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We're talking about all these different plans, this is just the one that makes sense to me. 426 is what they have on the HSOT list, putting them 365th. I know what people say about how the numbers get shifted around over there, so I'm only reporting what's on the list and nothing else.That would be fine, freedom but a vote would probably have to take place maybe?
Murphy 426???
The enrollment numbers used for this last alignment was Murphy 485.
If the non football schools are in the total equation there will be approximately sixty football schools pushed to a higher classification which will cause a ripple effect.Btango I don't think 1a will be pushed up into 2a.
2a would then exceed 64?
Are you thinking that 64 is only for regular season? Also I believe 1a would have 50%.
Does anyone have a list of football schools?
It's basically Mike Blake's proposal about how to keep things "flexible" between reapportionment periods. The highlights are he talks about how to divide into 8 classes (how many schools in each class), where the East/West line might be (different for each classification), how to make conferences (he doesn't go into a lot of detail here). How to do playoff seeding, how to introduce new sports (I think this is important) and other potential changes. I hope this is vague enough not to violate the NCPreps rule against using premium content from other sites.HighschoolOT had the wrong numbers last time they tried to do a 7 class.
They had Rville at 385. The numbers used for classification was Robbinsville 345.
Can you explain to me why HSot is talking about 8 classes? First I've heard of it and I'm not paying to see what "THEY" are saying.
A big part of the imbalance and will continue to be is four year realignment.We can't stay with 4 however when many of the variations between the largest school and smallest school in some of our current classifications is a larger gap than entire schools in the 1A/2A ranks. Prime example, Ledford has 850 kids, West Charlotte has 1760. There is no logical reason that both should be 3A with a 900 ADM difference, which is larger than the entire Ledford enrollment.
Yea but we have to close some of these gaps and the only to do that is through expansion of the classifications. Per the last census, NC is home to the largest rural population in the nation and is also one of the fastest growing states in the nation, meaning that NC is extremely challenged in trying to find solutions between the very different demographics across the state. We have public schools ballooning upwards to nearly 4,000 students and we still have public schools with less than 100 students. 4 classifications no longer fits the needs of NC and hasn't for years and while other states were figuring this out, NC either lacked the foresight or just blatantly refused to change and now finds itself well behind the times.A big part of the imbalance and will continue to be is four year realignment.
I have supported five or six classifications for a long time. I was involved in different aspects of alignment options with the NCHSAA for a couple of years. What I, and the nchsaa admin, thought were potentially the best options were not well received by the schools.Yea but we have to close some of these gaps and the only to do that is through expansion of the classifications.
I can understand that but it's also glaringly obvious we've outgrown 4 as well. Hopefully it'll get sorted out.I have supported five or six classifications for a long time. I was involved in different aspects of alignment options with the NCHSAA for a couple of years. What I, and the nchsaa admin, thought were potentially the best options were not well received by the schools.
My reason for being against change to a straight ADM with eight evenly split classes is that does not address the issue small traditional schools deal with. The classification system needs more.
consolidation falling through had consequencesMurphy 426???
UCA has a new school that will hold over 1200 kids and may be over 900 next year. They should move to minimum of 2A this year and going forward and not allowed to compete against smaller 1A schools in the playoffs in all sports. As for the realignment, I was told 8 classes from a reliable source.Interesting to see Ledford has 838 students and Uwharrie Charter has 812. Ledford is 3A and Uwharrie is 1A. There’s only a difference of 26 students.
Would the sensible thing been to build one new high school and include the Innovation school and early college all on one campus? Not talking sports but sensible logistics.The new school in Cherokee County has around 145 students. That takes away from all 3 schools in the county. Any more taken away from Andrews hurts even more and any taken away from Murphy only helps as far as possibly keeping them in small 1A. If the School of Innovation continues to grow it will be larger than Andrews and Hiwassee Dam as far as enrollment
Our County is very spread out and is one of the largest counties as far as distance from one end to another. In my opinion the only solution would be 2 new High Schools.Would the sensible thing been to build one new high school and include the Innovation school and early college all on one campus? Not talking sports but sensible logistics.
I understand the issue for Hiwassee students, and to a lesser degree Andrews, with topography, weather, and travel. With on line classes and video capabilities it would seem that inclement weather days would not be a major distraction.
Does two really work? Murphy is the population center so how do you split that into two? They will never do it but do go build the innovation campus which those classes and building are probably needed but I would think the other school facilities are in some need.Our County is very spread out and is one of the largest counties as far as distance from one end to another. In my opinion the only solution would be 2 new High Schools.
That was the issue that I thought of. Where do you draw a line.Does two really work? Murphy is the population center so how do you split that into two? They will never do it but do go build the innovation campus which those classes and building are probably needed but I would think the other school facilities are in some need.
If a student at Hiwassee Dam wants to play football can they transfer to Murphy?
Thank you for clarifying for me. I’m in Biden mode today 😂Which part of the Schools of Innovation are we talking? The Early College has ADM of 150 this year, but losing those kids isn’t anything new. Just losing them to a different building now. Same with the kids there for the alternative school section. But I thought the third part (career academy) was just extra classes kids could take there but still be enrolled in their home district?
Two high schools was my preference when it was on the table with one was in Ranger and one in Marble. But practically I was also concerned parents from Peachtree and Tomotla would’ve sent their kids west with the other ‘Murphy’ kids and things wouldn’t be balanced.
Count all 415 and under.The reason I say in a 7A scenario you'd have to combine 1A & 2A for a football championship is because in a 7A your probably going to have schools with an ADM of 400 or less in 1A which going by the most current ADM (which is the final ADM for 2022-23 )that they're using for this season the schools that meet that criteria and play football in the West would be ...
Winston-Salem prep
South Davidson
North Stokes
Rosman
Andrews
Robbinsville
Christ the King
If you went 450 or less that would add
Allegheny & Cherokee
So 7 max 9 schools out of the existing 32 that play football.
Looks like in the East 415 and under there are 16 one only has 88 so with 8 in the West that's 24 total there's one in the East that's close @ 417. But you wouldn't have enough for a West championship and basically all you'd have except maybe Andrews once in a while mixed in would more that likely Robbinsville winning the championship every year but with little to no other competition so where's the fun in that?Count all 415 and under.
Not just west
Combining would be only for the football playoffs. Still 32 team’s qualifying.Combining would put 2a over 64.
How do they just come up with 64?First let me say I have always supported 6 classifications - but that's not happening so it's a moot point.
The reason for going to 8 is that if you divide the current number of schools by 7 we are already at 62 or so and the bylaws say that you can have no more than 64. If we go to 8 you are looking at about 54 per classification so there is room for growth.
Middle of December.Any guess to when their may be some official information come out?
When does NCHSAA meet?