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Mallard Creek & East Forsyth easily 1 & 2 in the State 4AA, definitely some separation for 3 on down

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Mount Tabor beat Butler few years ago.
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I was actually happy to see MT get a win there. Butler has had trouble getting 11 games most years in the last decade, and MT showed some balls and stepped up to the plate on 4 different occasions to help out when most other teams wouldn't.

Good for them. This shows what can happen when you challenge yourself, aren't afraid of a little competition, and aren't afraid to take a chance. Tabor deserved that win and they earned it the hard way. I wouldn't mind seeing these two teams resume the series sometime in the future.
 
The Nchsaa is so far behind when it comes to football I am not surprised by anything anymore
 
Believe me, if subdividing was out it would have been the biggest story in recent years involving the NCHSAA.
 
nepsy7 said:
Scotland County, Richmond County, New Bern, Charlotte Catholic, Dudley, Greensboro Page,
Butler,Mallard Creek, all have something in common. They have won Championships and don't beg, beg, beg, beg, beg and beg for respect. They earned it!

Stop crying EF, although that's what you guys do best. Just win and the respect will come. Almost don't count!
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Nepsy7......You may not know this but EF DID win state championship back in 1992 and it was considered one of the best team 4A history. That EF went through the season undefeated and won state champion at UNC over Northern Durham (which won it all following year).

I have much respect for Mallard Creek but hey let EF fans enjoy the ride last year and they might be pretty good this year also. I believe EF would stomp Page also since they played earlier in the year. EF won that one by one point but had about 4 or 5 turnovers. They played a lot better as season goes along. The reason why Mallard Creek won the game because they had been in Western regional final in past 4 years or so...they know what it takes to win and move to state championship game.

Nespy7 ----You don't have to put fans from EF down . Heck CPClife is a huge WF fan. WF and EF is a huge rivalary and it is unusual to hear WF or EF give each other props. ..It has been a long time that EF were at that level. EF were a very good football school in late 70's to early 90's. They ran Wing T offense during that special year of 92 and nobody could stop them. It is good to see EF and other triad schools doing good again. I just like to see good football teams in this triad area and also good football anywhere for that matter.

I saw Page beat Richmond like a rented mule last year at Page. I cringe if Richmond play Mallard Creek or EF in playoffs. Richmond has not been that good since 2008 and yet they get better reps than EF. EF would handle Richmond past five years quite easily. I also saw Richmond beat Dudley on Monday night and it was a good thing that Richmond played in the rain. If Dudley play them in great weather, it would not be close. Rain is part of the game and that way it falls last year.

Good luck to all teams this year and have fun on Friday Night. It be here before we know it!
 
mactazheels said:
Nepsy7......You may not know this but EF DID win state championship back in 1992 and it was considered one of the best team 4A history. That EF went through the season undefeated and won state champion at UNC over Northern Durham (which won it all following year).

I have much respect for Mallard Creek but hey let EF fans enjoy the ride last year and they might be pretty good this year also. I believe EF would stomp Page also since they played earlier in the year. EF won that one by one point but had about 4 or 5 turnovers. They played a lot better as season goes along. The reason why Mallard Creek won the game because they had been in Western regional final in past 4 years or so...they know what it takes to win and move to state championship game.

Nespy7 ----You don't have to put fans from EF down . Heck CPClife is a huge WF fan. WF and EF is a huge rivalary and it is unusual to hear WF or EF give each other props. ..It has been a long time that EF were at that level. EF were a very good football school in late 70's to early 90's. They ran Wing T offense during that special year of 92 and nobody could stop them. It is good to see EF and other triad schools doing good again. I just like to see good football teams in this triad area and also good football anywhere for that matter.

I saw Page beat Richmond like a rented mule last year at Page. I cringe if Richmond play Mallard Creek or EF in playoffs. Richmond has not been that good since 2008 and yet they get better reps than EF. EF would handle Richmond past five years quite easily. I also saw Richmond beat Dudley on Monday night and it was a good thing that Richmond played in the rain. If Dudley play them in great weather, it would not be close. Rain is part of the game and that way it falls last year.

Good luck to all teams this year and have fun on Friday Night. It be here before we know it!
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All of the teams he named have won titles since 2009. We are talking RELEVANT titles. Recent titles. Not titles 20 years ago. You don't get respect for having one ring 20yrs ago, you get respect by winning today.
 
Funny how the Mallard Creek fans get chastised. There isn't one that doesn't respect EF, not one that doesn't think EF is a very good squad. Probably a top 5 team in 4a. I would call that respectful.

CPCforlife isn't a troll. He may be uninformed but he has been here for years beating the drum for the Triad teams. Every year he leaves disappointed but every year he is back.

Its the Triad fans that are disrespectful and delusional. " Huge gap between EF, Mallrd Creek and the rest of the teams" That's disrespectful with zero to back it up with.

How about we win something. Then you guys can squawk all night long.
 
*Let me also say I respect EF, but I am talking the respect that Mallard Creek, Dudley etc get. They have a different level of respect because they've won the big game.
 
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I haven't put this photo up in a while. This best describes a lot of EF fans!
 
Hey guys.... I am just pointing out that EF did win State Title even though it was a quite time ago (24 years ago this coming fall) . I wasn't sure if Nespy7 knew if EF won it before. That team will do well last year cuz they had winning attitude and they were huge. (they were pretty fast also)I think they had 22 seniors which helped a lot in experience factor in state championship game.

Now Mallard Creek and Butler have been taking care of business past 7 years with an exception of 2011 which Page beat both teams back to back. I am glad that Mallard Creek and Butler are putting NC on the map. It helps other teams to raise the bar.

Again, good luck to all teams in NC. No need to bash fans that pulls for their team and believe they can win titles. Then again, people are people... some like to rub it in and other manned up and behave like a gentleman!
 
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I have a lot of respect for Coach Willert. He is great supporter of me and my site.

It's almost like the Ric Flair saying "To be the man, you got to beat the man!" East has not beaten Mallard Creek or Butler and as long as those 2 are at that elite level they are the measuring stick.

Page finally got some respect when they beat both with James Summers. It was tough for Page fans because almost nobody gave them a shot but they did get those wins.

I'm speaking for the 4AA level, so I don't include Charlotte Catholic, Dudley, Scotland., and New Bern.
 
mactazheels said:
Hey guys.... I am just pointing out that EF did win State Title even though it was a quite time ago (24 years ago this coming fall) . I wasn't sure if Nespy7 knew if EF won it before. That team will do well last year cuz they had winning attitude and they were huge. (they were pretty fast also)I think they had 22 seniors which helped a lot in experience factor in state championship game.

Now Mallard Creek and Butler have been taking care of business past 7 years with an exception of 2011 which Page beat both teams back to back. I am glad that Mallard Creek and Butler are putting NC on the map. It helps other teams to raise the bar.

Again, good luck to all teams in NC. No need to bash fans that pulls for their team and believe they can win titles. Then again, people are people... some like to rub it in and other manned up and behave like a gentleman!
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10-4! Thanks for the info.
 
The seeding will definitely be flawed seeding each 8 team group. A worse record team could host a better team, could it be passible that a 2 from a conf could host a 1 from another if by chance they were a higher seed within their 8 teamgroup
 
scotswin said:
The seeding will definitely be flawed seeding each 8 team group. A worse record team could host a better team, could it be passible that a 2 from a conf could host a 1 from another if by chance they were a higher seed within their 8 teamgroup
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I think this is just about guaranteed to happen. Hopefully it won't be very often.

Another question: #1 West takes care of business. #1 Midwest takes care of business. It's semi-finals time...who's the home team?
 
hokiemtc said:
I think this is just about guaranteed to happen. Hopefully it won't be very often.

Another question: #1 West takes care of business. #1 Midwest takes care of business. It's semi-finals time...who's the home team?
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Coin flip probably
 
This has been an interesting thread to follow. I don't really try to hide who I pull for (North Davidson) or even who I am (I have spoken with quite a few of you guys at playoffs, mutual games, shared food with some of you pregame, etc). I pull for 4th down quarterbacks (kickers) and good football anytime, anywhere.

That being said.....I think we are blurring the lines of why we respect each other. For example, I respect the heck out of Allen Brown (legendary Thomasville coach) and only met him a few times. What he accomplished was amazing for such a small school. They haven't been "elite" good in quite a while, but I respect what he/they accomplished when he was there. More recently, our school has experienced increased football success and we have been playing deeper into the playoffs or against different/better competition. Having played both Charlotte Catholic and Scotland last year, I have great respect for their history and talent levels and their fan bases. Most recently, I got to meet 3-4 of the Mallard Creek kids this summer while on the recruiting trail and have a new found respect for them as well. (BTW, NC State feels like it is becoming Mallard Creek U!) Respect is always earned, rarely given out easily now a days, even when it should be but is withheld. You can respect the past and the present and even the future for anybody or any team, even an "enemy". I know that sounds rah rah, but it's true.
 
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When will we see MC on ESPN? If there ranked top 15 in nation this should happen.
Also Tommy Knott did a hell of a job. At Indy. for many years. More schools were built,more kids move in Charlotte area.
 
NCHSAA will not let any NC High School to be on nationwide tv like ESPN. They had been doing this for years and it is a shame though. We do have great teams and deserve to be on nationwide tv for a change. Many other states do not have that kind of restriction. We have to abide the rules as of now. Maybe one day, that rule will be changed. I think that rule has been written in to prevent from fans staying at home to watch the game. I think if any team gets on ESPN, the turnout will be better than normal due to that reason.
 
Just another thing about the NCHSAA that makes no sense. Like they're afraid they won't get any money for a national game on ESPN... they'd be making more money than they ever have if they would just allow themselves to open to the possibility
 
I am 100% against the rule against allowing teams to appear on national or regionally televised games but the rule, and reasoning for said rule, has nothing to do with the NCHSAA receiving or not receiving money from ESPN or Fox for a televised contest.
 
hokiemtc said:
And you are openly disrespecting one Charlotte team (Hough) that actually beat Mallard Creek last season and ran the table in MC's conference, another Charlotte team (Catholic) that actually hoisted a state title trophy, and another recent 3 time 4AA champ (Butler) who has handed Mallard Creek 3 of their last 5 losses (not to mention one who has never lost to a Forsyth Co team in all of recorded history) and played two really tough, close games with MC last season.

Who needs to learn the game here and respect their opponents? 13 of the last 16 4AA titles here, dude.

The bottom line is East Forsyth players, coaches and fans were thrilled to only lose by one score against Mallard Creek, and they haven't shut up about it during or since. Butler players, coaches and fans were seriously disappointed to lose by one score against Mallard Creek, and have been hard at work trying to remedy the situation. I have a pretty good hunch which team will be a bigger factor in the title chase this season.
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You're right. That's one fact that has been lost during this discussion. Mallard Ceek
hokiemtc said:
And you are openly disrespecting one Charlotte team (Hough) that actually beat Mallard Creek last season and ran the table in MC's conference, another Charlotte team (Catholic) that actually hoisted a state title trophy, and another recent 3 time 4AA champ (Butler) who has handed Mallard Creek 3 of their last 5 losses (not to mention one who has never lost to a Forsyth Co team in all of recorded history) and played two really tough, close games with MC last season.

Who needs to learn the game here and respect their opponents? 13 of the last 16 4AA titles here, dude.

The bottom line is East Forsyth players, coaches and fans were thrilled to only lose by one score against Mallard Creek, and they haven't shut up about it during or since. Butler players, coaches and fans were seriously disappointed to lose by one score against Mallard Creek, and have been hard at work trying to remedy the situation. I have a pretty good hunch which team will be a bigger factor in the title chase this season.
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That's one thing has been lost in the discussion. Hough actually won the conference title. Mallard Creek didn't. Pretty tough league.
 
mrhonda said:
You're right. That's one fact that has been lost during this discussion. Mallard Ceek


That's one thing has been lost in the discussion. Hough actually won the conference title. Mallard Creek didn't. Pretty tough league.
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Catholiccoug14 posted earlier in this thread that he was only interested in recent relevant titles. Coug seems to be a young man and may not realize that back in the 1980's there would have been a good chance MC would not have made the playoffs as a conference runner up. Sometimes a conference might get two in but not always.
 
CatScratchFever23 said:
Catholiccoug14 posted earlier in this thread that he was only interested in recent relevant titles. Coug seems to be a young man and may not realize that back in the 1980's there would have been a good chance MC would not have made the playoffs as a conference runner up. Sometimes a conference might get two in but not always.
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I know there were fantastic teams in the 80s that would beat many of the great teams today. However, if we're talking about recent success determing who is a state power than East Forsyth does not have that. One regional final since 1992 is not exactly impressive.
 
ForsythFootball said:
May not make a difference but I just learned East forsyth actively attempted to schedule a 2016 game with Mallard creek but was told no by Mallard creek in the spring of 2016. Hard to schedule a team who wont play you.
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Mallard Creek only managed to find 10 games this season, with three of them having to be out-of-state opponents.

I'm not saying the claim is false (other posters here have inside MC info, but I don't), but let's just say it sounds dubious. If it's true, nepsy will verify it. If he says it has no legs, then that word came straight from the horse's mouth.
 
ForsythFootball said:
May not make a difference but I just learned East forsyth actively attempted to schedule a 2016 game with Mallard creek but was told no by Mallard creek in the spring of 2016. Hard to schedule a team who wont play you.
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Like all of your information! False. You have got to stop making stuff up! East Forsyth has never reached out to MC about a game. If their was a penalty for making false accusations on a Football thread. You would get Life!
 
Ok it was impossible to play Mallard Creek... Week 1 was open (filled with Dillon). Week 4 is still open and Week 11 (10/28) is open.

East Forsyth has to play in county schools correct? First four games are Forsyth county schools. Then week 11 game is a conference game.

So explain what date was talked about? I post every year for Palmieri about games. Scotland is needing games too next year.
 
I have the upmost respect for Coach Willert and what he has done at East. He is a big supporter of me and my work, but please stop saying things like this.
 
ForsythFootball said:
I'm not making it up? East forsyth reached out to Mallard creek early in the spring and Mallard creek said no.

I talked to someone within the athletic program because I asked why East didn't try and schedule tougher non conference and if we would see a change next season.
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Then apparently you've been trolled, troll
 
ForsythFootball said:
I'm not making it up? East forsyth reached out to Mallard creek early in the spring and Mallard creek said no.

I talked to someone within the athletic program because I asked why East didn't try and schedule tougher non conference and if we would see a change next season.
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You're the same guy that said .Christian Beal is the best RB in the state and he's only a Soph. Lmao! You should ban yourself from this sight.
 
ForsythFootball said:
I'm not making it up? East forsyth reached out to Mallard creek early in the spring and Mallard creek said no.

I talked to someone within the athletic program because I asked why East didn't try and schedule tougher non conference and if we would see a change next season.
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My cousin knows an assistant coach at East. I saw this post and had to get him to find out. According to him he just said they did not try to schedule Mallard Creek. He said Forsyth County makes them schedule non conference games and they had one open and Page took that offer. East felt Page would be a quality team to play without traveling 150 miles.

Forsyth,
Who do you talk to? How do you get so much inside info on East? My Cousin knows a couple coaches there. I know a couple coaches at NW Guilford so I try to follow as many NW games as possible. If they're out of town I catch an East game.
 
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From what my cousin says the East Forsyth coaches are really good coaches and even better guys. They do a lot (like most HS coaches do) for kids on their team outside of football. Every time I've been to an East game the fans have been great to sit have a hot dog, and chat HS Football with. I think some posters on HS forums give East fans/coaches a bad name. Its a shame because I think the East coaches have done an amazing job at that school and IMO are very underrated. I know they won a championship in 92 but East was really bad for a long time. Coach Willert and his staff have done a great job. They may not be on the level of a MC or Butler but I can tell you as someone being around NW and other teams in the Triad. Not many teams around here get a lot of sleep on the game week leading up to East Forsyth.
 
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hokiemtc said:
UPDATE: Chris Hughes attended a recent NCHSAA football coaches rules meeting where it was clarified that there WILL still be subdividing, so the new handbook confusion appears to be a result of something just being really, really poorly written.

The 64 teams will be subdivided big and small (32 teams in each division) based on ADM. The 32 team divisions will then be divided into (4) 8 team "groups" based on longitude. After sorting and seeding each "group", East #1 will play Mideast #8 on so on. West #1 will play Midwest #8 and so on.

If some NCHSAA member is reading this, then I volunteer to help you re-write that section of the rules in a way that makes sense and works in the real world.
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That's what you get when you try to save money and hire ct147 to write the rule book.
 
247 sports has the page running back at number one (Javone Leake) not sure if that's his name and Christian beal from east Forsyth at number two for runningback. So no matter what you think a lot of people would agree Christian beal is a good play maker and any high school team would be lucky to have him. He set a school rushing record as a junior and also a killer threat at QB and the slot position. So yes, personally I believe he is one of the top running backs in the state. Maybe not the best but he is definitely a top 3 running back.
 
Deana_King said:
Ok it was impossible to play Mallard Creek... Week 1 was open (filled with Dillon). Week 4 is still open and Week 11 (10/28) is open.

East Forsyth has to play in county schools correct? First four games are Forsyth county schools. Then week 11 game is a conference game.

So explain what date was talked about? I post every year for Palmieri about games. Scotland is needing games too next year.
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Forsyth county schools do not even get to pick who they play on 2 games, they will be against other Forsyth schools and Central office picks who it will be. And all gates are split.

We have at least 1 Forsyth county coach posting regularly on here, he can correct this if I am totally off base.
 
ForsythFootball said:
247 sports has the page running back at number one (Javone Leake) not sure if that's his name and Christian beal from east Forsyth at number two for runningback. So no matter what you think a lot of people would agree Christian beal is a good play maker and any high school team would be lucky to have him. He set a school rushing record as a junior and also a killer threat at QB and the slot position. So yes, personally I believe he is one of the top running backs in the state. Maybe not the best but he is definitely a top 3 running back.
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You said that Beal was the best RB in the State as a Sophomore. Which is part of the pattern of your delusional statements that you make often. You also said: I can't think of anybody in recent years who have received a scholarship from Bama. There were over 10 kids that were offered. The latest EF reached out to Mallard Creek for a game? Which is also a Lie!

Stop Throlling!
 
mactazheels said:
Nepsy7......You may not know this but EF DID win state championship back in 1992 and it was considered one of the best team 4A history. That EF went through the season undefeated and won state champion at UNC over Northern Durham (which won it all following year).

I have much respect for Mallard Creek but hey let EF fans enjoy the ride last year and they might be pretty good this year also. I believe EF would stomp Page also since they played earlier in the year. EF won that one by one point but had about 4 or 5 turnovers. They played a lot better as season goes along. The reason why Mallard Creek won the game because they had been in Western regional final in past 4 years or so...they know what it takes to win and move to state championship game.

Nespy7 ----You don't have to put fans from EF down . Heck CPClife is a huge WF fan. WF and EF is a huge rivalary and it is unusual to hear WF or EF give each other props. ..It has been a long time that EF were at that level. EF were a very good football school in late 70's to early 90's. They ran Wing T offense during that special year of 92 and nobody could stop them. It is good to see EF and other triad schools doing good again. I just like to see good football teams in this triad area and also good football anywhere for that matter.

I saw Page beat Richmond like a rented mule last year at Page. I cringe if Richmond play Mallard Creek or EF in playoffs. Richmond has not been that good since 2008 and yet they get better reps than EF. EF would handle Richmond past five years quite easily. I also saw Richmond beat Dudley on Monday night and it was a good thing that Richmond played in the rain. If Dudley play them in great weather, it would not be close. Rain is part of the game and that way it falls last year.

Good luck to all teams this year and have fun on Friday Night. It be here before we know it!
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Richmond hasn't been good since 08 ?
 
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