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Why are teams in the West and East so different?

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We read on here about Shelby, South Point, linconlnton, etc. in the west and we hear about Clinton, Jacksonville NS, Wallace Rose Hill.

What makes teams from the West and East so different. Is it style of play like offensive and defensive schemes or is it just athletes in general.

It just seems the West has so much more confidence when they play a team from the east. Maybe it's level of competition. Just wanted to start a discussion and hear some opinions.

Personally, I think it has to do with Scheme. West guys tell me this, do any teams that contend for titles run an old style offense like Wing-T or Fullhouse that is so run oriented? I would guess not.
 
Don't know any teams in this immediate area (Triad) that run wishbone, wing t...double wing or anything like that....Ironically Reidsville ran the Wishbone for years ,,,mid 70's on....Jimmy Teague came to Reidsville in 1992 with the spread....and the rest is history as they say.............if you have athletes to run a spread type offense...it's very difficult for a lot of h.s. teams to come up with enough athletes to offset it.....especially if they are not used to seeing it a lot..............
 
beamer24 said:
South Point runs a wing t.
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Ask South Point what happens when they have played spread teams as of recently. One of their biggest posters started a thread a few months back, "How Do You Stop the Spread". They were fortunate to go on their championship run last season playing teams that mirrored them. It played right to their advantage.
 
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Darkhorse04 said:
We read on here about Shelby, South Point, linconlnton, etc. in the west and we hear about Clinton, Jacksonville NS, Wallace Rose Hill.

What makes teams from the West and East so different. Is it style of play like offensive and defensive schemes or is it just athletes in general.

It just seems the West has so much more confidence when they play a team from the east. Maybe it's level of competition. Just wanted to start a discussion and hear some opinions.

Personally, I think it has to do with Scheme. West guys tell me this, do any teams that contend for titles run an old style offense like Wing-T or Fullhouse that is so run oriented? I would guess not.
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It's the scheme, bruh, just as you said. When you run that dated offense, and go against a team with equal or better athletes, you're going to be in trouble, more often than not. That team is simply going to load the box, and take you out of your comfort zone.

The Spread offsets that. It involves more athletes, not putting the onus completely on the backfield, the quarterback and backs. Now, you have receivers, often the best athletes on the team involved. Ain't no putting everyone in the box to defend that. Now, opponents have to defend the entire field, which opens up everything, and doesn't leave you one dimensional, just my opinion.
 
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Ask South Point what happens when they have played spread teams as of recently. One of their biggest posters started a thread a few months back, "How Do You Stop the Spread". They were fortunate to go on their championship run last season playing teams that mirrored them. It played right to their advantage.
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I agree but just saying it can be done. Most wing t teams cannot pass nor stop the pass which has hurt Hibriten in the past. But that option offense is hard for most teams to defend.
 
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WRH has the athletes to run it well. And they could also be a very good spread team. Usually the philosophy of running the Wing T is to utilize a good core of backs, help undersized lineman with blocking angles, and control the tempo of the game. Ground and pound as they say. It is especially valuable if you have a young QB that needs basic passing reads or lots of run/pass options. I've run both spread and Wing T, and it is great if you can line up in the T, then shift to a spread attack. Gotta have the athletes to do that. WRH has them for sure. You see more I, Offset I, Flexbone, Wing T, and triple option schemes in the west, or west of Statesville I would say.
 
The west has a longer list of high caliber teams, the east list is short. Last season the west had 5-6 teams that could have won both 2A/2AA titles.
 
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Its possible for a wing t team with a stout defense to beat a spread team.....i played on a team like that in 2005.....we played Lincolnton we got off one really good offensive drive Nick Cooper ran it from like 70 yards out 3rd play of the game.....we played good hard nose defense tackled in space pressured the QB forced some turnovers and our punter kept them in horrible field position all day....ultimately won the game 13-6 thanks to a pick 6 by Jamel.......it can be done
 
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Southwest beat Shelby in the early 2000's running the triple option against there spread. It is all about execution.

This is just my opinion on difference and it is only an opinion. I think the West tries new schemes because of being in Triad and Triangle(guess triangle is considered west and east depending on the years) and having large colleges in there back yard helps in learning new styles.

East now has become spread happy also, but still the traditional ground and pound are the ones getting represented in 2a lately, although Northside Jacksonville offers a nice balance, I guess there offense is considered pro-style as they are very balanced.

As someone mentioned WRH can and has destroyed teams with wing T and 2a will get a chance to see how this year. Southwest Onslow has won with the wing T and so has Clinton. I don't disagree the west has been dominate, but all of the west seems to want to take the credit for Shelby's championships. Just because they have beaten the east recently does not mean all the other weak western schools can.
 
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superstar57 said:
Southwest beat Shelby in the early 2000's running the triple option against there spread. It is all about execution.

This is just my opinion on difference and it is only an opinion. I think the West tries new schemes because of being in Triad and Triangle(guess triangle is considered west and east depending on the years) and having large colleges in there back yard helps in learning new styles.

East now has become spread happy also, but still the traditional ground and pound are the ones getting represented in 2a lately, although Northside Jacksonville offers a nice balance, I guess there offense is considered pro-style as they are very balanced.

As someone mentioned WRH can and has destroyed teams with wing T and 2a will get a chance to see how this year. Southwest Onslow has won with the wing T and so has Clinton. I don't disagree the west has been dominate, but all of the west seems to want to take the credit for Shelby's championships. Just because they have beaten the east recently does not mean all the other weak western schools can.
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They will correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure Shelby ran the Wing T and was run oriented when they lost to SWO back then.
 
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Shelby wasn't a spread team in 2004 when SWO beat us.... We were still running Coach Norman's flexbone Buck Series style offense... We would get into shotgun occasionally however...

Shelby was a wishbone team when they won their titles in 86/87 then Flexbone when they won in 98,2005, 2006 Went to the Spread/ Air Raid style when Coach Ware took over ...

I think the difference in our Championships before the Ware era of Air Raid was that we were not only a running team we could also throw it when or if we needed to throw it...

The difference in our last four teams is that in the 2a level we have primarily run up against running teams and we have had the defense to stop it/slow it down to make them have to try and throw it .... Not to mention the unbelievable run of athletes we have had recently... Its cyclical, so eventually our run will "run out" but we will always be competitive....

To the original thread topic/question..: Recent times it seems the West has leaned more toward opening up the field with Spread etc.... East mostly run style offenses... Either way you look at it, you have success no matter the offense if you have the personnel to run it

Clinton, SWO, Plymouth teams of that sort running the power running game very successful
South Point with their redbone very successful

Good thread...
 
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Darkhorse#34 said:
Its possible for a wing t team with a stout defense to beat a spread team.....i played on a team like that in 2005.....we played Lincolnton we got off one really good offensive drive Nick Cooper ran it from like 70 yards out 3rd play of the game.....we played good hard nose defense tackled in space pressured the QB forced some turnovers and our punter kept them in horrible field position all day....ultimately won the game 13-6 thanks to a pick 6 by Jamel.......it can be done
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I was at this game, and it was a very impressive defensive ballgame the entire game.... I loved watching those two battle it out that day
 
Shelby Lion, my bad that was Burlington with Brandon Tate. sorry about that, but overall I stand by what I was trying to say witch was no matter the scheme who executes the best generally wins.
 
Chopper747 said:
The west has a longer list of high caliber teams, the east list is short. Last season the west had 5-6 teams that could have won both 2A/2AA titles.
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Those kind of comments generally are what gets me fired up about talking east and west. You did not have 5-6 teams that could beat Clinton or Northside, the list of high caliber teams is debatable, but I can give you that. I could throw in E Duplin last year and say that they would have been very competitive against anyone in 2a the key word being competitive. Small 2a east was terrible and there is nothing for me to defend there last year however.
 
superstar57 said:
Those kind of comments generally are what gets me fired up about talking east and west. You did not have 5-6 teams that could beat Clinton or Northside, the list of high caliber teams is debatable, but I can give you that. I could throw in E Duplin last year and say that they would have been very competitive against anyone in 2a the key word being competitive. Small 2a east was terrible and there is nothing for me to defend there last year however.
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Completely agree. Honestly think WRH could have won the small 2A last year
 
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I can agree with the Wallace comment think about two of the schools that played in the 2A/2AA eastern finals East Duplin and South Columbus...Wallace beat both 17-7 and 40-0 respectively.....im no advocate for Wallace being a Clinton fan but i do think them moving up to 2A will make the 2A east alot tougher them and James Kenan once they get it back together
 
Didnt Kevin Motsinger run spread at New Hanover??? Wallace wing t days may be over.....#5 their QB last year had a cannon and was very accurate if they had some WRs they might have beat us
 
Darkhorse#34 said:
Didnt Kevin Motsinger run spread at New Hanover??? Wallace wing t days may be over.....#5 their QB last year had a cannon and was very accurate if they had some WRs they might have beat us
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Mott is a spread guy but I think he is smart enough to realize what he has in front of him and still use the Wing. Also if the offensive coordinator is still there which I assume he will be the Wing-T will run just as smooth. He knows it basically as good as Price does. Really was never too impressed with #5 just my opinion. #3 for them will give teams nightmares though.
 
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Mott is a spread guy but I think he is smart enough to realize what he has in front of him and still use the Wing. Also if the offensive coordinator is still there which I assume he will be the Wing-T will run just as smooth. He knows it basically as good as Price does. Really was never too impressed with #5 just my opinion. #3 for them will give teams nightmares though.
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#3 J. Williams is my preseason pick for ECC player of the year.....dont think i saw a kid stick our big fullback like he did all year TWICE!!!.....kid is fearless
 
DuplinCountyTiger said:
Who's supposed to be the 2A west powerhouse? Reidsville?
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I am having a friendly conversation right now with someone taking up for Reidsville. I think next year small 2a at least from the eastern stand point will get a lot better. WRH is still strong and all reports are that James Kenan is on there way back but may take them another year, Southwest Onslow MAYBE is on the verge of making some noise again, there conference schedule should at least make there record look good, and I am unsure who Holmes brings back or even if they are still 2a but that could be interesting.
 
WRH would not have beat Reidsville or Lincolnton

Clinton nor NSJax would NOT have beat Huss or Monroe Clinton would not have stayed within 3 touchdowns of Shelby. I dare say East Lincoln could have beaten both NS and Clinton by a TD. I stand by that.
 
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Yea Kenan is a lottery ticket this year I don't know what product we will get but I know not to expect what we had 2012-2015. Could be a good surprise or bad problem. Things will start trending up again by 2018. Wouldn't be surprised to see SWO make noise.
 
Chopper747 said:
WRH would not have beat Reidsville or Lincolnton

Clinton nor NSJax would NOT have beat Huss or Monroe Clinton would not have stayed within 3 touchdowns of Shelby. I dare say East Lincoln could have beaten them both by a TD. I stand by that.
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WOW!! debatable! I like the WRH team of two years ago better, but last years team was impressive also.
 
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Salem, VA is a powerhouse in Virginia. They've won multiple titles against spread schemed teams from the VA Beach Tidewater area. They run a version of the wing. Very much smash mouth control the line of scrimmage. They are also very good on defense. I've watched them play. Nothing fancy but very effective. To be successful, you better have one hell of a defense. Control the clock and not play from behind
 
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I really think WRH would have definitely won 2a last year. Who represented the east last year? Holmes.. enough said!
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Wallace Rose Hill wouldn't score 14 on Reidsville last year. They certainly wouldn't have stopped us from scoring. I honestly and truly believe Reidsville and Shelby would have won any division other than 4a 4aa and it would only be a depth issue.
 
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Wallace Rose Hill wouldn't score 14 on Reidsville last year. They certainly wouldn't have stopped us from scoring. I honestly and truly believe Reidsville and Shelby would have won any division other than 4a 4aa and it would only be a depth issue.
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Really hope they meet up this year so you can realize you are wrong
 
First, you mentioned last year and we heard all year long about what they would do to us. They didn't period.
Second, this is a new year and glad to see new blood in 2A overall.
Third, I think we will be very good this season. I'm not sure we'll be as good as last year because that was a team that doesn't come around but so often. Fourth, ask anyone who watched us play last year and they'll tell you.
 
This is why Northside Jacksonville would have been a though out is because they could play in a variety of different ways, any weakness a team had Northside solid "Not Great", but solid enough at so many things that they could beat you off your own weakness, and they actually had 3 athletic receivers and 2 were actually good. lol.

Clinton on any given night would just beat you up, and with there veteran RB and there bowling ball of a FB they were going to stay in any game because they could control the clock.

WRH is going through a great run of athletes just like Clinton did for a stretch and SWO did so I would put those guys up against anyone, Country boys with freakish speed and strenght "THAT IS A EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA THING" and WRH has it by the truck load right now!
 
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NS had some athletes now WR #5 was only a sophmore he pretty much beat us him and that QB.....NS Jacksonville always seemed to be super athletic even back when i played went from football to basketball and dominated went undefeated and won state.....they should compete in 3A
 
This thread is turning out to be a good conversation piece as we all wait for August to hurry up and get here. All of Clintons titles have either been out of the Wing-T (Coach Mallard) or Fullhouse/T (Coach Lewis). Every time Clinton has lost a state title it is because we couldn't run against the other team and was forced to pass and the West teams know how to defend the pass because so many teams run spread. When we lost to Cummings in 06' they were a spread team with big old receiver named Dwight Jones, he didn't have one catch maybe in that game because we went nickel/dime to stop the pass and they ran for over 200yrds on us because we were out manned because they had us so spread out. Same when we lost to Shelby recently, they beat us with the run because we knew they could pass and both teams shut us down by focusing on the run and we couldn't pass. Balance is the key in my opinion. Spread isn't balanced if it's run only, or pass only. The best offenses can do both, spread or Tight formation based. I think Clinton may try to open it up more this year but who really knows, all I know is we almost had a 1000yrd passer last year but when we had to pass, had to being the point of that line, we struggled i.e. 3rd round vs NSJax.
 
In my opinion all offensive schemes will work with the proper execution and personnel as stated above defense can over come any weakness and keep it close
Watched a very good wing t team win a state ship this past year only difference between them and the ones I love they put the qb about 5 yards off the ball and passed when they wanted 4a I think .their defense kept the ball in the offenses hands
Loading the box should not stop the offense all these "old out dated offenses " can be thrown out of and a few gains on a pass play can back off most defensive coordinator. problem comes when you only throw the ball when you have to you dont become very proficient at it but doing things because you want to makes you way more confident .
Clinton, wrh,and Ed are always looking to beat you up and enjoy doing it that way all three have the personnel to throw the ball as good as anyone these teams don't use that ability enough in game situations to become confident but they can win their games throwing 1 maybe 2 times a game or maybe none watched Clinton years ago win and I don't think they ran outside of the tackles more than 2or3 times its what they do and do it well the offenses are fine maybe need to use them more balanced
 
Darkhorse04 said:
We read on here about Shelby, South Point, linconlnton, etc. in the west and we hear about Clinton, Jacksonville NS, Wallace Rose Hill.

What makes teams from the West and East so different. Is it style of play like offensive and defensive schemes or is it just athletes in general.

It just seems the West has so much more confidence when they play a team from the east. Maybe it's level of competition. Just wanted to start a discussion and hear some opinions.

Personally, I think it has to do with Scheme. West guys tell me this, do any teams that contend for titles run an old style offense like Wing-T or Fullhouse that is so run oriented? I would guess not.
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I think the different is scheme,having the athletes,and being out coached. Last season for instant in the Holmes/Reidsville championship game Holmes best two defensive linemen didn't even play in the game they played O/L all game and 95pct. of the season. In the championship game you always play your best players especially on defense. By not playing them on defense doing the season really hurt them as far as recruiting went.
 
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