NCPreps.com 1A Baker's Dozen - Week 10
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Yeah I totally agree there's an advantage I just don't know if (in regards to football) it's significant enough to warrant any action. As of now, even at the 1a level, non-traditionals' performance on the football field is subpar when compared to everybody else. Lol I just hope some loud mouth from MIC doesn't convince people that they're actually any good.
I have to admit you guys are truly entertaining No student can transfer in the mid-term. You have to go through the lottery process and be put on a waiting list. And if your lucky to get in then you still would have to meet all state rules regarding the transfer policy just like traditional schools.
Call it what you want but if you want to spew that charter school stuff do it with someone that don't know the facts. We can do this all night, tomorrow, Friday or next week. Go on all the witch hunts you want but charters are here and alive. Play ball and stop crying.
I have a question about the lottery too? If a private Christian school folds its football program. What's the chances that several of its skill players win the lottery to get into a Charter school? And how young can students apply for high school Charter lottery? Would an 8th grader still playing football for a traditional middle school team already know they won the lottery for their 9th grade year and be wearing Charter school apparel? Just want clarification on the lottery. Thanks
A Jacketfan
A Jacketfan
MIC isn't any good until they win a meaningful game. It's these so called traditionalist that keep crowning MIC champs. MIC is years off they're just showing up in rankings. The favorites in small 1a should be Murphy, Mitchell or NE out east until proven otherwise.
It's no proof that the "advantages" have benefited football. No one can give one example outside of a CSD run last year. In which they're down this year. These are some of the scariest individuals I have witness. Going back and fourth about something that hasn't even happened.
Sir Don't know you don't care who are what you are affiliated with. Know a young man personally who transferred after first semester. Began attending a charter in January and is sitting the 365 and playing baseball for the charter this spring. Fine young man/player. Did it correctly and by the rules.I may have misspoke/written mid-term instead of after first semester.
Not a witch hunt. Do all you guys have a manual you go by where you say people are "crying" and "play ball"?
Debating things is supposed to be a civil exchange of ideas between people not a shut up you don't know anything yelling contest. Everything I have typed on these forums has been in a matter of discussion and I have never been accused of spewing anything. Read my old posts if you gonna be on here all week. Told to quit crying once. Oh yeah he was a charter school proponent who didn't like facts either.
If you're referencing SL private school that team didn't fold. The chances of any student getting into a new charter with open available slots is great. Now if that school was a older charter school for example LN charter the chances would be slim because it wouldn't have the seats. Families can apply as early as the grades that school offers.
No a 8th grader still playing ball wouldn't know but after applying for the lottery the family could have wishful thinking while praying that they get a different "educational option". No rules that say a person couldn't wear gear. People may dream of going to App State while wearing the gear. Who cares families can do what they want.
I never posted anything uncivil. The baseball kid you reference sound like he was on the waiting list and got in later. But if he attend that school he had to go through a lottery or put on a waiting list.
WSPrep is a magnet school not a charter. Totally different rules for enrollment.
http://wsfcs.k12.nc.us/Page/45237
Thanks for the response. One more question if you don't mind about the lottery. So is it based on a number of positions for each grade level- like only rising 9th graders only have a full slot of positions available and the other grade levels must have openings available by kids leaving and sophomores, juniors, and seniors get put on a waiting list?
Thanks
A Jacketfan
That comment was not directed at you. Sorry for that. I'm a supporter of "educational options". I do recognize that it's advantages and disadvantages. Knowing the "other side" of that argument allows me to understand the entire picture not just one that is thrown out for the sake of rallying together against something.
Thanks for that.
I also think a lot of the animosity toward charters comes from when they first opened their doors. Many of the athletes, admittedly most in sports baseball and basketball, simply did not show up to their local traditional high schools that year. As you have stated a new charter with many slots could easily accept these students. With new charters usually not yet in NCHSAA,and 365 not yet in place, they were able to play immediately. Also the coaches could have hands on with their teams because they were not in conferences yet. Oh and the majority of athletes were not second stringers who got in games during garbage times. Funny huh?
Many charters have now joined NCHSAA and compete at the 1A level. Many of their initial classes are juniors or seniors. Having to abide by NCHSAA rules should help level playing field some for 1A traditional schools but what is fueling their ire now I think was referenced above when there was talk of 8th grader wearing charter gear. I know one local middle school has asked a charter parent to not come back to any middle school games. I realize this may have been just an overzealous person but he was apparently asking players about going to charter the next year right after a middle school game.
Yes recruiting goes on at all high schools but residency is a little harder to prove inside a traditional high school's lines. Like I pointed out earlier the 25 mile radius includes all of Randolph county. That's 7 high schools and 8 middles I think. Not to mention those in neighboring counties.
Probably going to bed now. Indians just went up 6-0.
I also think a lot of the animosity toward charters comes from when they first opened their doors. Many of the athletes, admittedly most in sports baseball and basketball, simply did not show up to their local traditional high schools that year. As you have stated a new charter with many slots could easily accept these students. With new charters usually not yet in NCHSAA,and 365 not yet in place, they were able to play immediately. Also the coaches could have hands on with their teams because they were not in conferences yet. Oh and the majority of athletes were not second stringers who got in games during garbage times. Funny huh?
Many charters have now joined NCHSAA and compete at the 1A level. Many of their initial classes are juniors or seniors. Having to abide by NCHSAA rules should help level playing field some for 1A traditional schools but what is fueling their ire now I think was referenced above when there was talk of 8th grader wearing charter gear. I know one local middle school has asked a charter parent to not come back to any middle school games. I realize this may have been just an overzealous person but he was apparently asking players about going to charter the next year right after a middle school game.
Yes recruiting goes on at all high schools but residency is a little harder to prove inside a traditional high school's lines. Like I pointed out earlier the 25 mile radius includes all of Randolph county. That's 7 high schools and 8 middles I think. Not to mention those in neighboring counties.
Probably going to bed now. Indians just went up 6-0.
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If an athlete is good enough he or she will damn sure get into a charter school regardless of a lottery process. Gunzz you have little credibility on here and if you deny that what little you have is gone. The sports other than football have benefited greatly. If there's any question why don't you check out the NCHSAA 1A volleyball tournament bracket. No way anyone can deny that fact that pulling from numerous high schools doesn't give an unfair advantage to Charters. So shut up and play ball is the mantra for Charters? So is "well, they should be able to win they have X number of high schools they can choose from!"
"WSPrep is a magnet school not a charter. Totally different rules for enrollment."
This is charlotte's rules: sounds similar for both magnet and charter to me. I looked at the link and saw nothing that would keep any athlete from going to that school to play ball. As I posted before, I am a fan of charter schools , but it seems if a child applies and the school is below the maximum enrollment, that student will get into the school. Is it fair? Until maximum enrollment is reached so the school's lottery system is in place, I do not think so for 1A traditional athletics. BUT, a school's primary function is to teach. I put that above trophies!
"lottery procedures are often used for admission to both magnet and charter schools. Admission is determined through a random number lottery system. Parents must fill out an application for their preferred school by a set deadline. Applications are then placed into the school’s lottery pool and names are drawn at random for the school’s open slots on a selected date. If your child doesn’t receive admission through the lottery, you can be added to a waiting list and you can also reapply"
This is charlotte's rules: sounds similar for both magnet and charter to me. I looked at the link and saw nothing that would keep any athlete from going to that school to play ball. As I posted before, I am a fan of charter schools , but it seems if a child applies and the school is below the maximum enrollment, that student will get into the school. Is it fair? Until maximum enrollment is reached so the school's lottery system is in place, I do not think so for 1A traditional athletics. BUT, a school's primary function is to teach. I put that above trophies!
"lottery procedures are often used for admission to both magnet and charter schools. Admission is determined through a random number lottery system. Parents must fill out an application for their preferred school by a set deadline. Applications are then placed into the school’s lottery pool and names are drawn at random for the school’s open slots on a selected date. If your child doesn’t receive admission through the lottery, you can be added to a waiting list and you can also reapply"
"If an athlete is good enough he or she will damn sure get into a charter school regardless of a lottery process."
Please reference the site where it says this? The fact is this is your misguided and misinformed opinion Don't post like it's a matter of fact without some sort of backup data. This is the exact reason why so much misinformation has been put out on this subject. I would rather stick to the facts.
I never denied the fact that advantages exist. But I realize they exist in different areas for both sides. My credibility is not govern by you so I could really care what you think.
You can't explain the facts on how this has benefited football 1A on the field. This is what all the crying stems from up here. Now you want to bring up volleyball.
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Yes that's right. It's basic math. But the lottery system works different for magnet programs. Magnet programs have certain criteria's such as GPA, Test Scores, ect depending on the school system they're in. Yes different area magnet may work different and have different criteria's. Same with charter's lotteries. In which they may have less restrictions to apply for the lottery. Think about any of these lotteries like applying for college.
You are well informed. Thanks for clarifying this for me! and I am not being sarcastic
Wait a second.......
At least three other people enjoyed my post. You callin' them lame?
Each Charter school is different. For MIC there has to be an opening at that grade level. For instance if a junior leaves that position would be filled by a person at the same grade level. Some other Charters are different. If a 5th grader leaves that opens up a spot at the school and could be filled by another grade.
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