1A 1A West Boys Bracketology

[ObserveAndReport]

Here's a first draft of what I think 1A West Boys would look like based on the RPI that just came out. It's based on a couple of assumptions that could change things. First, there are a few conferences that are up in the air IMO (WHC, Metro 8, NWC for sure) and somebody else winning and going in with the 1s could change things. Maybe more significantly, I assumed the 1A rep from a couple of split conferences (YVC and Catawba Shores) would finish either top 3 overall or .500, so as to get seeded with the 1s instead of the at larges. The top 1A teams are currently right around .500 and 3rd/4th place, so that could also change. I also didn't mention #2 finisher automatic berths because I don't think it matters if they're seeded with the at larges. Basically I put potential champs 1-11 based on their RPI, and then the #2s and at larges 12-32 based on their RPIs.

1-BSMC #1 Hayesville (1)
32--Mtn Island Charter (32)

16- North Stokes (10)
17- Queen's Grant (13)

8- WHC #1 Draughn (17)
25- Corvian Community (22)

9- Catawba Shores #1 Christ The King (27)
24- Murphy (21)

4- Central Carolina #1 Thomasville (4)
29- Langtree Charter (26)

13- Bishop McGuinness (6)
20- Cherryville (16)

5- NW #1 South Stokes (8)
28- Alleghany (25)

12-Swain (5)
21- Cornerstone (18)

3- NW Piedmont #1 WS Prep (3)
30- Andrews (29)

14- MA (7)
19- Avery (15)

6- SPC #1 Bessemer City (11)
27- Eastern Randolph (24)

11- Metro 8 #1 Carolina International (31)
22- TJCA (19)

7- LSMC #1 Hiwassee Dam (12)
26- Cherokee (23)

10- YVC #1 Albermarle (28)
23- Mitchell (20)

15- North Rowan (9)
18- Mountain Heritage (14)

2- Piedmont #1 Uwharrie Charter (2)
31- Bethany (30)

 

[wncbowhunter]

Maybe I am way wrong and there is a longgggg way to go but looks to me that Mitchell should be ahead of Avery and Mt. Heritage “right now”. They are currently leading the conference.

Go Mountaineers

 

[ObserveAndReport]

Maybe I am way wrong and there is a longgggg way to go but looks to me that Mitchell should be ahead of Avery and Mt. Heritage “right now”. They are currently leading the conference.

Go Mountaineers

I put Draughn in the 1-line as the WHC champ because they had the head to head over Mitchell and both have one conference loss. But they also haven't played Mountain Heritage at all yet and have the second Mitchell game left. So WHC is one of the conferences that I think could shake this up. If Mitchell were to get put in as the #1 from the WHC (and all else the same), I think they'd be the 8 seed. But as far as them needing to be ahead of Avery and MH, I think that's an issue for the RPI makers. Heck, on the girls side the #1 RPI may not even win their conference, then would go in as like the 12 seed.

 

[97Cougar]

I put Draughn in the 1-line as the WHC champ because they had the head to head over Mitchell and both have one conference loss. But they also haven't played Mountain Heritage at all yet and have the second Mitchell game left. So WHC is one of the conferences that I think could shake this up. If Mitchell were to get put in as the #1 from the WHC (and all else the same), I think they'd be the 8 seed. But as far as them needing to be ahead of Avery and MH, I think that's an issue for the RPI makers. Heck, on the girls side the #1 RPI may not even win their conference, then would go in as like the 12 seed.

Still a lot of important games to be played on the girls side as well. We have rosman and mitchell again and draughn twice. Could be a lot of movement over the next couple weeks.

 

[TD-FridayNight]

Way to early. Some teams have only played maybe 3 conference games.

 

[ObserveAndReport]

Way to early. Some teams have only played maybe 3 conference games.

On the one hand, you're right that there's still a lot up in the air. On the other hand, it isn't that early. Only 2-3 weeks left, but packed with games.

 

[97Cougar]

On the one hand, you're right that there's still a lot up in the air. On the other hand, it isn't that early. Only 2-3 weeks left, but packed with games.

Yep we will be playing 3 to 4 per week. I know this is the boys thread but I’m commenting on the girls side of it so I apologize on that note.

 

[ObserveAndReport]

No need to apologize. I think Hayesville has 10 games in 16 days. SMC does a week and a half long tourney, which makes it tough when a lot of games need rescheduling.

 

[97Cougar]

No need to apologize. I think Hayesville has 10 games in 16 days. SMC does a week and a half long tourney, which makes it tough when a lot of games need rescheduling.

I’m not even sure if we will get a WHC tournament if we do it may just be 1 vs 2

 

[wncbowhunter]

I put Draughn in the 1-line as the WHC champ because they had the head to head over Mitchell and both have one conference loss. But they also haven't played Mountain Heritage at all yet and have the second Mitchell game left. So WHC is one of the conferences that I think could shake this up. If Mitchell were to get put in as the #1 from the WHC (and all else the same), I think they'd be the 8 seed. But as far as them needing to be ahead of Avery and MH, I think that's an issue for the RPI makers. Heck, on the girls side the #1 RPI may not even win their conference, then would go in as like the 12 seed.

Credit where credit is due. You nailed this one as Draughn throttled Mitchell last night. Totally took Mitchell out of their game. Hopefully Mitchell will recover and win out during conference play.

 

[bulldog nation2014]

Here's a first draft of what I think 1A West Boys would look like based on the RPI that just came out. It's based on a couple of assumptions that could change things. First, there are a few conferences that are up in the air IMO (WHC, Metro 8, NWC for sure) and somebody else winning and going in with the 1s could change things. Maybe more significantly, I assumed the 1A rep from a couple of split conferences (YVC and Catawba Shores) would finish either top 3 overall or .500, so as to get seeded with the 1s instead of the at larges. The top 1A teams are currently right around .500 and 3rd/4th place, so that could also change. I also didn't mention #2 finisher automatic berths because I don't think it matters if they're seeded with the at larges. Basically I put potential champs 1-11 based on their RPI, and then the #2s and at larges 12-32 based on their RPIs.

1-BSMC #1 Hayesville (1)
32--Mtn Island Charter (32)

16- North Stokes (10)
17- Queen's Grant (13)

8- WHC #1 Draughn (17)
25- Corvian Community (22)

9- Catawba Shores #1 Christ The King (27)
24- Murphy (21)

4- Central Carolina #1 Thomasville (4)
29- Langtree Charter (26)

13- Bishop McGuinness (6)
20- Cherryville (16)

5- NW #1 South Stokes (8)
28- Alleghany (25)

12-Swain (5)
21- Cornerstone (18)

3- NW Piedmont #1 WS Prep (3)
30- Andrews (29)

14- MA (7)
19- Avery (15)

6- SPC #1 Bessemer City (11)
27- Eastern Randolph (24)

11- Metro 8 #1 Carolina International (31)
22- TJCA (19)

7- LSMC #1 Hiwassee Dam (12)
26- Cherokee (23)

10- YVC #1 Albermarle (28)
23- Mitchell (20)

15- North Rowan (9)
18- Mountain Heritage (14)

2- Piedmont #1 Uwharrie Charter (2)
31- Bethany (30)

Great job. I was interested to see some picks just to see how the rpi’s worked on seeding with all the split conferences now.

 

[ObserveAndReport]

Credit where credit is due. You nailed this one as Draughn throttled Mitchell last night. Totally took Mitchell out of their game. Hopefully Mitchell will recover and win out during conference play.

Thanks. Styles make fights, I guess, and for whatever reason it seems like Mitchell doesn't match up well with Draughn... but I think the WHC is still far from over with Draughn and MH playing back to back games at the end of the season. May turn you Mitchell guys into Mountain Heritage fans. At least for a few days.

 

[bulldog nation2014]

Has anyone seen any 1a west girls playoff projections?

 

[ObserveAndReport]

Has anyone seen any 1a west girls playoff projections?

I sketched it out, but then Cherokee beat Murphy and threw it all out of whack before I put it up.

 

[bulldog nation2014]

I sketched it out, but then Cherokee beat Murphy and threw it all out of whack before I put it up.

Lol pretty much how this season as a whole is going 😂

 

[ObserveAndReport]

Based on the RPI updates tonight, here's how I think it would shake out if the playoffs started today. RPI seems to love the SMC and NWC and hate the Metro 8.


1- Big Smoky #1 Hayesville (1)
32- Robbinsville (32)

16- Mountain Heritage (11)
17- North Rowan (12)

8- WHC #1 Draughn (14)
25- Mitchell (22)

9- Metro 8 #1 Carolina International (26)
24-TJCA (21)

4-Piedmont #1 Uwharrie Charter (4)
29-Alleghany (27)

13- Bishop McGuinness (6)
20-Cherryville (17)

5- SPC #1 Bessemer City (8)
28- Andrews (25)

12- Mount Airy (5)
21- Corvian Community (18)

6- NW #1 South Stokes
27- Eastern Randolph (24)

11- YVC #1 Albemarle (31) (NOTE: Not in top 3 of split, but 1 game above .500 overall)
22- Murphy (19)

3- NW Piedmont #1 WS Prep (3)
30- Langtree Charter (28)

14- Swain (7)
19- Queens Grant (16)

7- Little Smoky #1 Hiwassee Dam (13)
26- Cherokee (23)

10- Catawba Shores #1 Christ The King (29) (NOTE: Not .500 but in top 3 of split).
23- Avery (20)

15- North Stokes (10)
18- Cornerstone Charter (15)

2- Central #1 Thomasville (2)
31- Bethany (30)

 

[ObserveAndReport]

Updated for this week. Kind of interesting that several teams would have road trips to schools with worse RPIs than them in the first round.

A few things that could shake things up:

1) if playoffs started today, Albemarle would not get seeded with the #1s, and would go in as the #32 seed (their RPI) because even though they're the top 1A in their split, they're not in the top 3 overall and their overall record is one game below .500. However, 3 of their last 4 games are against teams they already beat by 20+ points, so that made me confident enough they'd finish .500 that I put them with the #1s. But if they don't win 3 of 4 to finish out, they drop from 11 to 32, a bunch of teams move up a little, and basically every matchup changes.

2) The #1 1A in the WHC will be decided by the teams having a home and home in the last week of the season, which is pretty crazy. Since they're tied and don't have a head to head yet, I just put the team with the highest overall win % as the #1 at this point (Mountain Heritage). But if Draughn wins that could mix things up.

1- BSMC #1 Hayesville (1)
32- Eastern Randolph

16- North Rowan (12)
17- Draughn (14)

8- LSMC #1 Hiwassee Dam (13)
25- Mitchell (23)

9-Metro 8 #1 Carolina International (22)
24- Andrews (21)

4- Central Carolina #1 Thomasville (5)
29-Bethany (27)

13- Bishop McGuinness (7)
20- Cherryville (17)

5- NW #1 South Stokes (6)
28- Cherokee (26)

12-Mount Airy (3)
21- Queens Grant (18)

6- SPC #1 Bessemer City (9)
27- TJCA (25)

11-YVC #1 Albemarle (32)
22-Murphy (19)

3- Piedmont #1 Uwharrie Charter (4)
30- Christ The King (28)

14- Swain (8)
19-Corvian Community (16)

7- WHC #1 Mountain Heritage (10)
26- Alleghany (24)

10- Catawba Shores #1 Mountain Island Charter (30)
23- Avery (20)

15-North Stokes (11)
18- Cornerstone (15)

2- NW Piedmont #1 WS Prep (2)
31- Robbinsville (29)

 

[Chute Boxe Hero]

C'mon ER. Sneak in there....

 

[ObserveAndReport]

Albemarle losing to South Stanly is probably going to mean they can't get seeded with the 1-seeds because they didn't finish top 3 overall in the split or .500, and will drop them from #11 to one of the last seeds. Going to shake this whole thing up. Will revise this weekend.

 

[bulldog nation2014]

Albemarle losing to South Stanly is probably going to mean they can't get seeded with the 1-seeds because they didn't finish top 3 overall in the split or .500, and will drop them from #11 to one of the last seeds. Going to shake this whole thing up. Will revise this weekend.

Probably drops them to what 28-32 area?

 

[ObserveAndReport]

Probably drops them to what 28-32 area?

Their RPI is 32, so I would guess that's where they would land if they didn't get seeded with the #1s. Long drive from Albemarle to Hayesville.

 

[ObserveAndReport]

I don't love the way it's shaking out currently--lots of teams that have already seen each other playing again early. But it is what it is.

1-BSMC #1 Hayesville (1)
32-Albemarle (#1 1A in YVC but seeded with WC because neither .500 nor top 3 in split) (32)

16-Mountain Heritage (13)
17-Cornerstone Charter (15)

8- LSMC #1 Hiwassee Dam (14)
25- Robbinsville (25)

9- Metro 8 #1 Carolina International (18)
24- Avery (23)

4- Piedmont #1 Uwharrie Charter (5)
29- Mountain Island Charter (29)

13- Swain (9)
20- Murphy (19)

5- NW #1 South Stokes (7)
28- Alleghany (28)

12- Bishop McGuinness (6)
21- Corvian Community (20)

6- SPC #1 Bessemer City (8)
27- Cherokee (27)

11- Mount Airy (4)
22- Mitchell (21)

3- Central Carolina #1 Thomasville (3)
30- Thomas Jefferson (30)

14- North Rowan (10)
19- Queens Grant (17)

7- Draughn (11)
26- Bethany (26)

10- Catawba Shores #1 Christ The King (24)
23- Andrews (22)

15- North Stokes (12)
18- Cherryville (16)

2- NW Piedmont #1 WS Prep (2)
31- Eastern Randolph (31)

 

[bulldog nation2014]

I don't love the way it's shaking out currently--lots of teams that have already seen each other playing again early. But it is what it is.

1-BSMC #1 Hayesville (1)
32-Albemarle (#1 1A in YVC but seeded with WC because neither .500 nor top 3 in split) (32)

16-Mountain Heritage (13)
17-Cornerstone Charter (15)

8- LSMC #1 Hiwassee Dam (14)
25- Robbinsville (25)

9- Metro 8 #1 Carolina International (18)
24- Avery (23)

4- Piedmont #1 Uwharrie Charter (5)
29- Mountain Island Charter (29)

13- Swain (9)
20- Murphy (19)

5- NW #1 South Stokes (7)
28- Alleghany (28)

12- Bishop McGuinness (6)
21- Corvian Community (20)

6- SPC #1 Bessemer City (8)
27- Cherokee (27)

11- Mount Airy (4)
22- Mitchell (21)

3- Central Carolina #1 Thomasville (3)
30- Thomas Jefferson (30)

14- North Rowan (10)
19- Queens Grant (17)

7- Draughn (11)
26- Bethany (26)

10- Catawba Shores #1 Christ The King (24)
23- Andrews (22)

15- North Stokes (12)
18- Cherryville (16)

2- NW Piedmont #1 WS Prep (2)
31- Eastern Randolph (31)

So question if this after the conf tourney they take all of this stuff into account or as of end of regular season?

 

[ObserveAndReport]

I'm not sure, but I do know the RPI don't say FINAL yet.

 

[bulldog nation2014]

I'm not sure, but I do know the RPI don't say FINAL yet.

I seen where the RPI was updated this morning

 

[Hon Dines]

I seen where the RPI was updated this morning

A lot of games being played today. Some at 7:30 PM
Games in conference tournaments county in the RPI's

 

[wncbowhunter]

I know this isn the right place, but hoping someone will see it here….

Congrats to Tim Hollifield of Mitchell for putting up 50 last night. He was 11-12 from 2 point land, 8-16 from 3 and 4-5 foul line. Second school record on the yr. Hit 9 3’s earlier This yr.

Go Mountainears

 

[97Cougar]

I know this isn the right place, but hoping someone will see it here….

Congrats to Tim Hollifield of Mitchell for putting up 50 last night. He was 11-12 from 2 point land, 8-16 from 3 and 4-5 foul line. Second school record on the yr. Hit 9 3’s earlier This yr.

Go Mountainears

That’s awesome congratulations to him.

 

[KW23]

So games in conference tournaments count in rpi?

 

[bulldog nation2014]

So games in conference tournaments count in rpi?

That’s what I’m seeing. Which means rpi won’t finalize probably until late Friday or Saturday morning. A lot of movement could happen still

 

[therealsquid]

I know this isn the right place, but hoping someone will see it here….

Congrats to Tim Hollifield of Mitchell for putting up 50 last night. He was 11-12 from 2 point land, 8-16 from 3 and 4-5 foul line. Second school record on the yr. Hit 9 3’s earlier This yr.

Go Mountainears

Wow...50...Congratulations to the young man!!!!

 

[ObserveAndReport]

The new RPI this morning has Starmount moving in and Thomas Jefferson falling all the way out from #30. Starmount upset of Alleghany in conference tournament ended up being huge, along with Thomas Jefferson ending the season in a free fall. Lost 10 of last 11 after starting 11-2 and 2-1 in their league. The difference between Eastern Randolph, Starmount, and Thomas Jefferson for the last two spots is a frog's hair but looks like they're now all eliminated from their tournaments so change unlikely (although I guess still possible with the OWP and OOWP being impacted by teams still alive?)

 

[ObserveAndReport]

This is based on the RPI posted at 7AM today, although they still don't say FINAL.

1-BSMC #1 Hayesville (1)
32-Starmount (32)

16-Mountain Heritage (13)
17-Corvian Community (15)--Big jump after beating Carolina Int'l to win their tourney

8- LSMC #1 Hiwassee Dam (14)
25- Robbinsville (25)

9- Metro 8 #1 Carolina International (17)
24- Avery (24)

4- Central Carolina #1 Thomasville (4)
29- Alleghany (29)

13- Swain (9)
20- Cherryville (19)

5- NW #1 South Stokes (6)
28- Cherokee (28)

12- Bishop McGuinness (7)
21- Murphy (21)

6- SPC #1 Bessemer City (8)
27- Bethany (27)

11- Mount Airy (5)
22- Andrews (22)

3- Piedmont #1 Uwharrie Charter (3)
30- YVC #1 Albemarle (30)--seeded as WC b/c 4th overall in split and below .500

14- North Rowan (10)
19- Queens Grant (18)

7- WHC #1 Draughn (10)
26- MIC (26)

10- Catawba Shores #1 Christ The King (20)
23- Mitchell (23)

15- North Stokes (12)
18- Cornerstone Charter (16)

2- NW Piedmont #1 WS Prep (2)
31- Eastern Randolph (31)

 

[therealsquid]

This is based on the RPI posted at 7AM today, although they still don't say FINAL.

1-BSMC #1 Hayesville (1)
32-Starmount (32)

16-Mountain Heritage (13)
17-Corvian Community (15)--Big jump after beating Carolina Int'l to win their tourney

8- LSMC #1 Hiwassee Dam (14)
25- Robbinsville (25)

9- Metro 8 #1 Carolina International (17)
24- Avery (24)

4- Central Carolina #1 Thomasville (4)
29- Alleghany (29)

13- Swain (9)
20- Cherryville (19)

5- NW #1 South Stokes (6)
28- Cherokee (28)

12- Bishop McGuinness (7)
21- Murphy (21)

6- SPC #1 Bessemer City (8)
27- Bethany (27)

11- Mount Airy (5)
22- Andrews (22)

3- Piedmont #1 Uwharrie Charter (3)
30- YVC #1 Albemarle (30)--seeded as WC b/c 4th overall in split and below .500

14- North Rowan (10)
19- Queens Grant (18)

7- WHC #1 Draughn (10)
26- MIC (26)

10- Catawba Shores #1 Christ The King (20)
23- Mitchell (23)

15- North Stokes (12)
18- Cornerstone Charter (16)

2- NW Piedmont #1 WS Prep (2)
31- Eastern Randolph (31)

are the regional finals at the higher seed or a neutral site?thanks

 

[Hon Dines]

are the regional finals at the higher seed or a neutral site?thanks

In the past they have been played at a neutral site. Usually at a community college.
here where they have been in the past before they switched it up for Covid:
Eastern regional championships will be played at Minges Coliseum at East Carolina University in Greenville and at Capel Arena at Fayetteville State University. Western regional championships are slated to be held at Shuford Gymnasium at Lenoir-Rhyne University and Tarlton Complex at Catawba Valley Community College in Hickory.

 

[Smokymntfan]

This is based on the RPI posted at 7AM today, although they still don't say FINAL.

1-BSMC #1 Hayesville (1)
32-Starmount (32)

16-Mountain Heritage (13)
17-Corvian Community (15)--Big jump after beating Carolina Int'l to win their tourney

8- LSMC #1 Hiwassee Dam (14)
25- Robbinsville (25)

9- Metro 8 #1 Carolina International (17)
24- Avery (24)

4- Central Carolina #1 Thomasville (4)
29- Alleghany (29)

13- Swain (9)
20- Cherryville (19)

5- NW #1 South Stokes (6)
28- Cherokee (28)

12- Bishop McGuinness (7)
21- Murphy (21)

6- SPC #1 Bessemer City (8)
27- Bethany (27)

11- Mount Airy (5)
22- Andrews (22)

3- Piedmont #1 Uwharrie Charter (3)
30- YVC #1 Albemarle (30)--seeded as WC b/c 4th overall in split and below .500

14- North Rowan (10)
19- Queens Grant (18)

7- WHC #1 Draughn (10)
26- MIC (26)

10- Catawba Shores #1 Christ The King (20)
23- Mitchell (23)

15- North Stokes (12)
18- Cornerstone Charter (16)

2- NW Piedmont #1 WS Prep (2)
31- Eastern Randolph (31)

They still have to move a few teams around if they stay with the leap frog rule. Robbinsville will be ahead of Andrews and Murphy.

 

[ObserveAndReport]

Before COVID, they were playing 1A mens at CVCC in Hickory, which is actually a really nice facility. D2 SAC actually used to play its conference tourney there. May be a little on the small side (2000 seats or so) depending on who makes it. But usually you see a press release like this 2019 one early in the year announcing the sites, and I haven't seen anything like that yet. So maybe they haven't finalized the site yet. But there's a rule in the handbook (4.3.3(d)) that says neither team can practice in the gymnasium of the basketball regional final, which I think would make it tough to play it at the higher seed, unless they could amend that somehow.

 

[ObserveAndReport]

They still have to move a few teams around if they stay with the leap frog rule. Robbinsville will be ahead of Andrews and Murphy.

My understanding of the way they're now using the leapfrog rule is just that you can't get in the playoffs if somebody finishing ahead of you in the conference doesn't, but if you both get in you can get seeded ahead of them if your RPI is higher. Unless they're seeded with the #1s (like the South Stokes/Mount Airy situation).

 

[Smokymntfan]

My understanding of the way they're now using the leapfrog rule is just that you can't get in the playoffs if somebody finishing ahead of you in the conference doesn't, but if you both get in you can get seeded ahead of them if your RPI is higher. Unless they're seeded with the #1s (like the South Stokes/Mount Airy situation).

Thank you. I was wondering how that worked

 

[Chute Boxe Hero]

So....the latest prediction has Eastern Randolph traveling to WS Prep. Yeah, that'll be fun.........