Shelby High School
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Wildcatman92,
It seems that you guys had a little playoff championship rivalry going with Central Pageland a few years back. I remember you guys playing in a title game at least once and very deep in the playoffs a couple of other times. When is the last time you guys played Pageland? I used to keep up with them but I haven't in recent years. Pageland used to be another smaller school that the bigger schools walked sideways to get away from.
Pageland played a mix of Forest Hills, Monroe, and Anson for years. PC won the vast majority but there were some really good games between those teams also. PC was in the mix for a SC state title most of those years while three NC schools were not very consistent. Pageland has dropped off the last few years.
We all know Rudy, also.
In fact, one of us was his teammate. But not at Joliet Catholic. But that's another story.
This thread is about Shelby High football (www.shelbyhighfootball.com).
We refrained from commenting because you guys were doing so well with the topic. Thank you.
But hornet62 asked a question we can answer: Why isn't Shelby ever ranked nationally?
Because you are looking in the wrong place.
Check these national rankings:
So the national records have been updated and Shelby High School is the #1 public school in the United States in All-Time playoff wins with 109 (John Curtis is a private school).
http://www.footballfridaynight.com/RecordsTeamWinsPO.php?qState=US#.Vw0JSvkrK2w
Shelby has also moved into the top 25 in the country in all time wins at #23 with 769 Wins.
http://www.footballfridaynight.com/RecordsTeamWins.php?qState=US#.Vw0J2_krK2w
#15 in the nation in playoff winning percentage at 81.11% (min. 50 games played) which again means Shelby averages making the title game.
http://www.footballfridaynight.com/RecordsTeamPctPO.php?qState=US#.Vw0KOPkrK2w
#1 Public school in the country in all time playoff games played with 135.
http://www.footballfridaynight.com/RecordsTeamGamesPO.php?qState=US#.Vw0LGvkrK2w
shutdownD24 said it best.
MC's goal seems to be national relevance (current teams, flavor of the month polls). Shelby's goal is State Titles (historically consistent winning program, The True Dynasty, all-time performance).
We are fine with that.
In fact, one of us was his teammate. But not at Joliet Catholic. But that's another story.
This thread is about Shelby High football (www.shelbyhighfootball.com).
We refrained from commenting because you guys were doing so well with the topic. Thank you.
But hornet62 asked a question we can answer: Why isn't Shelby ever ranked nationally?
Because you are looking in the wrong place.
Check these national rankings:
So the national records have been updated and Shelby High School is the #1 public school in the United States in All-Time playoff wins with 109 (John Curtis is a private school).
http://www.footballfridaynight.com/RecordsTeamWinsPO.php?qState=US#.Vw0JSvkrK2w
Shelby has also moved into the top 25 in the country in all time wins at #23 with 769 Wins.
http://www.footballfridaynight.com/RecordsTeamWins.php?qState=US#.Vw0J2_krK2w
#15 in the nation in playoff winning percentage at 81.11% (min. 50 games played) which again means Shelby averages making the title game.
http://www.footballfridaynight.com/RecordsTeamPctPO.php?qState=US#.Vw0KOPkrK2w
#1 Public school in the country in all time playoff games played with 135.
http://www.footballfridaynight.com/RecordsTeamGamesPO.php?qState=US#.Vw0LGvkrK2w
shutdownD24 said it best.
MC's goal seems to be national relevance (current teams, flavor of the month polls). Shelby's goal is State Titles (historically consistent winning program, The True Dynasty, all-time performance).
We are fine with that.
MC's goal is also to play the toughest possible schedule in order to prepare the team for the playoffs as well as prepare the kids for the next level.
Shelby's goal is to play good local competition and pad those win totals.
We are fine with that..
"nepsy7 said:
Nothing to share with you. Dillon is a program. They're not a one hit wonder. They were winning Championships long before Avery McCall arrived."
Let's check the facts.
1947 State Champs.
SIXTY YEARS LATER
2008, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 State Champs (the last four with McCall starting).
That's it. All of them.
Hmmmm.
How do you define a one hit wonder?
What were they doing in Dillon from 1948 to 2007?
As you like to say.." Let's check the facts"
Simmons ratings which you like to use when the arguement works for you.
Mallard Creek SOS. #1
Shelby SOS #76
Like I said- Toughest schedule possible versus good local schedule.
When Shelby decides to step up and play a top 10 schedule come back and we can have a arguement. Until then it's just babble.
Well six titles definitely is not a one hit wonder.You want some recognition or credibility just come over to the "white prison walls". I guarantee there won't be no finess football played!
Love the website and the rankings.
1948???????????????? COME ON MAN! PLEASE STOP! If you're not impressed with Dillon? Call them up and play them. Let's not start with the we won a State Championship when Abrahan Lincoln was President...lol
1948???????????????? COME ON MAN! PLEASE STOP! If you're not impressed with Dillon? Call them up and play them. Let's not start with the we won a State Championship when Abrahan Lincoln was President...lol
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I don't know how the 1952 Shelby squad would have matched up with Dillon and frankly I couldn't care less. I do know that over the past 5-10 years they would have been some pretty fun match ups.
Here is the biggest difference between Shelby and Dillon. Dillon will take on anyone. Shelby .....not so much.
Here is the biggest difference between Shelby and Dillon. Dillon will take on anyone. Shelby .....not so much.
We love it when you guys step in it. It makes this so easy.
Simmons final 2015 ratings;
MC SOS #1. As it should be to claim the top spot.
Shelby SOS #76 overall. But #1 2A. As it should be. And far exceeds all 2A schools except, no surprise, those that compete in the Shelby and Crest conference.
But there's more.
Let's look at the Simmons Power Rankings.
There is MC at #1. As it should be.
But there is 3A Crest at #5. How can only four big boy 4A teams rank above them? And ahead of poor Page, Buter, and Scotland.
And 2A Shelby at #12. With only 10 big boy 4A teams ranked above them? What's happened? But wait. That also means, besides Crest, there are ZERO 3A teams ranked above Shelby. The 2A Golden Lions played and defeated three 3A teams in the top 34 on this list. And we took Crest late into the fourth quarter, losing 40-33.
Who accomplished more?
4A two time champ, 2300 student, MC playing only 4A opponents, squeaking by East Forsyth in OT in the Western Finals and winning again, but with losses to Byrnes and #16 Hough ( is Hough ranked below Shelby?)?
Or 2A two time champ, 840 student, Shelby playing up to 1250 student 3A quality opponents in over half their regular season games, then dominating all five playoff games to finish 15-1 with the only loss late to #5 here and back to back 3A State Champ Crest?
Play up two classifications, against a State Champ, Mallard Creek as you are asking us to do? No excuses. Then we'll play you.
Not so mouthy now, are ya?
Champ_24 asked for a historic comparison with Shelby.
There ain't one. Shelby's sustained championship success is decades thick for a century.
shelbyhighfootball.com
But he also asked for a present comparison. Perhaps we should have called it a "one decade wonder". Shelby has 5 titles in roughly the same past 10 years, with two state runner up finishes and two Western finals also. No disrespect intended at all. They are having a fine run. As is MC.
But Shelby is in a league of its own.
Perhaps a look at Blue and Gold's Simmons Power Rankings again can explain.
Butler at #7, but behind a 3A team.
Richmond Co #15 and behind TWO 2A squads and out of the playoffs consistently early.
Independence #55
West Charlotte #170
Need more evidence?
There ain't one. Shelby's sustained championship success is decades thick for a century.
shelbyhighfootball.com
But he also asked for a present comparison. Perhaps we should have called it a "one decade wonder". Shelby has 5 titles in roughly the same past 10 years, with two state runner up finishes and two Western finals also. No disrespect intended at all. They are having a fine run. As is MC.
But Shelby is in a league of its own.
Perhaps a look at Blue and Gold's Simmons Power Rankings again can explain.
Butler at #7, but behind a 3A team.
Richmond Co #15 and behind TWO 2A squads and out of the playoffs consistently early.
Independence #55
West Charlotte #170
Need more evidence?
Got to give 98 credit on this rebuttal. Without beating around the bush, how realistic is to see a Shelby vs. Dillon match up. Would Shelby or Dillon be willing to do a home and home or a neutral site game??? I've heard nothing but greatness about this Dillon program. I seen Shelby in person last year. Shelby is special. I just wanna see these two go at it. These 2 schools would bring a HUGE regional crowd no matter the site of the game. Just wanna see it happen. Well 1st what are the chances it happens?
Well... I think both runs were pretty impressive but since you brought it up.
Shelby played only two schools ranked in the top 25 by Simmons all year. Mallard Creek played 6. Expand it to top 30 and each school gets one more. That's 7 in the top 30 for Mallard Creek.
That dominant run that Shelby had in the playoffs came against the following juggernauts-
#106
#104
#47
#64- Yup the other title team was ranked as the #64 team in the state.
By comparison Mallard Creek played the following
#16
#7
#2
#6
Which do you think was a tougher test?
Everytime you mention the fact that Shelby played a 3a team and lost you prove my point yet again. Shelby is a great dominant 2a football team. They aren't the most dominant team in the state or even close and their coaches are aware of this since they stay far away from scheduling any of those teams.
I think they are a great team but he goes way overboard.Sometimes you gotta let the horn toot itself!No one on any thread has ever questioned Shelby's history of winning on the 2A level. 98 will make sure of that. Ask them about playing a top program? Total silence....
A couple of thoughts.
I saw most of the top teams in the state play last season.
Butler was the equal of East Forsyth. Butler played without several starters a few games including the freakish loss at East Meck. Take that game out of the equation and they jump a few spots. I thought MC played terrible against EF until the end and the biggest play of the game was taken away from them. There were two MC's this past year and MC "light" was on the field more than MC "heavy".
Monroe was as physical as Shelby and could match them athletically. Think Monroe beats East Lincoln with Surratt 100% at QB. Monroe v Shelby would have been special although I leavn slightly to Shelby. Another perfect example of why sub-divided playoffs are a disservice to the game and the fan (may be not the schools though). Not only the two best 2A teams in the state but two of the best teams overall and they do not meet after rolling through their smaller school size classification.
I think Dillon will play anyone at home regardless of classification or reputation. Shelby plays a tough schedule but not sure it was that much more impressive than Monroe's non conference slate. Shelby beat Freedom, ACR, and South Point. Monroe beat Sun Valley, Marvin Ridge, Cuthbertson, Weddington, Hunter Huss, and Anson. Monroe beat Weddington which was as good as any team Shelby played. Weddington lost in the third round of the playoffs at Crest by three in OT. Shelby's conference schedule was much tougher with Crest and Kings Mountain.
I saw most of the top teams in the state play last season.
Butler was the equal of East Forsyth. Butler played without several starters a few games including the freakish loss at East Meck. Take that game out of the equation and they jump a few spots. I thought MC played terrible against EF until the end and the biggest play of the game was taken away from them. There were two MC's this past year and MC "light" was on the field more than MC "heavy".
Monroe was as physical as Shelby and could match them athletically. Think Monroe beats East Lincoln with Surratt 100% at QB. Monroe v Shelby would have been special although I leavn slightly to Shelby. Another perfect example of why sub-divided playoffs are a disservice to the game and the fan (may be not the schools though). Not only the two best 2A teams in the state but two of the best teams overall and they do not meet after rolling through their smaller school size classification.
I think Dillon will play anyone at home regardless of classification or reputation. Shelby plays a tough schedule but not sure it was that much more impressive than Monroe's non conference slate. Shelby beat Freedom, ACR, and South Point. Monroe beat Sun Valley, Marvin Ridge, Cuthbertson, Weddington, Hunter Huss, and Anson. Monroe beat Weddington which was as good as any team Shelby played. Weddington lost in the third round of the playoffs at Crest by three in OT. Shelby's conference schedule was much tougher with Crest and Kings Mountain.
Not 2A Dillon. They lost their stud and will be down some. Rumor is maybe renew the series with Gaffney.
You do know the successful status of 4A Gaffney don't you?
Would that satisfy you?
Has to be a defending state champ?
Shelby playing up in classification against a defending champ would do it?
We already do.
Do you?
And MC lost twice to inferior 4A opponents.
You just proved our point...twice.
nepsy7-
You are useless at this point.
You offer nothing objectively to this thread.
You are merely the latest in the rabid homerism parade of past 4A multi champ slobberers. Butler, Indy, Richmond Co, West Charlotte all had their pathetic spokesmen who would challenge any windmill that dared to appear and say "show us you can keep winning".
For you to state that #5 Crest is not a "top program" exposes your absurdity and your ignorance. You should hope MC can accomplish what Crest has since 1994.
Our bet is that in merely 10 years, you and MC will have faded like the others before you.
But Crest will still be winning titles.
And Shelby will be on into its 7th DECADE of unmatchable success.
Enjoy your brief seat with Shelby and Crest on the top of the NC high school football crown.
We will not miss you when you're gone.
How's that for silence?
Game over.
You are useless at this point.
You offer nothing objectively to this thread.
You are merely the latest in the rabid homerism parade of past 4A multi champ slobberers. Butler, Indy, Richmond Co, West Charlotte all had their pathetic spokesmen who would challenge any windmill that dared to appear and say "show us you can keep winning".
For you to state that #5 Crest is not a "top program" exposes your absurdity and your ignorance. You should hope MC can accomplish what Crest has since 1994.
Our bet is that in merely 10 years, you and MC will have faded like the others before you.
But Crest will still be winning titles.
And Shelby will be on into its 7th DECADE of unmatchable success.
Enjoy your brief seat with Shelby and Crest on the top of the NC high school football crown.
We will not miss you when you're gone.
How's that for silence?
Game over.
Battl
Really? Crest is, and will always be a rival game. Give me a break! As usual you divert from talking about stepping out of the comfort zone and playing a elite program. What brief seat with Shelby and Crest? Nothing but compliments from me, other than them coming out of the nest and playing someone. How many decades until that happens?
Really? Crest is, and will always be a rival game. Give me a break! As usual you divert from talking about stepping out of the comfort zone and playing a elite program. What brief seat with Shelby and Crest? Nothing but compliments from me, other than them coming out of the nest and playing someone. How many decades until that happens?
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Gaffney?? Yeah that is perfect for you guys. 6-6 last year 4-8 the year before. Now is the perfect time for Shelby to start scheduling them..... LMAO, Gaffney
Shelby will travel to Dillon about the same time they travel to Mars. Tell ya what. There is a team about 50 miles away from you that has a open week this year and several the year after, but your right....get that game with Gaffney scheduled so you guys can do the old.." Sorry schedule is full" game
Now...I want you to search your little website and come up with a season in 1957 where Gaffney was great and explain to me how that makes them a dynasty and somehow relevant in 2016.
Too easy...Crest didn't play Mallard Creek twice like Butler did. Or Richmond. Or Hough. Or anyone, really.
Too easy...that 3A team didn't play Mallard Creek twice like Butler did. Or Richmond. Or Hough. Or anyone, really.
It is crystal clear now that you and nepsy represent the Jethro and Uncle Jed of the high school football elite. You struck gold for the first time these last three years and so with your "new money" you have bumbled into the "old money" neighborhood with no awareness, no respect, and absolutely no perspective on the world beyond Johnston Oehler Road.
You ignorantly disregard Shelby, Crest and even Gaffney, the all-time #1 program in SC, in order to build up MC and 4A into more than it is.
You would be the only two to ever accuse Shelby of not playing a supremely difficult schedule.....forever.
But they don't play MC or any of the top 10 4A. That's all you got. That's all you see. You wouldn't be pushing this silly 2A Dillon agenda if they had not played you close before and you have to justify them on your current schedule.
Its not about any of that.
It is about SUSTAINED WINNING....
We are done wasting time with you. This thread was started by someone interested in knowing more about Shelby football history.
Come see us if you win one next decade.
Who is we? You have been saying the same blah! blah! for years. Stay Focus. Let me be very clear and specific. Do you ever foresee Shelby or Crest playing an elite program within the next decade?
I justify Dillon because regardless of division. They have no limitations on programs they will play. Can you say the same? The person who inquired about Shelby's status found out although they are a great 2A program. They have no interest in playing Elite Programs.
I hate to bust either one of those bubbles (not really), but the crime rate in Cleveland Co (3.4%) is 8 times higher per capita than it is in Mecklenburg Co (0.4%).
Of those crimes, the Cleveland Co murder rate (6.2%) is almost 30% higher than it is for Mecklenburg Co (4.9%).
http://crimereporting.ncsbi.gov/Reports.aspx
And there's no point in rehashing the football titles again. Mecklenburg Co has 16 of those just since the year 2000 (Indy 7, Mallard Creek 3, Butler 3, Catholic 3), which is more than all of Cleveland Co has combined in their entire "glorious" history.
What was the point of that comment??? Dumbfounded
I just wanted to see the chances of Dillon vs. Shelby nothing more
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