My Breakdown of what 8 Classes Could be if they'd quit playing around

[KevinFromSwain]

Sir, you have put more thoughtfulness on this subject than most. Only issue will be the continued building of more and larger schools. This alone will bring us right back to where we are now within a few years. As those schools push other schools down a classification. Not picking or kicking your idea. Check I'd support this 100%!

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

Sir, you have put more thoughtfulness on this subject than most. Only issue will be the continued building of more and larger schools. This alone will bring us right back to where we are now within a few years. As those schools push other schools down a classification. Not picking or kicking your idea. Check I'd support this 100%!

You are right...realignment would need to happen every 4 years at least.

It's not that hard to put together. I enjoy the work. Hopefully whoever ends up being in charge of realignment can put together a team of people who are unbiased and passionate about doing what's equitable for all schools.

 

[RD28327]

Would like to see an update on things from you, and would also like to see different scenarios of what conferences could look like from other folks as well.

 

[amaidendevil]

Would like to see an update on things from you, and would also like to see different scenarios of what conferences could look like from other folks as well.

Problem with updating it none of us know what next year's ADMs look like. And 2nd not sure how state is gonna deal with charters and parochial schools

 

[Padrak]

Problem with updating it none of us know what next year's ADMs look like. And 2nd not sure how state is gonna deal with charters and parochial schools

There has been discussions about doing away with conferences all together, and just go with districts or regions.

 

[goldendomer10]

There has been discussions about doing away with conferences all together, and just go with districts or regions.

That is what I've thought would be the common sense thing to do for years now. Abandon conferences entirely.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

NC has 100 counties. 4 regions makes sense to me. 25 counties per region. Each region can be broken down into districts ((conferences) to me those two words are interchangeable).

Again, it can be done...but what works best for NC? Problem is...the mountain region (far west region) will only have 1 8a school...so how do you navigate that?

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in those meetings.

 

[RD28327]

Problem with updating it none of us know what next year's ADMs look like. And 2nd not sure how state is gonna deal with charters and parochial schools

Sometimes, you've got do double-check and triple-check with what numbers you have. Some errors are fairly obvious that even Stevie Wonder can spot them. Other errors are more subtle and hidden. It will be interestting to see enrollemnt numbers come October. Also, how will the NCHSAA address the charters, parochials, and other non-zoned schools? This is something we can only speculate for now.

 

[btango]

There has been discussions about doing away with conferences all together, and just go with districts or regions.

There is not really a difference except what we call it to some degree. The NCHSAA is divided into eight regions which are more administrative which is great for a meeting but not for competition or regular season scheduling. For years the playoffs were played through a district, sectional, regional concept. I did not like the preset playoff bracket as you would often have an absolutely loaded bracket while the other would be weak. Remember the pod system? That was a take off of the old playoffs to some degree but they were not preset before the season started, ie conference champion versus a specific conference champion or runnerup (there were a few that made the playoffs).

 

[btango]

NC has 100 counties. 4 regions makes sense to me. 25 counties per region. Each region can be broken down into districts ((conferences) to me those two words are interchangeable).

Again, it can be done...but what works best for NC? Problem is...the mountain region (far west region) will only have 1 8a school...so how do you navigate that?

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in those meetings.

Meck and Wake County have over 12% of the football playing schools in the NCHSAA. Guilford and Forsyth close to the same. The current NCHSAA regions are more geographical and would need to be based more on total number of schools but that will result in the far west having a huge region or whatever you want to call it.

 

[BlackKnight24]

here is my question if they are going with region what would the placement of conference would look like

 

[BlackKnight24]

the nchsaa sent out surveys to membership schools asking input on 3 potential realignment models

Eight Classes, Equally Divided​

Class	Total Schools	Total ADM	Smallest	Largest	Difference	Average ADM
1a	54	12,726	26	388	362	235.67
2a	54	25,754	390	572	182	476.93
3a	55	36,819	581	761	180	669.44
4a	55	45,880	763	907	144	834.18
5a	55	56,530	907	1,137	230	1,027.82
6a	55	71,059	1,140	1,493	353	1,291.98
7a	54	90,031	1,496	1,887	390	1,667.24
8a	54	124,738	1,932	3,671	1,739	2309.96

Eight Classes with 8A being "Big 32"​

Table with 7 columns and 8 rows.

	Class	Total Schools	Total ADM	Smallest	Largest	Difference	Average ADM
	1A	57	13,900	26	392	366	243.86
	2A	58	28,694	397	592	195	494.72
	3A	58	40,421	607	782	175	696.91
	4A	58	50,179	783	959	176	865.16
	5A	58	63,258	960	1,214	254	1090.66
	6A	58	81,872	1,215	1,608	393	1411.59
	7A	57	104,967	1,609	2,133	524	1841.53
	8A	32	80,246	2,139	3,671	1,532	2507.69

Eight Classes with 1A being "Small 32"​

Table with 7 columns and 8 rows.

	Class	Total Schools	Total ADM	Smallest	Largest	Difference	Average ADM
	1A	32	5,285	26	263	237	165.16
	2A	57	22,852	269	515	246	400.91
	3A	58	35,348	517	695	178	609.45
	4A	58	46,094	707	880	173	794.72
	5A	58	56,872	882	1,105	223	980.55
	6A	58	72,047	1,109	1,429	320	1,242.19
	7A	58	94,710	1,443	1,845	402	1,632.93
	8A	57	130,929	1,849	3,671	1,822	2,297.0

In addition to the eight-classification models, the NCHSAA asked schools how they would prefer to see conferences determined in the new realignment.

Schools had two options for preferences: conferences with similar sized schools in the same classification, but with the potential for further travel distance during the regular season; or conferences with multiple classifications but closer in distance.

The NCHSAA noted that school sizes within classifications will not be as broad with a maximum of 64 schools in each class as compared to the four classifications today.

Schools were also asked if they would prefer realigning every two years instead of every four years.

 

[amaidendevil]

the nchsaa sent out surveys to membership schools asking input on 3 potential realignment models

Eight Classes, Equally Divided​

Class	Total Schools	Total ADM	Smallest	Largest	Difference	Average ADM
1a	54	12,726	26	388	362	235.67
2a	54	25,754	390	572	182	476.93
3a	55	36,819	581	761	180	669.44
4a	55	45,880	763	907	144	834.18
5a	55	56,530	907	1,137	230	1,027.82
6a	55	71,059	1,140	1,493	353	1,291.98
7a	54	90,031	1,496	1,887	390	1,667.24
8a	54	124,738	1,932	3,671	1,739	2309.96

Eight Classes with 8A being "Big 32"​

Table with 7 columns and 8 rows.

	Class	Total Schools	Total ADM	Smallest	Largest	Difference	Average ADM
	1A	57	13,900	26	392	366	243.86
	2A	58	28,694	397	592	195	494.72
	3A	58	40,421	607	782	175	696.91
	4A	58	50,179	783	959	176	865.16
	5A	58	63,258	960	1,214	254	1090.66
	6A	58	81,872	1,215	1,608	393	1411.59
	7A	57	104,967	1,609	2,133	524	1841.53
	8A	32	80,246	2,139	3,671	1,532	2507.69

Eight Classes with 1A being "Small 32"​

Table with 7 columns and 8 rows.

	Class	Total Schools	Total ADM	Smallest	Largest	Difference	Average ADM
	1A	32	5,285	26	263	237	165.16
	2A	57	22,852	269	515	246	400.91
	3A	58	35,348	517	695	178	609.45
	4A	58	46,094	707	880	173	794.72
	5A	58	56,872	882	1,105	223	980.55
	6A	58	72,047	1,109	1,429	320	1,242.19
	7A	58	94,710	1,443	1,845	402	1,632.93
	8A	57	130,929	1,849	3,671	1,822	2,297.0

In addition to the eight-classification models, the NCHSAA asked schools how they would prefer to see conferences determined in the new realignment.

Schools had two options for preferences: conferences with similar sized schools in the same classification, but with the potential for further travel distance during the regular season; or conferences with multiple classifications but closer in distance.

The NCHSAA noted that school sizes within classifications will not be as broad with a maximum of 64 schools in each class as compared to the four classifications today.

Schools were also asked if they would prefer realigning every two years instead of every four years.

Honestly I think the 2nd option is the most fair.

 

[ocdavis31]

Obviously most fans will view it from the perspective of their own team. For Thomasville, I find it interesting that at 592, in the first option we would be one of the smallest in 3A. In the second the largest in 2A. And the third, in the middle of 3A.
Without studying the competition, I think I’d prefer to be in the middle of the pack rather than at either end.

 

[RD28327]

I would take the "Small 32." Only eight schools that play 11-man football in 1A if you had a "Small 32" (six in the East, and two in the West).

 

[Squirrel Gravy]

I would take the "Small 32." Only eight schools that play 11-man football in 1A if you had a "Small 32" (six in the East, and two in the West).

"Small 32" seems like it would work best if the 11 man football teams can opt up into 2A, or otherwise include them in 2A conferences for football. The big problem with small 32 is they will be much more spread out than the Big 32, so we're putting the greatest travel burden on the smallest schools.

 

[BleedBurnsBlue]

I'm wondering why they wouldn't do a mixture of the smallest 32, biggest 32, then divide the rest in between evenly. The small schools and big schools are where the most discrepancies are.

 

[loveithere]

I haven’t done the math. But would doing it that way put more than 64 schools in the other classes? Can’t have more than 64

 

[RD28327]

If you had a "Big 32" (8A) and a "Small 32" (1A), then the other six classes would have almost 64 teams each.

 

[RD28327]

Here's another idea. How about a "Big 64" (8A) and/or a "Little 64" (1A)? If you did one or the other (Big or Little), just divide the other classes by seven (2A-8A or 1A-7A). If you do both (Big + Little), just divide up the remaining number of schools by six (2A-7A).

YOu would have 64 teams each in 1A and 8A, then have 52 teams each in 2A through 7A.

Still, no matter how you slice the "pie", you're still going to have tons of split conferences.

 

[amaidendevil]

Here's another idea. How about a "Big 64" (8A) and/or a "Little 64" (1A)? If you did one or the other (Big or Little), just divide the other classes by seven (2A-8A or 1A-7A). If you do both (Big + Little), just divide up the remaining number of schools by six (2A-7A).

YOu would have 64 teams each in 1A and 8A, then have 52 teams each in 2A through 7A.

Still, no matter how you slice the "pie", you're still going to have tons of split conferences.

That would create a huge gap between smallest and biggest school in those classifications. Which defeats purpose of going to 8 classifications

 

[RD28327]

Well, if you have only 32 teams in 1A or 8A, then how many schools make the playoffs in a 32-team class? 16?

 

[amaidendevil]

Well, if you have only 32 teams in 1A or 8A, then how many schools make the playoffs in a 32-team class? 16?

Don't matter too many make it nowadays anyway

 

[RD28327]

More games, more $$$ ... Heck, someone's getting pad!!! It just ain't me!!!

 

[RD28327]

NCHSAA asks member schools for input on realignment process, future of conferences

As the NCHSAA prepares for the upcoming realignment process, the association is asking member schools for their input on how to determine the eight classifications and how to assign schools to conferences.

www.highschoolot.com

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

I got reliable word that we'll be getting split conferences, "about 100% chance".

Which I figured would happen with 8 classifications...big question is...will they go with multi-class splits for fringe schools, i.e. 2a/3a/4a

 

[Squirrel Gravy]

I got reliable word that we'll be getting split conferences, "about 100% chance".

Which I figured would happen with 8 classifications...big question is...will they go with multi-class splits for fringe schools, i.e. 2a/3a/4a

Split conferences are a must, unless you are ok with 3 hour drive times or two team conferences. I agree that the big question is how many classes they will allow in a conference. First Flight over on the coast will possibly be the only 4A school in it's conference. That will probably have to be a 2A/3A/4A conference.

 

[amaidendevil]

Based on how the adm numbers play out I could see a possibility of the cvac being all one class

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

Based on how the adm numbers play out I could see a possibility of the cvac being all one class

I'm seeing that Maiden will be the only 4A in catawba county.

 

[amaidendevil]

I'm seeing that Maiden will be the only 4A in catawba county.

Just for discussion purposes because numbers will be different next year. Maiden 875, Bunker Hill 880, bandy's 906, Newton 907, Fred t Foard 934. With just a minimal growth would put all in 5a with option 3. With option 2 all in 4a. Now option 1 would split it up, but with all the housing developments being built who knows what the numbers will be next year in Catawba county besides Foard which either holds steady or drops a little if I guess.

 

[amaidendevil]

Honestly I feel like option 2 is set up to win the vote. U would have to logically figure it's automatically got a 57 vote lead because the 57 teams in 7a would be stupid to not vote that option because any other option gives a 1800 student spread in that classification.

 

[flyrod5518]

Still interesting to see if they do anything special with charter schools too.

Also, is @GrizzlyDevil busy? Why no updated breakdowns...

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

Still interesting to see if they do anything special with charter schools too.

Also, is @GrizzlyDevil busy? Why no updated breakdowns...

Very busy...but it's all a wash until we get some more concrete guidelines.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

Just for discussion purposes because numbers will be different next year. Maiden 875, Bunker Hill 880, bandy's 906, Newton 907, Fred t Foard 934. With just a minimal growth would put all in 5a with option 3. With option 2 all in 4a. Now option 1 would split it up, but with all the housing developments being built who knows what the numbers will be next year in Catawba county besides Foard which either holds steady or drops a little if I guess.

Bunker Hill is tricky...they have the same ADM as Anson I believe...HSOT puts Anson in 4A and BH in 5A...idk why but it's what they have. Personally I believe they should put them both either up or down and not split teams with same ADM.

 

[BleedBurnsBlue]

Alphabetical order. LOL.

 

[amaidendevil]

Bunker Hill is tricky...they have the same ADM as Anson I believe...HSOT puts Anson in 4A and BH in 5A...idk why but it's what they have. Personally I believe they should put them both either up or down and not split teams with same ADM.

I still believe we could see Catawba County redraw lines at some point the growth in Sherrill Ford area is so overwhelming that it's gonna kill bandy's and over run it. That building is nothing. It's either redraw or build a new big school out towards Sherrill Ford. Maiden could handle more from across hwy 16

 

[Lincolnton]

I still believe we could see Catawba County redraw lines at some point the growth in Sherrill Ford area is so overwhelming that it's gonna kill bandy's and over run it. That building is nothing. It's either redraw or build a new big school out towards Sherrill Ford. Maiden could handle more from across hwy 16

It's possible Bandys could upgrade their current structure to accommodate more students, like East Lincoln, since they have plenty of room to do it. If that happens, you and I will be calling the Trojans our father.

 

[amaidendevil]

It's possible Bandys could upgrade their current structure to accommodate more students, like East Lincoln, since they have plenty of room to do it. If that happens, you and I will be calling the Trojans our father.

Lol.. me and Hobbs was talking about this couple years ago. Most likely scenario is a new high high school built out in Sherrill Ford and probably new name.

 

[Lincolnton]

We had people moving in but you wrote that we had bed bugs. Now, they're moving out.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

Still interesting to see if they do anything special with charter schools too.

Also, is @GrizzlyDevil busy? Why no updated breakdowns...

I could look at the newest HSOT breakdown of classification and piddle.