All-time top 4A Teams

[Deana_King]

Fun topic that should get a lot of attention and comments. Now, I know some teams have played some years in different classifications, but this is for their time in 4A.

Who are the top 4A programs of all-time?

 

[PagePirates44]

There are a few criteria that should be looked at when determining this

All-time winning %, overall wins, and # of State Championships

Just off the top of my head, I would say.. Richmond County, Page, Butler, Indy

 

[Vik-Val 86]

Independence, Richmond Co comes to mind.

 

[PagePirates44]

Richmond County Raiders
520-117-5
81.4% Winning Percentage
7 4A State Championships

Page Pirates
483-218-9
68.7% Winning Percentage
5 4A State Championships - 2 4A Runner-up

Independence Patriots
412-250-2
62.2% Winning Percentage
7 4A State Championships - 1 4A Runner-up

Butler Bulldogs
262-76-0
77.5% Winning Percentage
3 4A State Championships

Mallard Creek Mavericks
157-46-1
77.2% Winning Percentage
3 4A State Championships - 1 4A Runner-up

Rose Rampants?
I don't have accurate overall wins and winning percentage on them, but 5 4A State Titles and 1 4A Runner-up

Wake Forest Cougars?
I don't have accurate overall wins and winning percentage on them, but 3 4A State Titles and 3 4A Runner-up

 

[CatScratchFever23]

As soon as I saw this thread these teams came to mind. Richmond County, Independence, Page and Greenville Rose.

 

[Raiders 4 real]

Richmond Indy Page Creek Butler

 

[Raiders 4 real]

Got to put Wake forest in there also.

 

[FUN N' GUN]

Richmond being 403 games over .500 all time is a pretty stout statistic.

 

[mpj2k8]

Richmond County Raiders
520-117-5
81.4% Winning Percentage
7 4A State Championships

Page Pirates
483-218-9
68.7% Winning Percentage
5 4A State Championships - 2 4A Runner-up

Independence Patriots
412-250-2
62.2% Winning Percentage
7 4A State Championships - 1 4A Runner-up

Butler Bulldogs
262-76-0
77.5% Winning Percentage
3 4A State Championships

Mallard Creek Mavericks
157-46-1
77.2% Winning Percentage
3 4A State Championships - 1 4A Runner-up

Rose Rampants?
I don't have accurate overall wins and winning percentage on them, but 5 4A State Titles and 1 4A Runner-up

Wake Forest Cougars?
I don't have accurate overall wins and winning percentage on them, but 3 3A State Titles and 3 4A Runner-up

62% winning percentage while having a winning streak that was over a 100 tells me at their peak Indy was special for 8 years outside of that time period they were pedestrian. They had a great coach, players and run but is Indy a great program? I don’t think so but I went to Butler so I might be biased.

 

[87SwO]

62% winning percentage while having a winning streak that was over a 100 tells me at their peak Indy was special for 8 years outside of that time period they were pedestrian. They had a great coach, players and run but is Indy a great program? I don’t think so but I went to Butler so I might be biased.

It was great for eight years lol

 

[Chopper747]

Indy, Richmond, Page, Butler, W. Charlotte, New Bern, Crest, MC

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

New Bern has had a nice little run in 4A dating back to the last 20 seasons. 7 State Championship appearances in that timeframe while winning 4 State Championships.

 

[Blue and Gold22]

Really depends on what the criteria is. I've never really thought won loss % was a good metric. Way different levels of competition both in conferences and out.

 

[Raiders 4 real]

Forgot got to put new bern in there also.

 

[PagePirates44]

Really depends on what the criteria is. I've never really thought won loss % was a good metric. Way different levels of competition both in conferences and out.

It's one of the only metrics we have.

 

[PagePirates44]

Based on championships New Bern is in the conversation, for sure. It's just harder to base what they've done on wins because of different classifications.

 

[PagePirates44]

Most of Crest's success has been in the 3A ranks.

 

[Reynoldsrocks2]

Not real sure of our records or win percentage but from 1980-present we have been to a at least one state championship game in each decade (‘89, ‘99, ‘02, 09, ‘17) 3 4A titles and having 2 runner up finishes. I feel that is sustained winning program. Probably not to be considered the best but surely among the best.

Edit: We haven’t been to state title game in the 2020 decade yet, but have been successful in the playoffs this decade.

 

[PagePirates44]

Not real sure of our records or win percentage but from 1980-present we have been to a at least one state championship game in each decade (‘89, ‘99, ‘02, 09, ‘17) 3 4A titles and having 2 runner up finishes. I feel that is sustained winning program. Probably not to be considered the best but surely among the best.

Edit: We haven’t been to state title game in the 2020 decade yet, but have been successful in the playoffs this decade.

I was super close to adding AC Reynolds but I just wasnt sure based on the data I had.

 

[Vik-Val 86]

Same for me about AC Reynolds. I felt like they were a program for recognition

 

[portcity FB]

New Hanover
538-403
57% winning percentage
4 State championships
I do not feel NH is one of the best programs in the state but here are some interesting numbers. They are one of the oldest and when they have had good coaching they have always been solid. Four championships is four championships.

 

[portcity FB]

Overall I still feel RC is at the top.

 

[mpj2k8]

Independence, Mallard Creek and Richmond count for about 20-25 of our 76 losses if I were to guess.

Crest and AC Reynolds had some powerful 4A teams as well.

 

[SEC-Patriot]

Thank God Deana didn't ask about a dynasty...

 

[BlackKnightNut]

Thank God Deana didn't ask about a dynasty...

That won't stop them...

 

[Chute Boxe Hero]

Top tier.......Page, Richmond, Indy

Just below......Butler, Mallard Creek, New Bern

 

[DudleyPowerHouse2002]

Can the the

Most of Crest's success has been in the 3A ranks.

The Dboyz is like Crest , we've also had success in the 4A ranks. I know we're not a 4A team currently, but since we're also speaking on the past I'll throw Dudley's 2013 and 2016 4A state champs hat in there.

 

[CatholicCougs14]

Can the the

The Dboyz is like Crest , we've also had success in the 4A ranks. I know we're not a 4A team currently, but since we're also speaking on the past I'll throw Dudley's 2013 and 2016 4A state champs hat in there.

Went against both those teams. Both really really strong teams. Well coached and disciplined. I do agree with comparison to Crest with 4A success

 

[Greengold_4ever]

It is a shame there isn't a place to find historical information regarding programs. Carolina Preps is still a good source. Rose and New Bern basically have years missing when it comes to season records. Wish there was a centralized data location. Maxpreps only goes back so far. So I agree with what has been said about hard topic to discuss with so many variables and possible criteria.

Being the homer I am, Richmonds numbers are ridiculous. They have had 2 losing seasons in 50 years. Butler is the only school that is close to that, with 1 losing season in 25 years. 7-1 in Championship games and lost to the Champ in 5 of their 7 Regional finals loses (2 to Indy in 03 &04).

This pains me to say this but.....even though they don't have the titles....Scotland county is 434-212 with only 7 losing seasons since 1967. That is pretty stout.

 

[btango]

It is a shame there isn't a place to find historical information regarding programs. Carolina Preps is still a good source. Rose and New Bern basically have years missing when it comes to season records. Wish there was a centralized data location. Maxpreps only goes back so far. So I agree with what has been said about hard topic to discuss with so many variables and possible criteria.

Being the homer I am, Richmonds numbers are ridiculous. They have had 2 losing seasons in 50 years. Butler is the only school that is close to that, with 1 losing season in 25 years. 7-1 in Championship games and lost to the Champ in 5 of their 7 Regional finals loses (2 to Indy in 03 &04).

This pains me to say this but.....even though they don't have the titles....Scotland county is 434-212 with only 7 losing seasons since 1967. That is pretty stout.

CP is being updated weekly. One man show and it is a bit tedious.

 

[Greengold_4ever]

CP is being updated weekly. One man show and it is a bit tedious.

Chris and Deana both do an amazing job grateful for their passion and contributions. Didn't mean to infer any slight regarding their work. I wish the schools themselves were more forth coming and better historians to make their jobs easier. It is a big state with new schools popping up throughout so i do not envy the task they face.

 

[btango]

Chris and Deana both do an amazing job grateful for their passion and contributions. Didn't mean to infer any slight regarding their work. I wish the schools themselves were more forth coming and better historians to make their jobs easier. It is a big state with new schools popping up throughout so i do not envy the task they face.

I know you were not knocking CP! People have asked so just a good spot for an update.

 

[Greengold_4ever]

btango you heading to Colquit County or staying local Friday night?

 

[btango]

btango you heading to Colquit County or staying local Friday night?

I think game is Saturday. I just got back from five weeks out of town so I am a bit noncommittal at this point. Some good games in the area , too. There was a time I would have been there without question but getting old is hell.

 

[Blue and Gold22]

I think game is Saturday. I just got back from five weeks out of town so I am a bit noncommittal at this point. Some good games in the area , too. There was a time I would have been there without question but getting old is hell.

I hear ya....plus, so damn hot

 

[beamer24]

It is a shame there isn't a place to find historical information regarding programs. Carolina Preps is still a good source. Rose and New Bern basically have years missing when it comes to season records. Wish there was a centralized data location. Maxpreps only goes back so far. So I agree with what has been said about hard topic to discuss with so many variables and possible criteria.

Being the homer I am, Richmonds numbers are ridiculous. They have had 2 losing seasons in 50 years. Butler is the only school that is close to that, with 1 losing season in 25 years. 7-1 in Championship games and lost to the Champ in 5 of their 7 Regional finals loses (2 to Indy in 03 &04).

This pains me to say this but.....even though they don't have the titles....Scotland county is 434-212 with only 7 losing seasons since 1967. That is pretty stout.

There used to be a site headed up by a guy from AC Reynolds. It may have just been western NC but it had great data. The guy who ran it passed away a few years ago.

 

[mpj2k8]

There used to be a site headed up by a guy from AC Reynolds. It may have just been western NC but it had great data. The guy who ran it passed away a few years ago.

I remember that site, it was well done

 

[PagePirates44]

Yeah, gobiggreen.net was the site, it only went so far back though. I think to 2002.

 

[Reynoldsrocks2]

There used to be a site headed up by a guy from AC Reynolds. It may have just been western NC but it had great data. The guy who ran it passed away a few years ago.

Thanks for the kind words on my brothers website and his hard work to make it the best it could be. I remember him spending all weekends updating scores and records for each conference. It was his life and he so enjoyed it. I miss him so much not being on the sidelines doing stats with me. Sorry to be a downer but he was my brother! Thanks again for the kind words, we all miss him.

 

[PagePirates44]

Thanks for the kind words on my brothers website and his hard work to make it the best it could be. I remember him spending all weekends updating scores and records for each conference. It was his life and he so enjoyed it. I miss him so much not being on the sidelines doing stats with me. Sorry to be a downer but he was my brother! Thanks again for the kind words, we all miss him.

I loved that site. Used to look at it a lot. I even tried going to it a few days ago when I was looking for some statistics for this thread, and quickly remembered it wasn't up anymore, and I remembered your brother. He was a great piece of our NC HS FB community and will always be remembered fondly.