The Transfer Portal Problem

[portcity FB]

New Hanover is not open enrollment and has not been since 2011ish when the then principal Todd Finn requested that NHHS be changed from open enrollment to open choice - just like Hoggard, Ashley and Laney. The NHCS board approved this request. Frankly, I am surprised that you don’t know this Port. Do a little research before you post. Find out the difference between open enrollment and open choice. Your research will reveal that NHHS, Hoggard, Laney and Ashley are all open choice. None are open enrollment. If you want, I’ll be glad to meet you at the central office and we can get you educated.

It is true that NHHS has the Lyceum Academy. It is also true that Hoggard has the IB program. Students from out of district can apply to NHHS through the Lyceum Academy just like students from out of district can apply to Hoggard through the IB program. For the record, both the Lyceum Academy and the IB program produce stellar students, however, neither has had an impact on the success of NHHS or Hoggard football by the admission of out of district students. Further, neither program is an open enrollment opportunity. The open choice criteria still applies to all out of district applications for all high schools in the county.

Like Cat posted above, the reason the ADM numbers are lower for NHHS is that there is extreme opposition to re-districting. Every proposed re-districting plan that sends more than a small handful of Hoggard kids to NHHS is vehemently opposed by the well organized and vocal Hoggard crowd. Further impacting the NHHS ADM numbers is the fact that the NHCS has capped capacity at NHHS.

On a final note, you may want to do a little research on how many out of district players Hoggard had on their 2007 state championship team before throwing stones.

Enrollment - New Hanover County Schools

Enrollment - New Hanover County Schools

www.nhcs.net

Thanks for the tutorial. You can call it what you want. What you just explained makes it even worse but you will see what you want to see. Over the years NH has had droves of athletes transferring in. NH has multiple state championships in baseball, 1 in football and 2 in basketball over the past 10 years or so and many of the starters on those teams were transfers. Maybe you should do some research on how many of those kids used the Lyceum program to get in then dropped out. If that program was so attractive then many more students would be utilizing it and NHs number wouldn’t be falling. Many people buy a house because of where their kids will go to school. You obviously do not see a problem just changing schools district lines and changing the lives of those families. You mocking those people because of their passion shows what lenses you see out of.
I know of dozens and dozens of kids trying to get into Hoggard only to be denied. The door is wide open on Market St and has been for years.
As for Hoggard 2007 team, I never said Hoggard doesn’t get some transfers. If you want to keep score on transfers I am happy to play that game.

 

[portcity FB]

Open choice allows a small number of transfers from school to school but if they think it’s because of sports they can deny it.
The Lyceum and IB programs are an options but it is not easy to keep the standards needed to stay in those programs.

 

[fitguync30]

Open choice allows a small number of transfers from school to school but if they think it’s because of sports they can deny it.
The Lyceum and IB programs are an options but it is not easy to keep the standards needed to stay in those programs.

I think transfers due to academic reasons should be much easier to obtain if the school the student wants to go has the space. If a transfer is purely for athletic reasons, there needs to be a lot more scrutiny with that. Not a good life lesson to give to a kid if he/she wants to leave their current school because the team isn't great and they simply want to be on a winning program.

 

[Still Magnolia]

Still Magnolia, can you clarify between "open enrollment" and "open choice"? Does this mean if a student wants to go to Hoggard due to the IB program but is in the Laney district they can apply to go to Hoggard to be a part of the IB program? Something like this, I have no problem with. My issue is when an athlete transfers to another school for no reason other than to be part of a winning program because they don't want to put in the work to make their team better. Of course, I realize their can be extenuating circumstances - a terrible and abusive coach, a kid that has a bright future as a WR but his team runs the ball 95% of the time so he cannot develop his talents.

Yes. Open enrollment meant that any high school student living in the county could apply to New Hanover and they would be admitted. The student did not have to provide a reason. As I posted above, New Hanover requested to have the open enrollment policy changed to open choice in 2011ish. That request was made by then New Hanover principal Todd Finn who believed the open enrollment policy was forcing NHHS to admit some “bad actors” from other schools and he wanted to have a defense mechanism to get better control over who was admitted to NHHS. Just like Hoggard, Ashley and Laney, NHHS is open choice and has been for the past 13 years.

Open choice, the current policy of all 4 public high schools in New Hanover County, provides that a high school student may apply to be enrolled in an out of district high school. The applications from out of district students are considered in conjunction with the available space the high school has and that consideration is made on a per class basis. For example, if Hoggard has space for 5 in their junior class and 20 out of district junior students apply then 5 will be randomly selected to be enrolled and 15 will be denied admission.

In short, open enrollment meant automatic admission. Open choice means admission based on available space.

With respect to the Lyceum Academy at NHHS and the IB program at Hoggard, those programs are for academically gifted students and both have a cap on the number of students in their respective programs. Both programs are stellar and if you can’t cut it academically you should not apply. Admission for out of district students to both the Lyceum Academy and the IB program are subject to the open choice policy. There has to be space in the program after the in district students apply to Lyceum or IB in order to admit out of district students. Neither the Lyceum Academy or the IB program have impacted the football success of NHHS or Hoggard by the admission of out of district kids to date. Certainly, that could change.

I hope this answers your question. You may also want to read the NHCS enrollment policy I linked in my prior post.

 

[Still Magnolia]

Thanks for the tutorial. You can call it what you want. What you just explained makes it even worse but you will see what you want to see. Over the years NH has had droves of athletes transferring in. NH has multiple state championships in baseball, 1 in football and 2 in basketball over the past 10 years or so and many of the starters on those teams were transfers. Maybe you should do some research on how many of those kids used the Lyceum program to get in then dropped out. If that program was so attractive then many more students would be utilizing it and NHs number wouldn’t be falling. Many people buy a house because of where their kids will go to school. You obviously do not see a problem just changing schools district lines and changing the lives of those families. You mocking those people because of their passion shows what lenses you see out of.
I know of dozens and dozens of kids trying to get into Hoggard only to be denied. The door is wide open on Market St and has been for years.
As for Hoggard 2007 team, I never said Hoggard doesn’t get some transfers. If you want to keep score on transfers I am happy to play that game.

I’m not calling it what I like. Unlike you, I am calling it what it actually is.

You are correct about one thing, you did not say originally that Hoggard “does not get some transfers.” The fact is, you did not mention anything at all about transfers to Hoggard in your original post but instead focused solely on transfers to NHHS. Your acknowledgement above that Hoggard has benefited from out of district kids is improvement Port. Progress.

I decided to respond to your prior post because I am tired of reading the many posts you have made over the years that NHHS is open enrollment. You are simply wrong. Just like your beloved Hoggard, NHHS is open choice.

With respect to any athletes who applied to Lyceum to get enrolled and then dropped out of Lyceum, please provide me those names. Like your many misrepresentations over the years as to NHHS’ admission policy, I think you are believing what you want as opposed to the facts.

With respect to re-districting, that is a debate that rages every 4 years or so in New Hanover County. You are clearly defending the Hoggard masses who so adamantly oppose sending their kids to NHHS every time re-districting comes up. So, that is the lens you see through. Regardless of where you bought your house, or whether it may take you 5 more minutes to get to the school, or your job is close to the school, or any of the many other excuses raised in opposition to redrawing the district lines, you clearly don’t think any Hoggard students should be re-districted to NHHS despite the fact that Hoggard is busting at the seems. I can guess what your motivation is.

By the way, I appreciate your recognition of the athletic success of NHHS. However, I am more concerned with the academic opportunity for all students. That is what really matters. Good luck against Leesville Road. I am sure your Vikings will take the field without a single out of district kid.

 

[AmosAlonzoStagg]

I think transfers due to academic reasons should be much easier to obtain if the school the student wants to go has the space. If a transfer is purely for athletic reasons, there needs to be a lot more scrutiny with that. Not a good life lesson to give to a kid if he/she wants to leave their current school because the team isn't great and they simply want to be on a winning program.

Or its a life lesson that the rest of life/athletics does. The transfer portal in college and free agency in the pros.

 

[fitguync30]

Or its a life lesson that the rest of life/athletics does. The transfer portal in college and free agency in the pros.

My point is that life isn't always sunshine and roses. Kids need to learn to deal with some losing, adversity and working hard if they want the team they are on to be better. A high school athlete transferring to another school only to be part of a winning program is BS, in my opinion. As I said, if he/she is dealing with an incompetent or abusive coach, I can see allowing some leeway there. But if the coach in place is effective and he/she is trying to build a winning program, a kid on such a team should not be allowed to transfer.

The transfer portal in college is also BS and I hate it. It is ruining college sports. The if you transfer in college you sit out the next season rule should still be in effect. The only exception I would make to that is if a college coach is fired or leaves to take a higher paying job. In that case, I'd allow kids to transfer and be able to play the next season. A lot of college kids go to a certain school due to the coach. So if that coach is no longer in place, transfers and being able to play the next season should be allowed. The pros are the pros. That is purely a money based business and free agency/moving around is part of that. I have no problem with that.

 

[AmosAlonzoStagg]

My point is that life isn't always sunshine and roses. Kids need to learn to deal with some losing, adversity and working hard if they want the team they are on to be better. A high school athlete transferring to another school only to be part of a winning program is BS, in my opinion. As I said, if he/she is dealing with an incompetent or abusive coach, I can see allowing some leeway there. But if the coach in place is effective and he/she is trying to build a winning program, a kid on such a team should not be allowed to transfer.

The transfer portal in college is also BS and I hate it. It is ruining college sports. The if you transfer in college you sit out the next season rule should still be in effect. The only exception I would make to that is if a college coach is fired or leaves to take a higher paying job. In that case, I'd allow kids to transfer and be able to play the next season. A lot of college kids go to a certain school due to the coach. So if that coach is no longer in place, transfers and being able to play the next season should be allowed. The pros are the pros. That is purely a money based business and free agency/moving around is part of that. I have no problem with that.

I understand and agree with you for the most part but it's being done at every level of life including outside of sports. People hate when they are stuck in a bad dead end job.