whatever don't have it, I have another of their balloons I can pop.
I am a "me" not a "We". Makes me think I am going up against the "Shelby is the Greatest Committee".
I will wait for them, or we or they, or whomever in this new age of pronouns is, to come up with the requested info. If they ,we or whatever don't have it, I have another of their balloons I can pop.
Hate to disappoint you, but you could not be any more mistaken.
Reidsville was never even considered in our original post. And it was actually brought up by others.
The NCHSAA “Regional Finals Playoff Notes” , as noted at the top of the thread, mentioned Shelby appearing in 8 of the last nine Regional finals. We noted that a little more research would have uncovered the remarkable run since 2003.
The reason we picked 2003 is that it marked Shelby’s return to the Regional Final for the first time since the 1997-1998 back to back, a four year absence.
Reidsville had nothing to do with it.
Since then, Shelby has only missed in 08,09. 12, and 2020.
Hate to bust your balloon. Especially since you got so excited.
Hmmm, actually I am better than I thought!!!!!!!!!!! (Not better off- Better.) We will continue this tomorrow evening. It will be hard to sleep while grinning, I will give it a go.
One more thing: Who is this committee?
"our original"
"we noted"
"we picked"
These are all plural. I thought 2nd to none was one individual. I was half joking about going against the "Shelby is the Greatest Committee". I thought with you being so new to the forum (your join date Nov 23,2021) you would be a cupcake. You know we like cupcakes here in Reidsville. Since you are a Committee my seniority may not be the trump card I thought (my join date Nov 21, 2021). Might hurt my rpi. Of course I don't think your lower win % here will count my victories over you when calculating head to head competition. You will however benefit from having a highly rated opponent like me even in losing. Goodnight
"our original"
"we noted"
"we picked"
These are all plural. I thought 2nd to none was one individual. I was half joking about going against the "Shelby is the Greatest Committee". I thought with you being so new to the forum (your join date Nov 23,2021) you would be a cupcake. You know we like cupcakes here in Reidsville. Since you are a Committee my seniority may not be the trump card I thought (my join date Nov 21, 2021). Might hurt my rpi. Of course I don't think your lower win % here will count my victories over you when calculating head to head competition. You will however benefit from having a highly rated opponent like me even in losing. Goodnight
Bring it.
But do us a favor and check in with your other Reidsville posters here.
We have already extensively covered most any comparison topic you may choose to discuss.
No need for us to disarm just you again, if it has already been done before.
But, on second thought, keep em coming.
It keeps this thread up as an ongoing topic on the board.
We learned that trick play from you guys.
How is it that when something like this is accomplished in the east, it's because the east is weak, but the same run happens in the west, it's because that particular team is just that great? If it's nobody but Shelby in the west, seems to me like the rest of the west is just a 🧁. I don't really believe that, but the west folks really believe that about the east since there is really one dominant team. 🙄
We, us, they, them. Sounds like a pronouns thing... Are "we" binary or gender fluid? Is that what is happening right now?
😉 good to see you back TD
😉 good to see you back TD
Good luck against that guy. He is known in these parts as Mr. Shelby High football. More knowledgeable on the subject than an encyclopedia.
based on the title games and out of conference match ups in the last 15-20 years, the east hasn't provided any strong evidence.
That is actually a very good question.
Here are our thoughts.
The perception of the weak 2A East has a lot to do with the fact that, of the last 20 Champions in 2A and 2AA (10 years), only 4 have come out of the East.
Prior to that, the 18 Champions from 2010 back to 2002 when subdivisions started with 2A and 2AA (9 years), 10 of the Champs were from the East, and Reidsville got 5 of them.
Reidsville has only won the Championship coming out of the West three times, in 16, 18, and 19, all in 2A.
Those three years just happen to coincide with three years the Shelby Golden Lions were Champions from the West in 2AA.
Those Shelby teams were absolutely dominant, winning the three title games by an average of 28 points.
Especially after last Friday’s game, and a 4-1 overall lead head to head, is there any real doubt that, without subdivisions, Reidsville would have at least three less Championships and only lead the Golden Lions by one (1) all-time ? And the next one may be in play now?
Reidsville has benefitted enormously from subdivisions and rival associations they did not have to play. We have been over this before.
And they were absent for 31 recent consecutive years from title games and titles.
We do not begrudge them at all for earning those Championships. We acknowledge them and respect them, just as we respect WRH, Tarboro, Clinton, SWO and other Champs from the East. Much to be proud of.
But Reidsville is not the “capitol (sic)” of anything.
That is a bogus, self proclamation that does not hold up to scrutiny
I have a question. And this may be annoying to look up but how many former WNCHSAA members have gone on to win state titles? I know my school isn't one. We have been to plenty of Regionals but unfortunately the NCHSAA title has eluded us outside of the 66 Area title.
Outside of Shelby, Salisbury and Hickory come to mind. Also Lexington and Thomasville of course. Oh, Albemarle.
Outside of Shelby, Salisbury and Hickory come to mind. Also Lexington and Thomasville of course. Oh, Albemarle.
The 16 and 19 reidsville teams were really good. 18 was a young team but no slouch
Former WNCHSAA members have gone on to often dominate in titles since the merger in 1977.
The ones you mention, plus Crest, West Rowan, Belmont South Point and others.
That is why it is such a crime for the current NCHSAA to purposely diminish those programs and titles won in the WNCHSAA as somehow “less” and therefore not included in Titles summaries given to the media.
During the 46 years from 1930 to 1976 that the rival associations existed, the Champions of each never played each other. How do we know who was best?
In 1963, Reidsville lost in the regular season to WNCHSSAA member Thomasville, yet won the NCHSAA title that they claim as one of their 22, and correctly so.
Thomasville failed to qualify for the WNCHSAA playoffs that year, ultimately won by Asheboro over Shelby.
Guess whose title is recognized and whose is not?
Either they are both Champs, or neither are.
You can’t have it both ways.
Some may try to challenge that example as the NCHSAA went through a period of “regional” playoff play, but none the less, the NCHSAA has the formal position that only titles won under their banner at the time are the only true State Champs, despite the rival association full of as many as 40 programs, many as proven winners in the Piedmont of NC THAT THEY DID NOT PLAY.
During Reidsville's run of 5 consecutive title games, some folks swore 2AA was the tougher road than 2A.
My question is this... of the final 8 teams in 2A this year, who would be considered 2A and who would be considered 2AA?
By my uneducated view, and by that I mean Im not taking the time to look it up, looks like more small 2A teams were represented than the larger 2A (formally 2AA) this year (Reidsville, East Surry, WRH, Northeastern, Princeton, Shelby were all small 2A or 1A in the spring).
Based on this, one could say that the tougher division was really 2A during the last few seasons, since all these weak 2A teams were still standing after all the strong 2AA teams fell.
But now that I think about it... I think the subdivisions were created by NCPreps to help drive up traffic with all the debating of who is the better team that has gone on for 20 years.
My question is this... of the final 8 teams in 2A this year, who would be considered 2A and who would be considered 2AA?
By my uneducated view, and by that I mean Im not taking the time to look it up, looks like more small 2A teams were represented than the larger 2A (formally 2AA) this year (Reidsville, East Surry, WRH, Northeastern, Princeton, Shelby were all small 2A or 1A in the spring).
Based on this, one could say that the tougher division was really 2A during the last few seasons, since all these weak 2A teams were still standing after all the strong 2AA teams fell.
But now that I think about it... I think the subdivisions were created by NCPreps to help drive up traffic with all the debating of who is the better team that has gone on for 20 years.
I am not sure why the subdivisions were created, but it probably did address some of the concerns that the smaller schools did not have sufficient manpower to play against a school with 400-600 more students. Anyway, in 2003 South Point (15-1) won the state 3A title with one of their best teams ever. Crest (12-3) won the 3AA championship that year. However, since SP beat Crest during the regular season we have always joked that the 3AA title is ours as well as that is the one rare occasion when the lower team took both 3A/3AA championships. South Point was in the Big South and Crest was in the Northwest.
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We will always wonder. One year proves nothing. 2AA teams from the last few years may dominate next year. Also there is the issue of classification changes which muddies the issue further. We can debate all we want but in truth there is no right answer.
Who is Mr. Shelby High Football?
How did they become Mr Shelby high Football?
Was it a self proclaimed title like whatchacallit says the Football Capital of the World thing was with Reidsville?
Where has Mr Shelby High Football been since 1971.. Was he appointed? voted in at the Supper Club ?
What if I wanted to appoint SHSLION as Mr Shelby High, would that go to a vote? A street fight in the student parking lot? He is knowledgeable as any..... Plus he is old which helps I reckon
How did they become Mr Shelby high Football?
Was it a self proclaimed title like whatchacallit says the Football Capital of the World thing was with Reidsville?
Where has Mr Shelby High Football been since 1971.. Was he appointed? voted in at the Supper Club ?
What if I wanted to appoint SHSLION as Mr Shelby High, would that go to a vote? A street fight in the student parking lot? He is knowledgeable as any..... Plus he is old which helps I reckon
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My brother, Frank. Hope all has been well with you.
Is this a riddle lol, got me thinking to much manWho is Mr. Shelby High Football?
How did they become Mr Shelby high Football?
Was it a self proclaimed title like whatchacallit says the Football Capital of the World thing was with Reidsville?
Where has Mr Shelby High Football been since 1971.. Was he appointed? voted in at the Supper Club ?
What if I wanted to appoint SHSLION as Mr Shelby High, would that go to a vote? A street fight in the student parking lot? He is knowledgeable as any..... Plus he is old which helps I reckon
Shelby Lion, I wouldn't talk so much about SHSLION being old. One day you too shall be old as well.Who is Mr. Shelby High Football?
How did they become Mr Shelby high Football?
Was it a self proclaimed title like whatchacallit says the Football Capital of the World thing was with Reidsville?
Where has Mr Shelby High Football been since 1971.. Was he appointed? voted in at the Supper Club ?
What if I wanted to appoint SHSLION as Mr Shelby High, would that go to a vote? A street fight in the student parking lot? He is knowledgeable as any..... Plus he is old which helps I reckon
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