West Charlotte at Hickory
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No concerns. The NCHSAA guidelines have changed from how brackets were drawn up in 2021-current and are only based on ADMs now or West Charlotte would have been in 4A and Hickory 3A from 2021-current. Someone higher up than me must have had concerns. Sorry to digress. Let's get back to talking about the shutout
False. WC played 4A with 3A numbers for years. Please stop the false narrative. WC has done worse at every sport except football since being 3A.
They won the state championship in 3A basketball only a couple of years ago.
Trust me, we didn't want to be in 3A. Being in it has been an embarrassing to the ego of the alumni.
I’ve saw you type this a lot on here. Please explain what you’re trying to prove. Ie. A 12 year old playing 13 or 14u ball is accepted but a 14 year old playing 12-year old ball is definitely a different scenario.
It is accepted that people can move up a classification but playing down due to government math/formulas is a flawed system. I’m not talking about their current numbers because I know how Charlotte’s population is exploding and can cause massive swings in enrollment. However, Dudley and West Charlotte should have never been playing 3A ball the past 4-years simply because 1-eligible student should be counted as 1 eligible student in the ADMs. Free lunch, Cup points should have never factored in.
I don't know if that's the case or not, but the man said you've "done worse at every sport except football since being 3A", which is just not the case.
What did WC gain by playing down? If anything, we lost. Our student athletes want to play against the best competition available. Unfortunately that's more in larger classifications than smaller. Aside of that, the last classification based on ADM alone put us in 3A. We had 1,400 students then.
If ADM matters so much, why are 3A schools playing 2A AND 3A schools in the regular season. Heck, Erwin played a 1A and lost to them. 🤷🏽♂️
That’s called non-conference scheduling and has nothing to do with this topic. Scheduling who you want and playoff classes are two different topics. Yes, I know you had 1400 students the last realignment and thus should have been 4A.
If you are saying WC lost out by playing down and everyone else is saying that WC having 600 more students than some schools they play in the 3A playoffs is an unfair advantage, then I believe you are arguing that we all agree. Correct?
I’m not saying WC or Dudley did anything wrong, unless they were “politicking” to be down a classification, simply saying the system was flawed which it appears you agree with.
There is no agreement from me. We played in 3A because we had 3A ADM numbers. Dude or gal, Myers Park has nearly 3,500 students, 1,100 more than WC. Should we go complaining about that big o a difference as well. Should Myers Park and Ardrey Kell just be put in a classification of their own? There and minimum and maximum classification thresholds. Why is this even being talked about????? Hickory is now experiencing some growth as well. In the next 4 years they may end up in 7A or even 8A. Y'all really whine about things that don't even deserve time or energy.
Dude or gal,
Your argument is complete bullcrap but yet you keep defending it like you are John the Baptist announcing the coming of Christ.
You all had 1500+ students in every ADM during the last 4-years. Factor in State Cup points and and ISP%, and yes you may arrive at 1400 students through a formula but I’m sorry I think all humans should be counted as humans, rather than some counted less than due to their economic status. Regardless, your circular talking is confusing to say the least.
2021 realignment numbers have West Charlotte at 1577 and in 3A. AC Reynolds with 1296 in 4A, Alexander Central with 1432 in 4A and Watauga with 1462. Don't know where you got 1400 from as I pulled my numbers straight off the NCHSAA realignment data. Check your research.
You're angry about something you have no control over. Perhaps a mental health therapist can help you get beyond that.
You and some like you really need therapy. Tell me the time you went to the hallways at WC and discovered 1,500 students back then.
Doesn't matter to me whether WC wins or Hickory gets shut out or anything like that, I just hate seeing misinformation and people talking past each other. So, here are facts all pulled from the link I supplied below (other people posted similar info while I was looking this up.)
WC had 1577 students at the time of reclassification. While not a lot of students, it is squarely in 4A territory if realignment had been done by ADM only. However, in their infinite wisdom and in a spirit of social justice (which doesn't always provide equity, but that's not a topic for here right now) the NCHSAA chose to use Wachovia Cup points and Free or Reduced Lunch numbers in a formula to come up with the classifications. By my quick and dirty count, there were 21 schools with smaller ADMs than WC that were classed as 4A. I'm not going to county the number of 3A schools with higher ADMs than WC but with the provided link you can if you would like.
https://www.nchsaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Realignment-Data-Review-Post.pdf
WC had 1577 students at the time of reclassification. While not a lot of students, it is squarely in 4A territory if realignment had been done by ADM only. However, in their infinite wisdom and in a spirit of social justice (which doesn't always provide equity, but that's not a topic for here right now) the NCHSAA chose to use Wachovia Cup points and Free or Reduced Lunch numbers in a formula to come up with the classifications. By my quick and dirty count, there were 21 schools with smaller ADMs than WC that were classed as 4A. I'm not going to county the number of 3A schools with higher ADMs than WC but with the provided link you can if you would like.
https://www.nchsaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Realignment-Data-Review-Post.pdf
Hickory went from 1204 in the 2021-current data to 1195 in the 2025-2029 data. At least do some research and give some facts. The smallest 7a has 1617 kids. Smallest 8a has 2205. No whining here. Just stating facts straight off the NCHSAA realignment website and you are completely wrong in your numbers. Look it up. Don't spread false information.
Take the time to read.
Thanks for posting link.
Mr./Mrs Mdawkins70,
I am not angry, simply pointing out numbers and the flawed system we have had the last few years. West Charlotte didn’t create it they just received some benefit from it.
I have not ever went to West Charlotte and counted 1500 students just as I would say it is safe to assume that you have also never walked into any random school and walked around and counted each student one-by-one. Excellent use of a straw man fallacy for this suggestion and also a diversion for the recommendation of therapy.
It would be highly unproductive if all of us fans had to go to every high school in N.C. and count students rather than just relying on the numbers that are reported by the ADMs that are created, and reported, for this purpose.
So, what you're saying is if a school has a total population of 1,000 students and 400 are male and 600 are females it matters the same as a school with a population of 1,000 with 600 being female and 400 being female??? There's a competitive advantage for qho in the game of football????
How in the world did you get that from what he said? It literally says nothing like that at all.
I'm speechless. You are either the most obstinate person I've ever communicated with on the internet or you are pants-on-head stupid. Not sure where gender comes into this. I am now pulling for Hickory.
Go Tornadoes!
Also, I just remembered a couple minutes ago y'all came up to our little ol' gym in Franklin this past winter and beat us in the first round of the basketball playoffs by three. We outscored y'all by 12 in the second half, (almost completed the comeback) and we would have had two more home games after that if you hadn't been placed in 3A instead of 4A. Not WC's fault that y'all were placed in 3A, but it surely sucked for us that night.
I think Hickory will fare better against West Charlotte than Dudley as their offense is much more potent that Dudley's. But ultimately, I think West Charlotte will just be too much overall.
It wasn’t for “years” as you say. WC dropped down to small 4A numbers for several years and did compete one year where WC actually had 3A numbers. This was at realignment time 2020. WC’s numbers immediately climbed back up to 4A numbers after realignment and prior to the start of actually playing 3A. Those WC numbers have grown every year since. You stop the false narrative. WC was a 4A with much smaller 4A numbers for a few years than their Charlotte competitors but they were still 4A numbers.
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Hmm...that may very well be one of the worst data-backed attempts at supporting an argument I've ever encountered....I still don't understand it...
Congratulations to West Charlotte for earning the right to play in the Western finals and possibly win a state championship. I saw you win a state championship years ago and also saw you lose one as well. At this point I could care less what your ADM numbers are. Enjoy this while it last.
Please do some research. They were in the 4A final just 2 years prior, and was favored to win the 4A game but lost to a great South Central team. Add in they won 4A ships 86,91,92,99,11 and lost 4A ships in 12, 19.
That 3A title run they beat Ben Smith (formerly 4A), Central Cabarrus (formerly 4A), 71st (formerly 4A) and that CC team the highest ranked team in NC regardless of class and was nationally ranked.
-Now the full story. Since that ship they've lost 34 games, lost 2 top 100 high D1 profile transfers to rival schools, lost 4-5 D2 players to other Charlotte schools, and are not the attractive basketball program they once were. Being historically 4A and playing 3A creates a big image problem. Even if WC wins the 3A ship this year you will have some that will discount it. But it shouldn't be as a 3A ship is a great accomplishment. 95% of the 4A schools in NC could not beat Dudley at Dudley. Dudley is a great team.
-95% of the 4A schools in NC could beat WC. Just so happens that Hough and MC are in conference. Just give WC credit. They are a great team, that's very well coached. The scary thing is they will be MUCH better next year and the 2029 class is absolutely loaded.
IMHO 8A will be easier. 16 teams on your side. Sans Hough and MC who in the west can beat WC? Hough will be a tough out, but anything is possible in the playoffs. 7A includes RC, Indy, Wake Forest, Grimsley, Mooresville, Butler, weddington, Hillside, East Forsyth, and has 60 schools. Much tougher ship IMHO. so adm is not the end all be all.
-Now tell me if any of WC other sports sans football has done ANYTHING in 3A......I'll wait. Then watch and see how much better WC basketball will be in 8A.
False, WC had 3A numbers. Their adm had dropped to around 1300 for many years. Their current ADM is noted as 2033. Think 300 students were added to get them to 8A. Not sure why they were added more for reporting? Will have to ask Mr. Dawkins. so in actuality. WC should be 7A. HS OT had them at 2009 and the state has them at 2008, CMS 2033.
2016 1662 (4A)
2017 1530 (4A)
2018 1432 (4A)
2019 1332 (4A)
2020 1376 (4A)
2021 1374 (3A)
2022 1453 (3A)
2023 1674 (3A)
2024 2008(3A).
That's a whole lot of words for "it's true West Charlotte won a basketball state championship". Which counters the claim that "WC has done worse at every sport except football since being 3A." I never said a thing about whether WC was a great team or whether they deserved credit or anything like that. The football team has clearly done great things this year. And I don't actually care who plays in what classification, at least until the new one comes out, that's just what everyone has to deal with.
I also don't really care enough about West Charlotte sports to go digging through the NCHSAA records to see how they've done in other sports, but I know they sometimes get a playoff bid, often as the 32 seed, in some sports because they won the 3A portion of their conference, even though they have a losing record. I don't think that's out of bounds or anything, because that's the way the system works, but it might just be evidence against your claim as well and helped those programs. I'm pretty sure I've seen that when the baseball, softball and soccer playoff bids were announced.
But I watched WC beat Central Cabarrus at Freedom on their way to the championship, so I knew there was a fact that wasn't being stated. It is what it is.
Why TF do I want to take my time and energy researching something that doesn't benefit me one single iota of a bit? Please tell me????
The most valuable currency we have while living on this earth is TIME and once it's spent you don't get it back. If researching NCHSAA ADM numbers is how you want to spend your time that you will NEVER get back, so be it buddy! I'm sure on your tombstone your family will have, "Researcher of NCHSAA ADM Numbers" engraved on it. 😂😂😂😂
What sport did WC qualify for as a #32 seed based on being a 3A school? I'll wait............
You making my point. Too easy. Soccer. How'd they do as the #32 seed? I'll wait. lost 9 zippo. LOL. 3A has been no overall benefit to WC sports. That soccer team beat a 4A team and a 3A team and lost to multiple 3A, and 2A schools. Thanks for the assist.Just this fall in Men's soccer. Too easy.
2024 3A Men's Soccer Bracket - NCHSAA
www.nchsaa.org
That's somewhat become the point now, at least you admitted it. You don't want to do research and you do ignore facts that don't support your narrative but yet you continue to run your mouth like you know something. Kind of that "Talks the loudest, knows the least and hopes no one calls them on it, because after that, all they have is joke or a putdown-type."
And they wouldn't have made the playoffs as a 4A school. Dude, I gave you ONE example, which was a game that was only a month ago. I suspect the coach, and the athletic director would just as soon be able to go to kids and say, "we made the playoffs last year" than "we went 2-22, but at least we're 4A". Think whatever you like, but I suspect that's helpful to those programs and helps WC sports overall.
Dude, exit the vortex asap. These people have life to waste doing this. This is entertainment for them because they have nothing else to do.
If you are not willing to do the research, don't continue to say things that are completely false. You are wrong and refuse to try and learn what is correct. He posted the link. You click on it and see what it says for West Charlotte. Takes less TIME to find out the facts than it takes to type in your incorrect data.
Duh, man this is too easy. Imma sign off. WC has not gotten better one iota in any 3A sport except football. EVERYTHING else has gotten worse. So you cant claim benefit on one side but then make excuses why other teams haven't seen the same benefit if it was just an adm issue. WC football is very well coached, and cam beat 100% of 3A schools, and 95% of 4A schools. They are just a great team. Watch what happens in 8A if the staff stays intact.
Hickory by 10 is what Rowdy is saying
Plus he said WC Coach looks absolutely ridiculous with dread locks, its at least better than the man bun he used to sport he said also
I told him he seems like a really good dude, but he said "we will see whos laughing when is over " and sent me this saying it was the West Charlotte mascot
Plus he said WC Coach looks absolutely ridiculous with dread locks, its at least better than the man bun he used to sport he said also
I told him he seems like a really good dude, but he said "we will see whos laughing when is over " and sent me this saying it was the West Charlotte mascot
