1A Is Henderson Collegiate a public school?
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I know am switching gears here a little bit but Nick Saban made a good point about kids switching high schools. He said if a high school player is transferring to 2/3 high schools and he stated "I don't want them....they don't want to overcome adversity". I have seen many instances over the years where parents/student athletes always think the grass is greener on the other side instead of just staying where they are at and being patient. Just my opinion and I know everyone has one.
The difference is they aren’t in the NCHSAA. I think they basically play as an independent.
I'm not anything...Just trying to get you to see another viewpoint other than all charters cheat and have advantages, etc. Most charters do terribly in sports. Only a few do anything. I'm sure most do not have a problem playing WSP in baseball, football, tennis, etc. Why all of a sudden do you have a problem when they have success in basketball? Like traditional schools, kids/parents want to attend a school that gives them an advantage with colleges. For example, Mallard Creek is a football school and a girls basketball school. You don't think kids/parents attend MC for football in hopes it helps with college? But their basketball, baseball, other sports are not that good. Same anywhere you go, man. North Meck is a basketball school...Hopewell loses kids every year because they want to play at North...I could keep going but for some reason its a charter problem? Mitchell is a football school and look at their basketball. So to think parents don't send their "basketball" kid to play for a WS Prep over a North Forsyth or Reagan or Walkertown is stupid. With their tradition of basketball and sending kids to college, I would send my son there.
You said exactly what I was trying to communicate. You probably said it better. You can't quantify talent by class. If schools change classes because of enrollment those athletes talent levels don't vacillate because of the class change too.
The numbers show exactly whats going on. Think what you want. I respect the Charter fans that admit they have an advantage.
Yet he processes kids every year and forces them to transfer out.
As one who played for a traditional 1A in high school, including a line of family members dating back to the 80s, the system has been shredded with allowing the likes of the charters, preps, etc... I have nothing against these schools, but I miss the true traditional 1A traditional playoff contests and competition. I do agree with how the numbers play out as far as nothing having these schools included. Never played the likes of Thomasville, Albermarle, etc.., but many have had to deal with the matters of Wallace Rose Hill, Bath, Belhaven, Robbinsville in the West etc...(football and basketball)
My suggestions would be to keep 1A-4A, but create a sub-playoff bracket that would specifically be designed for charters, preps, etc...
My suggestions would be to keep 1A-4A, but create a sub-playoff bracket that would specifically be designed for charters, preps, etc...
What do you mean brother? Mitchell County is a county high school lol. Hope you're handling the "L" you took tonight well...
This is unusual for me but, I am going to defend BK. I will admit that sometimes he goes over the top(mind-numbing, berserk, beats a dead horse etc...). In this case, he is right, through no fault of the schools the NCHSAA has provided them with an advantage. Do you really think that the domination we are seeing in all sports, with the exception of football, is just a coincidence? No. You even identified and admitted the problem. You spoke of parents wanting to send their children where they could have the most success. You seem to be the jealous one as you must have a child at a charter school and you feel others are critizing your decisions or not giving his school full credit.
It is just so much easier for them to turn and look the other way rather than deal with the situation at hand. I'm sure many other people feel the same way.
The problem is parents send their kids to traditional schools just as much as they do charters I promise. If you are lucky enough to get in the lottery of a charter then you can attend. It is way easier for a kid to get into traditional schools than charters...I just get sick of the recruiting BS that goes on here when the rules of recruiting, etc. were established before charters even came around.
It sure is amazing at all the great athletes that win this so called “lottery”... blow that smoke up someone else’s hiney!
What does that matter? Charters, private,parochial schools have an advantage over public schools especially at the 1A level. Be a man and admit it. My kids went to one and if coaches want to recruit they can.
Do your research on Charters and the lottery. Its governed by LAW. The schools have nothing to do with it...WSP is not a charter...it is a part of Winston Salem Schools under traditional schools.. They are different as all of Wake is OPEN ENROLLMENT...Charters ARE NOT!!
If the coach wants to recruit or if they do then they should be fired and school investigated...Be a man and say what school that was
There is no difference in 1A and 4A talent, but it's a difference when a traditional public school have to compete with players within their district, but a charter can pull kids from within a 30 miles radius which makes it unfair to a traditional public school because within that 30 mile radius there can be all sizes of classifications for those students to attend, but we all know the charter schools compete in the lowest classification. We all know talent is talent, but you know what we saying here. Just admit you support charter schools.
How many public schools are given the opportunity to pull students within a 30 mile radius of their school. If nothing else why can't the 1A schools have the same rule as the charter schools is all I'm saying then maybe you will see a huge drop off with the charter schools winning all these state championships (basketball, volleyball, tennis, golf, cross country, etc). Certain kids do specialize and plus a lot the charter schools of non football playing schools.
The lottery is done by the charter school not the nchsaa.
I know what WSP is! Is that 30 miles by GPS or actual road miles? Because I guarantee you, besides Rosman being clearly out of range, you could put together some great teams if we started a charter in the middle of the other 5 schools! Lol
25 mile radius ‘as measured by an NCHSAA designated computer program.’
https://www.nchsaa.org/sites/default/files/attachments/Eligibility.pdf
Maybe when Andrews gets shut down by the County it’ll reopen as a charter. Pretty central to pull kids from about 5 NC counties within 25 miles.
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Yea right! Try it and see. Andrews, which was the best team of dunkers god ever created, was the team to beat maybe even state champions at the beginning of year. They lost to a very, very, very below, below average Mitchel team that was beaten by a 5th place CSD team. Throw them together and see what happens. Better than complaining all day!
BK, truest statement you have ever made. That random lottery sure selected an unusual number of state ranked wrestlers and high-level baseball players. MIC somehow or another randomly selects D1 football players and track athletes. Lincoln Charter randomly selects basketball players and distance runners. Dadof23, how can you, with a straight face, say that these are coincidences? Open enrollment systems like Forsyth County is a totally separate issue. They truly can recruit from a large metro area within the county's borders and remain 1A. An equally large advantage.
You’re completely missing the point. If we put together all star teams from, these 5 schools you would have zero chance, doesn’t matter the sport...well except possibly golf
If a group of people put a charter school in Murphy the 25 mile radius covers Murphy, Andrews, Hayesville, Robbinsville, Blue Ridge GA, Blairsville GA, Hiawassee GA, McCaysville GA, Young Harris GA, Copperhill TN, Ducktown TN and Tellico Plains TN.
So if you actually think this theoretical charter would be incapable of putting 1A super-teams together in virtually any sport if someone at the school was driving it in that direction: i.e. Lincoln Charter in basketball, Mountain Island Charter in football, Uwharrie Charter in baseball, etc. you are sadly, sadly mistaken.
If Avery would've had the opportunity to pull men's basketball players from bordering Watauga, Burke, Mitchell, McDowell, Carter (TN), and Caldwell counties, they would have been unstoppable 1A-3A and potentially 4A as well between 2014-2018. If the NCHSAA continually refuses to put charters in their own bracket (which occurs in TN) and find a way to solve the open enrollment issue (possibly by a multiplier), then those students, alumni, fans, administrators from traditional public schools will continue to have an issue. By the way Dadof23, glad to see your mighty Eagles downed by a new up and coming Chatham Charter squad.
You are an idiot for saying any of those things...Check Lincoln Charters roster. Every one of those kids, minus 1, played MS and JV for LCS The runners the same thing. MIC pulls from Charlotte area seeing they are on the line of CMS so I'm sure that is why they get better athletes.
You may be competitive at best in 1A if you would do that. I think you drink the kool-aid of thinking your mountain talent is equal to those a little further to the east. If you think so highly of the talent in Avery, bring them down to Charlotte...heck Hickory or Gastonia and play someone every now and then. I've never seen that before. Lincoln Charter is a solid program that will be back. Will Avery?
Do not call people idiots. There can be a civil discussion without name calling.
It's called, all schools having loopholes and some have larger loopholes than others.
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Your argument is invalid. Our talent level has dipped but will be back in a few years. We're you alive from 2014-2018 to see an Avery team that was one of the top 2-3 non-charter, open-enrollment involved school in the 1A classification? Also, if we had pulled talent from Elizabethon, TN and Morganton, as well as the other counties listed above (all within a 25 mile radius) we would have been unstoppable even for the mighty WSP Phoenix and Lincoln Charter Eagles. Imagine recruiting and only having 1 state title to show for it...
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