Why are teams in the West and East so different?
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Wake Forest won it! You guys were eliminated on the first day, didn't even qualify for the actual tournament.
I guess they game would have been 0-0, because Shelby would not have made it past mid field.
You guys were good, but beneficiaries of this split division crap. You did not face Huss, Monroe, Northside, or Shelby, super athletic teams. The best team you guys faced was North Rowan who will be 1A this upcoming season, along with Edenton Holmes.
Your state championship run consisted of beating two cupcake mountain teams, and two 1A teams in North Rowan and EH, an exposed and overrated Lincolnton team, a team who was worst than a wet paper bag filled with groceries, defensively.
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La you picked l town though lol. Lincolnton and North Rowan both had pretty good teams.
Play dumb all you want, you are good at that. Well, dumb and conceited. But Shelby's illustrious 4 peat came only after a 3 peat of 6 loss seasons, which you seem to have forgotten...
2010- 8-6
2011- 8-6
2012- 9-6 (Ware's First Year)
Now, my initial question was simply asking if transitioning to the spread was during the 6 loss seasons Shelby had, which it partly was. However, the Shelby "we are better than the 72 Dolphins Chest Beaters" crowd, the same ones that devalues and put down ANY accomplishment from ANY other team in the WORLD, got butt hurt that someone remembered them losing 6 games during the move from wing to to spread.
But none of this matters, because there is not a bit of humility or humbleness in anyone that wears or pulls for the gold and black in Cleveland County. Not a bit. Can't tell you guys anything, because you are too busy sniffing your own a$$es 24/7.
Man...someone seems a little jealous.
Thank you for explaining. I really had no clue what you were talking about. Ware's first season as head coach was 2011.
Funny you left this off and let me correct you:
2010 - 9-6 Lost in the Western Finals (wing-T)
2011 - 9-6 Lost in the Western Finals (spread)
2012 - 8-6 Lost in the third round (spread)
Of the 18 losses 13 were to 3A teams. So would you rather go 13-1 and lose in the third round or go 9-6 and lose in the Western Finals? Who cares how many loses there were?
2011 There is no doubt we would have won another 'ship if we were still running the Wing-T. We did not have the personnel to run the spread. We did have two RBs that are listed as top 10 all time best Shelby running backs. Had we "Key(ed)" on them more, we would have beaten West Stokes and went on to win the 'ship.
2012 Who knows.
We have said all along that if the spread needed to be introduced then to get us where we are now then so be it. We now and for the last 4 years have had the personnel to run it.
Never jealous, the school I pull for aint too shabby either.
The 6 losses/spread correlation was just about how a long time running team, even as good and talented as SHS, can have some hicups when changing systems. Obviously, it's transitioned well since the first year.
In answer to original question Darkhorse04 apparently it is because 72 State Champion turns EVERY thread into a Shelby history lesson and all other HS are just awed by this therefore causing their defensive and offensive schemes to be rendered useless whether from the east or west or north or south.
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Whatever!!!! An undefeated championship is just what is it. Ask the rest of those teams that did not do it. Also there are 19 of them in the case. Like it or not we don't give a $#!+
Lot of eastern teams' coaches refuse to get better as coaches. They settle into the same thing they did, or the previous coach did, 10-15 years ago. SW Edgecombe-Cobb retires so the school hires his son. Same offense, same defense, no change whatsoever. Tarboro being the exception, what they do works every year and will do even better this year as Wallace Rose-Hill and James Keenen have moved up. But, with the speed in Tarboro. a little bit of spread would do wonders. Southern Nash-Ridiculous offense that takes away the talent. Double wing an run the ball 98% of the plays. Run some sort of spread when they have to pass. SN best player, A VT signee, caught 7 passes for over 200 hundred yards and 4 td's. In 12 games! He needs ten touches each game. Some coaches just will not get out of their comfort zone.
I have to respectfully disagree alot of Eastern coaches have had success and if its not broke why fix it Phil Padgett at SW Onslow before he retired Battle Holley at East Duplin, Joey Price at Wallace Rose-Hill before leaving Bob Lewis at Clinton James Lewis at Lakewood,Lenon Fisher at East Bladen before retiring and contining with Robbie Priest taking his place James Avent at James Kenan plenty of really good coaches out East
Not saying there are not good coaches in the east as there are plenty. I did give Wallace and Keenan their just due. The teams I mentioned could do better by utilizing the team speed. That is the issue.
I still think there are a larger number of high caliber teams in the west. 32-8 in the 21st century is a big difference. Thats 32-8 . So they must be doing ALOT of things right in the west.
Reidsville has won 6 state titles in the 2lst century....and FOUR OF those came with us representing the EAST....and the city of Reidsville is a long ways from being considered in the eastern part of NC..................
I believe it was 5 from the East. You guys couldn't win from the West until the easy path this past year....luckily you didn't have to go up against Huss, Monroe or Shelby.
This is more accurate statement...
*luckily Huss, Monroe, and Shelby didn't have to go against Reidsville.
You guys got me cutting and pasting from board to board and I really don't care except it is fun to poke holes in flawed and biased logic:
Thought about this for a while and have a little time so let's look a little more at this statement:
Huss scared the !@#$ out of Shelby in playoffs until 4th quarter. Think most of the fans have admitted they were talented as even you do in various posts by saying they would walk through teams from east.
Huss beat South Point by 5 in regular season.
Overhyped Lincolnton beat South Point in OT by 1. And also beat East Lincoln (at their place by 7) a team that beat Huss in 1st game of year.
Overhyped Lincolnton lost to Reidsville 28-7 in 4th round?
To say Reidsville couldn't compete with these teams is both ludicrous and myopic.
It just seems the West has so much more confidence when they play a team from the east. Maybe it's level of competition. Just wanted to start a discussion and hear some opinions. Well my opinion is just that. AN OPINION. Schools the west and central parts of the state never know just which eastern team will show up in the SC game. They could be literally a world beater or just an average team that wouldn't have made it out of the first round in any other bracket. This is because they play among themselves and rarely if ever venture out of their region at all. I remember Clinton one year got to the SC game and didnt play another team up to that point that wasnt in their conference, or that they hadn't already played in the regular season. I dont know how this is even possible. There's just no good way to judge a team on that basis. As for schemes, good athletes will perform no matter what the scheme. Look at Tarboro. They run an offense of the 50s, and WIN with it on a regular basis. Then look at Shelby...Ran the very best Wing T I have ever seen in the 2000s to what, 3 straight titles and a fourth title game. Then they took up the spread wide open attack and did it equally as well, if not better with equal success. Well coached athletes are the recipe...The rest is just salt and pepper.
Base on the well coached talented players theory I guess the west has overall better players, better coaches, or both.
You were referring to the 2005 season we played Conference foes Richlands in round 1 and East Duplin round 2 took a break and played Farmville Central Round 3 before once again playing a conference foe Northside Jax in the eastern championship....credit to the competition in the ECC in the mid 2000s had a couple teams that could of represented the East....we went on to beat Lincolnton in the title game that year
Question. Didnt you play Farmville Central in the regular season as well? I agree that it could be a credit to the ECC in that era that there were so many strong teams so no argument there. But it could also give the impression that there just arent that many teams, strong or weak, in the East to begin with. This reinforces the point that it is just difficult for the outsider to determine the overall strength of the region. I mean when you get a team like Shelby in the title game you know they have had to beat some well known quality teams just to get TO the title game.. Even if you are in the most remote hamlet in eastern NC if you follow HS football, you know who and where Shelby is. The same is just hard to say about the eastern teams. Or at least seems to me, regardless if they are super bowl quality teams or just average. It is a coin toss most years.
And i have to disagree with that last part of your post....if you really follow HS football in NC you should know about some of these Eastern Programs.....Remember last year some western guy asked Who was East Duplin?Not sure if he was just being a jacka$$ or if it was really a legit question.But if you really follow football you know who East Duplin is Southwest Onslow,Clinton,Wallace Rose-Hill,East Bladen,South Columbus,Tarboro,Northside Jax....i respect great programs thruout the state sometimes it seems like most western guys Knowledge and respect of NC HS football stops somewhere between Greensboro and Raliegh like the Eastern part of the state is incapable of producing great teams coaches and players
We know the east is capable of producing great teams BUT....
32-8 says the west produces a greater teams
The reality of it all is this. Reidsville fans and others will give Shelby credit for having a good program. However, the shelby fans will never give credit to any other programs. If other teams win, its always a reason given other than (you guys can play also). I don't know how this year will go as of now. The depth doesn't appear to be as deep but, last year Our Rams were ready for anyone that got on the field with us.
Thats not true, dont lump all Shelby fans into the "never give credit statement...Simply not a fair statement
That would be akin to me saying : All Crest fans have one tooth.... Whilst there is some factual information to base that statement, it would be unfair to put the entire unwashed fanbase into same said category...... LOL
SL think he is mostly referring to the rather boisterous and emphatic "champion" of your favorite HS.
He occasionally can rub a few the wrong way...
Go figure.
Oh no no no sir...we give credit where credit is due. You guys seems to secretly appoint yourselves something you most certainly are not....
