I think SP will come out strong and finish strong against FV. I think SP will win this game 42 to 28.
SOUTH POINT VS FORSTVIEW
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Closer than you might think, if they play like the second half of Ashbrook. Offense and defense not consistent. SP 28 Forestview 14
Forestview can run and throw the ball. I daresay their pass completion will be way better than Ashbrook's if the Jaguars have trouble running the ball. Also, if they are able to shut down our run game as was done in the 2nd half last night, we will be screwed. We need a miracle this week to develop a better passing game to open up our offensive opportunities. While I still pray for us to find a pass defense, I am resigned to never seeing that happen in my lifetime.
The thing is our pass offense isn't that bad.... we just never utilize it.
Ashbrook didn't stop nothing the 2nd half. We didn't play like we can. We were just practice ing that 2nd half. We knew the game was over. But the defense got to make tackles. We have alittle passing game and we will use it against fv. We are missing a team leader on that defense. Someone needs to get fired up and get tough.
Practice time is not for game night unless we have a 40+ point lead. At that point, it can become practice because we are trying to execute something new or have replaced our starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers. Even the radio announcers (and CM is a homer, fair for the most part but still a homer) were saying that Ashbrook had figured out that mostly we were running the QB keeper in the 3rd quarter and getting nothing. Yes, the defense has to make tackles but the SP offense did not sparkle in the 2nd half aside from that first possession.
Thats what we were running most of the 2nd half qb keeper and fullback. It's not hard to stop when you know what they are running. We had the game in check for the most part.
prediction: SP 38 FV 13
FV doesn't play well against decent to good defenses. They get most of their yardage, points and reputation vs. terrible Ds in the past few years. It's a good measuring stick for SP to see just how bad our pass defense is, or if we can use the strong DL to get enough pressure to help out the back 7. Dropping our LBs 30 yards deep and waiting on contested throws from DL pressure can and has worked thus far, but nobody has attacked our biggest weaknesses of late. I'm beginning to think other coaches don't watch tape?
FV doesn't play well against decent to good defenses. They get most of their yardage, points and reputation vs. terrible Ds in the past few years. It's a good measuring stick for SP to see just how bad our pass defense is, or if we can use the strong DL to get enough pressure to help out the back 7. Dropping our LBs 30 yards deep and waiting on contested throws from DL pressure can and has worked thus far, but nobody has attacked our biggest weaknesses of late. I'm beginning to think other coaches don't watch tape?
In the not so new world of spread offenses, coverages must have a new mindset. You can not play coverages where you are loose and out numbered at the point of attack. Expecting to rally to the ball against good blocking/running athletes in space from a stand off position/alignment is begging for trouble and playing into the offense's hand.
Most zone coverages today, if executed properly, end up with a man on a man. This requires reading routes and knowing where your help is. You must not only have pressure on the passer, but pressure on the receiver as well. If an offense has 2 recievers to one side, you need 3 pass defenders out there with them. If they have 3 you have 4, etc. Play em tight and battle those receivers. The result will be many more sacks.
As long as we (SP) keep the window wide open, teams are going to jump through it.
agree Seadog. We play 70/80s pass defense vs. 2000 age passing teams. QBs actually read routes and numbers in HS these days. Lucky we play some crap throwing teams around this area. I cringe at seeing a KM (this year) or Erwin type team we've had to play in the past who knows what they are doing throwing the ball.
If anyone including a coach tells you that 70/80s pass defense is the same as it is today...he don't wanna learn the difference and that's a problem. There is more than cover 2,3 and 4. Our little loose tampa 2 coverage with a robber underneath works vs. the crap teams who just roll out and chunk it up to 2 receiver routes but won't work vs. the good ones.
If anyone including a coach tells you that 70/80s pass defense is the same as it is today...he don't wanna learn the difference and that's a problem. There is more than cover 2,3 and 4. Our little loose tampa 2 coverage with a robber underneath works vs. the crap teams who just roll out and chunk it up to 2 receiver routes but won't work vs. the good ones.
O.K. this is kind of interesting. I think any pass defense can work at any level if your guys can flat cover, but that's not the real world. That being said, if everyone takes a step in a the snap because they are keying on the run, then it doesn't matter how good your scheme is or if your guys can flat cover. On the other hand, when teams go empty with 5 receiver sets, you kind of get stuck as to what you can do cover wise.
DB31, We have the best coaches in the State, bar none. We just need a little tweak. We have the players to do it big time. Piece of cake!
O.K. you go over what you want your guys to do in practice and they've all got their cover assignments. Now you practice live. Your scout team qb is a back-up option qb. And your scout team receivers are back-up wingbacks and fullbacks who've spent their entire lives working to be option backs. Your db's win most of the time in practice. It's just the nature of things. But come game time, the best pass coverage is a good pass rush.
It's all about reading the guard tackle combo for run or pass and if pass right to the #2 receiver. It's all about releases and responsibilities. Rep those and if you get beat then at least you'll be in the same area code.
Every day in practice I would work on releases. 2 db's as guard tackle high hat low hat reads. Low hat, tight edge by the corner and alley by the safety. High hat, right to #2. My receivers were db's or one platoon skill guys. It's impossible to recreate game speed, but a good read slows everything down.
What to do about trips? What to do about empty? Remember my credo 4 on 3 and 3 on2! Now the inside defenders have contain with help in any run read. If you want to heat up the QB and you have either situation, send the contain guy on any blitz. Gotta man up, which can be dangerous. Risk v reward. In an odd front against spread with no TE, set the line in 1-4-4. In an even front, go 2s and 4s or 2s and 5s. My favorites and very arguable. I like a nested mike with sam and will as my c gap/contain players. The Sam and will are also my hook/curl guys. Never ever allow a slant which would be their responsibility in zone. In man, the same holds for the db's. On run, gap responsibility with your interior is paramount.
More to come if you want it, but I'm tired and Crest and Shelby suck!!!
More to come if you want it, but I'm tired and Crest and Shelby suck!!!
It's all good until someone blows an assignment or simply gets beat. Many coaches will just say screw it, man up the coverage, and bring the house. If the qb can escape the blitz, so be it.
Seadog...great thread! Wouldn't you also have to work on man to man coverage skills in practice as well? In my opinion, high school man coverage (out of zone) would not have to be that tight since you are dealing with high school QB's. Having your DB's on a man make for much easier post catch tackling opportunities! It also puts the pressure on the high school QB by making for a much more difficult decision making process. Really like your idea of having an additional defender per side to help any defender who gets beat in man.
That all sounds good Seadog..UNTIL...You run into a bigger,stronger,faster,more athletic team.Then .You run a 80's ball control gimmick offense.Try to not get too embarrassed on defense. Give all the players a participation trophy. Slip quietly into irrelevance. Oh yea. Buy purple shirts.
What I want to know is where are the FV fans? I know they have been lurking but not saying much.
SP passes for 300 this week with the new spread offense that Mickey employed this week. Amazing but true.
Oh I would pay triple the price for a ticket to see that, LOL. I think my money is safe. With that said, I do not think our system is covered in dinosaur poop nor do I think we need to abandon it. I do think we need to tweak it and open it up a bit but we have to remember what got us here. Look at our record, we have a winning record over practically everybody we play on a regular basis except Shelby. And that includes that Crest bunch who believe SP has never or will ever beat them. Check the records and you will see what I am saying is true. Furthermore I believe that if we followed the pack and changed our game schemes to "more modern" conventions we would not have near the record we currently have. If you look on the field before kick off every week, you will see that to the naked eye most of our opponents each week appear to be more athletic. Yet we tend to win the majority of those games anyway. That is due to our "antiquated methods" that is not popular today, our dedicated coaches who implement them, and the heart of every Red Raider that takes the field. Go Big Red - take no prisoners this week!
