Prudent person rule. If u took the make ups of CG/CC as a whole vs. Public school would CG/CC look more like a private school or a public school? Ill wait.
I agree with your thoughts for the most part.
Another example of someone who knows nothing about Cardinal Gibbons. I live in Waite County I’ve seen them I know kids went there, it looks a lot more like your typical small for a public school than you think. I don’t know what you believe but the way the diocese is they cannot go out and recruit 45 guys to play football or any other sport. They cannot. If you think about it this thread says they have an ATM of about 1500 students. If they were recruiting even 100 athletes, the diocese would be upset because the school gives primary consideration to Catholics. The numbers don’t work for Cardinal Gibbons and I suspect I don’t work for Charlotte Catholic. What do you choose to believe it is up to you but the numbers just don’t work.
You missing my point. The students at CG are selected to go there and meet certain requirements and its not open to the general public so by having a selective non random process they control their enrollment which allows for a better student athlete. Add to this no residency boundary restrictions for 6 counties u get dominance across multiple sports. CG dominates volleyball, cross country, lacrosse, swimming and wrestling. They CLEARLY have an advantage. If you took the total state championships between CG/CC those two schools have won more combined ships than almost 98% of the state. But u want to say its an even field? Its not.
On paper CG is more talented and not close to me. Agree 100% about Concepcion. You have to get him the ball. The mental play that seemed to doom Chambers was when Hollywood got lose and slipped at the 3 or so. Dry weather that's a TD. QB fumbles next play. That was a super emotional drain. Chambers played their game, but ran into the rematch monster to me. The same monster that bit MAllard Creek, that bit Hough, bit Chambers. Its super hard to beat great teams 2X as their is a mental aspect to it. Hell the chiefs couldn't even beat the Bucs 2x in one season. Its tough. CG is very well coached.
You do recall you predicted that Gibbons wins vs Rolesville, Chambers wins vs Hough then Chambers beats the breaks off Gibbons. YOU went on about how much better chambers was and NOW you are saying "on paper CG is more talented nd not close to me." Huh? I think another one mad about the outcome looking for an excuse.
Big Dad I am intimately aware of Bishop Gorman and the Catholic school in Chicago,. I am genuinely aware of others parochial school systems but not to the level of my understanding of Bishop Gorman and the catholic schools in Illinois.
they can apply for need (grants) and will most likely be granted ----- but my understanding is that kid aint playing at Charlotte Catholic if they receive any financial assistance. A distinction solely reserved for the parochial school.
Have you ever met a person so dedicated to separating one group of kids from another?? So obsessed as "Bigdad" to keep one group of kids being banished from playing another group of kids. Just sad and shows you how hard someone will work to find differences (and be unable to contain his own social jealousies). LET THEM PLAY TOGETHER, I'm sure they can figure it out better than "Bigdad" when they try and work together instead of to exclude each other.
When I say on paper. I'm speaking of players on the roster, that have shown their ability on the field that have drawn interest of numerous college scouts. No comparison between the 2 programs. Not a rematch monster regarding MC when they lost to Chambers. Even the chambers coaching staff at Vance, couldn't understand why Creek wouldn't run the ball with that massive FBS OL, that averaged 6'4" 305lbs, with Trent Simpson & QuaSean Holmes in the backfield. The OL was begging the OC to run the ball.(see DF game) Instead we were locked into a Damn Air Raid offense. I was in the press box with the media, and was asked a zillion times. Why don't they just run the ball? The Creek like Chambers was built to beat their opponents twice. Game planning and not using the full arsenal of weapons was the problem.
Different animals same species. Its the same set up except for the direct recruiting. Same Catholic pride, same attend this school for sports.
You guys are way over my IQ when discussing Catholic Schools, Private and Parochial schools. My knowledge is basic. I do know that Mater Dei Football team, is ran like a fine tuned business, that sends 15 to 20 power 5 kids to school annually. They are basically a feeder school for FBS programs. I doubt very few public schools, if any could beat them on the Football field. CC & CG do not get those types of kids. Mater Dei also plays in the CIF. CIF membership includes both public and private high schools. The conference they play in, is the #1 High School Football conference in the Nation. As the teams they play have similar resources. Unlike most other state organizations, it does not have a single, statewide championships for all sports; instead, for some sports, the CIF's 10 Sections each have their own championships. Which makes since, because they're not taking any L's anytime soon. Just my personal opinion. I just don't see the large advantages that CG or CC have in the state of NC. My opinion is strictly based off of Jimmy's and Joe's. I'm not knowledgeable enough to have a conversation with you outside of that. If they were built like Mater Dei. I'm agreeing with you 100%
Respect that opinion. When looking at 150 championships in 20 years combined which is more than all of the high schools combined in the states two largest counties its clear they have an advantage.
What you are describing above does not happen at Charlotte Catholic (cant speak for CG). Catholic does not get 45 players from around the region they get to choose from to come play football. Catholic gets Players from the feeder school systems and they are almost exclusively Catholic. The "School Boundries" you say constrain Public but not Catholic is a myth. We have a 30 mile boundary because of the lack of population density of the Catholic community in the Charlotte area. Basically we should have around the same number of eligible Catholic atheletes in that area as Public schools have in there areas. I cant answer for the Catholic schools around the country that obviously recruit big time programs, just none of what you describe above happens at Catholic. So its just a lie to fool people into thinking Catholic is doing thing they absolutely are not doing and have not done.
As of today. I believe Mallard Creek is zoned for the best athlete's in Charlotte. I believe Highland Creek is one of the largest sub-division in the State, approximately 13,000 residents They have at least 6 new apartment complexes within 2 miles from the school that are just opening, A lot of new real-estate in the area also. 85% of the parents are college graduates, and have great resources. Of course if they are able to go into different counties, they would probably be better. Palmieri knew he had something special in the area when he 1st arrived. When my son was in the 9th grade, they had so many kids try out for JV, they tried to run kids and make them quit. They had over 150 kids tryout for JV. Through the success they've had throughout the years. The numbers decrease, because a lot of them were afraid to tryout. I've watched Catholic get off the bus a few times. They look like NASA interns. They might have access to lots of counties, but they're not good at recruiting, if that's what they're doing. I have no clue where you recruit 5'8" 150lb DB'S. The only thing that keeps Hough competitive, is that they recruit like the privates you speak of. Over 50% of their starters, live nowhere near Cornelius.
They get mad when you call them out about it.I won't deny Charlotte Catholic has some advantages over your run of the mill public schools. I also won't deny our football program has some distinct disadvantages to some of the larger richer schools in the area (and yes a few of the publics in North and South Charlotte are much wealthier on average than Catholic) including having much larger ADM's of athletes to chose from and far superior facilities(Ardrey Kell, Marvin Ridge, Weddington, Myers park and Hough jump most Immediately to mind).
At least you admit its an advantage. For someone to say its 30miles is not entirely correct. 30miles and bordering counties.
Although Mater Dei plays some elite Public schools. Their conference is basically private or Catholic schools. Btango probably knows more about these schools. Are these all private schools?
| School Name | *W-L | *Pct. | *PF | *PA | W-L | Pct. | PF | PA | Strk |
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| Mater Dei | 5-0 | 1.000 | 255 | 91 | 12-0 | 1.000 | 548 | 152 | 12 W |
| Centennial | 5-0 | 1.000 | 329 | 38 | 11-1 | 0.917 | 662 | 130 | 1 L |
| St. John Bosco | 4-1 | 0.800 | 179 | 100 | 10-2 | 0.833 | 454 | 226 | 1 L |
| Mission Viejo | 3-0 | 1.000 | 132 | 25 | 9-2 | 0.818 | 390 | 218 | 1 L |
| Los Alamitos | 5-0 | 1.000 | 230 | 63 | 9-2 | 0.818 | 459 | 234 | 1 L |
| Servite | 3-2 | 0.600 | 204 | 103 | 10-3 | 0.769 | 527 | 211 | 1 L |
| Norco | 4-1 | 0.800 | 226 | 99 | 8-3 | 0.727 | 440 | 293 | 1 L |
| Santa Margarita | 2-3 | 0.400 | 113 | 186 | 6-5 | 0.545 | 288 | 318 | 1 L |
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My sentiments exactly. If Cardinal Gibbons or Catholic played Mater Dei Schedule, they would most likely go 0-12
We are just so far apart in how we see problems vs how to handle them. The basic difference is if our football program has an advantage, even it out and let em play. You think they cant play together. I would like a society that doesn't see wealth, income or color just what you accomplish. I don't like dividing kids in grade school by economics and ethnicity (I understand the hypocrisy of that statement while defending private schools), but I think sending kids to a religious oriented school for a religious edutaction is MUCH different than sending your kid to a rich private school for advantage.
Mater Dei, SJB, and Servite are Parochial. The others are public.
Went to practices at Bishop G with a friend. He and his business partner's kids played there and they donated a lot of money to the school. Top of the line facilities with medical and rehab setup you would see at an ACC school.
I am not talking specifics just in general. CG doesn't give teams a lot of chances. Very disciplined and well coached. Most of the time you need to play your A game because the opportunities will be few.
Well said. They are completely different types of schools. Entirely different beast. Too much evidence showing sports domination with the current set up. They need a 5 mile radius for athletes. Any student can attend but to play sports be within a 5 mile radius of the school.
Not trying to nitpick, but isn't it Catholicism?
