Mainly, I agree with you. Transferring and open enrollment needs to stop. Open enrollment in Forsyth County needs to stop. What has happened to Carver HS football since the early 2000s is a travesty. Pretty much all due to open enrollment and kids wanting to go to Walkertown or East Forsyth. I have said it 100 times and I will say it again. It is 2024 and social media rules the day. If you are a very good player at W. or S. Guilford and your team is lousy, college recruiters will still find you and woo you. Play at the school that is in your district. If they are not good, then work hard, hit the weight room and do all you can to make them better. Of course, I realize there can be exceptions. Take Garinger HS in Charlotte. Just an awful, awful football program that doesn't seem to have much interest in getting better. If the school, administration and coaches don't want to put in the effort to get better, I can sort of see why a talented football player at Garinger may want to go to another school. Facilities can also come in to play. Carver HS in Winston has been around forever and is old. Atkins and Walkertown are newer, nicer, more modern schools. It is understandable why some kids would want to go to a shinier more modern HS as opposed to a place like Carver. PagePirates44, I know you have mentioned how Grimsley was just a ho hum program for the most part before their current dominant run. I wonder how much of that is due to transfers and kids that should have played at other schools?
Page is back doing the same thing Grimsley is doing which is why they will be good again soon. Page did the same things prior to Grimsley being good. They fell off due to coaching changes so now we have to hear this this same stuff get repeated every year from fans of teams who aren’t title contenders at the moment. Transfers and recruiting has always happened in NC and it will not change, honestly it will only get worse.
Yes, Transfers have always been a thing, but it used to be more spread out and random for different reasons. Now its just blatant and is concentrated and funneled to a handful of schools, this is not good for the health of HS ball.
Looking at recent playoff results, it’s clear that certain programs have established such a stronghold that it feels like they're practically guaranteed a spot in the finals. This not only discourages teams from smaller districts but also impacts the overall development of young athletes who may feel that their hard work won’t be enough to compete. The essence of high school sports should be about teamwork, growth, and fair competition, not just a few elite programs pulling ahead financially and athletically.
When Page is competing for titles again soon I hope you keep this same energy.
At the end of the day, it needs to be an even playing field. Some districts are very strict, and some are wide open.
I agree. I just don't ever see that happening. That's why I say open enrollment across the board.
I agree Private schools, not so much charter schools will thrive when they start paying players. They will get a lot of the talent. Right Now, Grimsley QB Faison is not getting any NIL money and I know they are serious changes to policies in Feb... he will get paid next year.
You already see that happening with privates. I don't think Charlotte Country Day does, but i believe Providence Day certainly does.
I talked to my brother in law about this (he lives in Florida). He stated that Florida has open enrollment statewide.
Coach, your former school of Parkland is an example of a have not. I think W. Forsyth's QB started out at Parkland and then transferred. How is Parkland supposed to get better when this sort of thing happens? You somehow got Parkland moving in the right direction. But now it is a disaster there, again. Not sure how they improve when kids that go there with a decent level of talent are going to run out on the Mustangs and look to go to West, East or Tabor.
Well, that is where I can feel for a kid - when they are in a situation like your son was in. Look at Garinger HS in Charlotte. What is their losing streak up to now? If a school, the administration and the coaches don't seem to care about getting better and a kid has some talent, it would be awful to play football at Garinger. Can't blame a kid going to a school like wanting to go somewhere with better coaching and an administration that wants success in football.
It also more than winning and losing. Some programs are simply not good environments to be in. I honestly never expected any coach to raise my son but I surely don’t want him in a toxic environment that goes against many things we are trying to teach him.
I don’t have all the answers and this is a very difficult situation. I think the AD needs to be at practices and make sure things are being done right and that there is a good environment. Many kids will stay if they are being taught and they feel valuable and are being treated with respect. That’s the foundation. If it’s not then get someone else in there. I don’t mind giving a coach many years to turn things around if the foundation is being laid. If not, it’s a waste of time so get another coach.
So it's good for you and your family but not the Grimsley, Hough, EF, or Weddingtons of the world? It's so hypocritical when people complain about transfers when we allow and encourage it in all aspects of life but when it comes to football it's a problem.
So it's good for you and your family but not the Grimsley, Hough, EF, or Weddingtons of the world? It's so hypocritical when people complain about transfers when we allow and encourage it in all aspects of life but when it comes to football it's a problem.
Port is quick to take jabs at New Hanover but the problem is the school board will not draw districts to fill New Hanover. I chuckle at the parent outcry’s during attempts to redraw districts.
Yes Parkland is for sure a have not school. The thing is the guy that is the head coach there was a big piece of us getting that program headed in the right direction. He(Coach Sharpe) is a great coach and fantastic human being but Parkland will never have what East Forsyth, Mt. Tabor, Reagan, West Forsyth , Reagan, North Davidson, Oak Grove has and never will. To be honest Parkland will never have what RJR has. When we took over in 2013 that year we counted 19 players starting at other schools that year that were in the Parkland district. 19 that's almost a full 2 platoon team. It is still going on and since we are using Parkland as an example it will continue as long as kids have a path to another school. For the record guys here was our record at Parkland the 6 years that I was the head coach and Coach Sharpe was the Offensive coordinator
Personally New Hanover HS would be my kind of party
You are teaching. Never understood the demographics of Wilmington area schools. You just made me a fan of NHHS. Good luck vs. Pinecrest.
AGREE!!!!! CFB is near ruined and will continue to get worse. HS football is next.
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I have never complained about kids transferring. I simply think the it should be the same for everyone.
I have never taken a jab for NH taking transfers. My point here is that I wish Hoggard to easily take kids who want to transfer there. Of course NH will gladly take what they can get. I think the playing field should be equal. If NH is as great as you say then their ADMs should be much higher.
Still Magnolia, can you clarify between "open enrollment" and "open choice"? Does this mean if a student wants to go to Hoggard due to the IB program but is in the Laney district they can apply to go to Hoggard to be a part of the IB program? Something like this, I have no problem with. My issue is when an athlete transfers to another school for no reason other than to be part of a winning program because they don't want to put in the work to make their team better. Of course, I realize their can be extenuating circumstances - a terrible and abusive coach, a kid that has a bright future as a WR but his team runs the ball 95% of the time so he cannot develop his talents.New Hanover is not open enrollment and has not been since 2011ish when the then principal Todd Finn requested that NHHS be changed from open enrollment to open choice - just like Hoggard, Ashley and Laney. The NHCS board approved this request. Frankly, I am surprised that you don’t know this Port. Do a little research before you post. Find out the difference between open enrollment and open choice. Your research will reveal that NHHS, Hoggard, Laney and Ashley are all open choice. None are open enrollment. If you want, I’ll be glad to meet you at the central office and we can get you educated.
It is true that NHHS has the Lyceum Academy. It is also true that Hoggard has the IB program. Students from out of district can apply to NHHS through the Lyceum Academy just like students from out of district can apply to Hoggard through the IB program. For the record, both the Lyceum Academy and the IB program produce stellar students, however, neither has had an impact on the success of NHHS or Hoggard football by the admission of out of district students. Further, neither program is an open enrollment opportunity. The open choice criteria still applies to all out of district applications for all high schools in the county.
Like Cat posted above, the reason the ADM numbers are lower for NHHS is that there is extreme opposition to re-districting. Every proposed re-districting plan that sends more than a small handful of Hoggard kids to NHHS is vehemently opposed by the well organized and vocal Hoggard crowd. Further impacting the NHHS ADM numbers is the fact that the NHCS has capped capacity at NHHS.
On a final note, you may want to do a little research on how many out of district players Hoggard had on their 2007 state championship team before throwing stones.
