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Do you really think the pool of candidates for those two jobs would be similar? I don’t.
Not necessarily, but I mean I'm sure a few would be interested. Maybe not the top guys, as crazy as it sounds to say that with Butler, there's a lot that needs to be addressed with that situation in a now short period of time to be competitive next season.
Anytime you mention Butler, Tripp Stone comes to mind. I have no idea if he would still want the job now or not.
It's a tough job now, there will be a new AD and the overall talent is not what it used to be. I'd imagine the principal would be highly involved - maybe more so than usual given the AD situation. Parents were not happy is what I've heard, so there's potential of some influence there too.
Word is Hales is around to run Spring ball and bringing back a bunch of his previous staff at least for spring.
I posted about this back in March based off what I heard. I am not surprised.
Everyone talked about how great of a hire this was. Yet, here we are.
First losing season since what their first year?
Think we all know the wrong decision was made here. Tripp Stone was the obvious choice.
First losing season since what their first year?
Think we all know the wrong decision was made here. Tripp Stone was the obvious choice.
Crazy what talent and a locked in culture will do for you. Took over Chambers from Brand and the results were great.
Butler had talent last year not Chambers championship talent. The defense needed help from the offense because of what was returning. Installing a spread offense on a team that didn’t have the personnel to run it was a mistake. Lawrence wasn’t a threat to run it and Butler wasn’t good at run blocking up front in that scheme so it was a predictable offense to scheme for and consequently Lawrence got hurt. Getting three and outs didn’t help a young defense who needed the help.
Since the offense was loaded with seniors and Hales was still around I probably would have kept elements of the Hales offense then transition to the spread for next year. I think they would’ve been a better running team which could’ve helped the defense and not be as easy to scheme for.
The Weddington defense didn’t believe Lawrence would pull the ball and run so Lawrence was running for his life until he got hurt getting sacked. When the backup came in who is more of a dual threat, Weddington was caught off guard and had some issues defending it.
They were talented enough to almost beat Irmo and had a chance to beat Weddington but they weren’t as buttoned up and prepared as a Hales led team. Not sure if the parents and alumni got over the Rolesville game and that was the first impression. I was curious to see what Ferebee would do with a roster that wasn’t going to be very talented next season.
Since the offense was loaded with seniors and Hales was still around I probably would have kept elements of the Hales offense then transition to the spread for next year. I think they would’ve been a better running team which could’ve helped the defense and not be as easy to scheme for.
The Weddington defense didn’t believe Lawrence would pull the ball and run so Lawrence was running for his life until he got hurt getting sacked. When the backup came in who is more of a dual threat, Weddington was caught off guard and had some issues defending it.
They were talented enough to almost beat Irmo and had a chance to beat Weddington but they weren’t as buttoned up and prepared as a Hales led team. Not sure if the parents and alumni got over the Rolesville game and that was the first impression. I was curious to see what Ferebee would do with a roster that wasn’t going to be very talented next season.
Just needed a bus driver with the talent Chambers had at that time.
I never thought or said that it was a great hire. Videos on social media don't win football games.
Stone should have been the choice.
I think most people questioned the hiring. Bigdad was one of the few that thought it was a great hire. Butler traditionally hired from within and they had an amazing coaching staff to pick from so the decision was questionable. I am of the opinion that Brand would have eventually won at Chambers based off the insane amount of talent they had. I think people felt Ferebee is a good coach but there were questions on how good he was.
FALSE. Clearly stated they should have gone with Stone and even noted WC bringing in Helms after Knotts over a proven asst. on staff. Hiring Tripp Stone was a no brainer, but since they didn't I felt Ferebee would do very well at Butler if given a chance. Will readily admit I didn't fully quantify the change in culture aspect, or factor in how Butler's talent was not remotely similar to Chambers. Also Ferebee came into a situation where he and everyone else knew that the parents/alumni/supporters/players wanted TS.
Coach Ferebee is a great coach but this is a lesson on compatibility and making the smart hire vs. splash hire. Also on taking a complete staff vs. integration of staff. When Ferebee got to Chambers he mostly retained a great staff. At Butler it was like starting over.
Shuford, Newsome, Hales, to TS made too much sense. But Ferebee if given a chance would have had Butler high octane. Take away the first two games Butler played fairly well. As mentioned above the Rolesville game was an absolute program killer loss.
AAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhh.......the parents.
You didn’t think the Ferebee hire was a great hire for Butler at the time? Both can be true meaning you can feel Stone was the logical hire but think Ferebee was a great hire. My understanding was you liked the hire but I could be wrong.
Can agree with that. Stone was the logical and best choice. They passed on Stone. Ferbee was a great hire all things considered. Stone just made too much sense.
What a total disaster ignited by the former AD. It was so simple but he put his stamp on it with a major change.
I have a question
We have seen it time n time again
Why do Schools pass on the obvious choice then they eventually regret it later? like U would think schools would learn from others mistakes so they dont fall into the same situations/issues that others did.
you reap what you sow so will see what happens
We have seen it time n time again
Why do Schools pass on the obvious choice then they eventually regret it later? like U would think schools would learn from others mistakes so they dont fall into the same situations/issues that others did.
you reap what you sow so will see what happens
My understanding is Hales is helping out so I would imagine he is trying to get some assistants back. Blaine was a offensive lineman at Butler who graduated in 2005, he had been on the staff for years.
Bluedevil1996
Butler had success hiring from within it didn’t make sense to hire someone from outside unless it was a Tom Knotts or Palmieri. I feel bad for the seniors because I would have loved to see what Lawrence would look like under Hales in his third year.
Bluedevil1996
Butler had success hiring from within it didn’t make sense to hire someone from outside unless it was a Tom Knotts or Palmieri. I feel bad for the seniors because I would have loved to see what Lawrence would look like under Hales in his third year.
Happens in lots of organizations all the time. The board looks at a resume and believes they have a great new hire. Disregard the culture that has been in place for two decades and it ends up a disaster. Some places need a new hire with new ideas and new energy. Butler wasn't one of those places. There is a decent chance Ferbee is successful in other spots. In the end the kids and parents didn't buy what he was selling or how he was selling it.
Brian Hales named interim HC
Pretty sure he didn’t plan to be coaching in the spring of 2025 either. 😂
Similar to Greg Williams at Richmond who was interim before Brad Denson was hired.
I would hope they would hire the coach from the staff he is bringing in. I am curious who he is able to get back.
Never thought hiring Ferb was ever a bad idea. He’s had a winning track record wherever he was, but he also had a track record of jumping ship. If you were to ask me, I thought the obvious hire was Stone. He already had an established relationship with the players and most likely would’ve retained all if not, most of the staff. Including an important piece of Lawerence’s development, Littlejohn, who went on to be an important piece in WC championship last season. I think the thing that frustrates me the most is Satterfield, the AD, made the decision to bring in Ferb instead of stone, and now they’re both gone. Leaving Hales, who wasn’t even an entire calendar year retired from coaching, to pick up the pieces. I wish Stone got at least got 1 more year with those seniors. It was clear after that week 1 embarrassment that the Seniors were not bought into Ferb’s philosophy.
Although the first game was awful, I did think they competed well against Irmo and probably should have won that game. They had a chance against Weddington. The personal foul penalties at the worst times really hurt them and didn’t get any positive momentum for the season. I feel bad for the seniors.
And things like that are the reason why not hiring stone was so baffling. Hales and stone preached avoiding unnecessary personal fouls. I was totally okay with the showboating and pregame antics, even though it wasn’t really Butlers culture. Players expressing themselves has never been a problem in my opinion, but you could tell that encouraging that behavior bled onto the field with unnecessary penalties. The potential was there no doubt. To take the Sc state runner ups and the 4a state champs down to the wire was impressive. They honestly did everything to win that irmo game, just ran out of gas. Curious to see how a couple more seasons with ferb would’ve played out. I don’t anticipate Hales to stay long term, but I do think he’ll play a part in the hiring of the next HC this time around.
