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Shelby at 4A Rock Hill South Pointe

72 State Champion

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Shelby High School's football team plays at South Pointe Rock Hill (SPRH) next Friday, September 22.
Shelby is the current 2A NC State Champion for the fourth consecutive year and sits at 5-0 this season. All five wins have been against larger classification schools.
SPRH is the current 4A SC State Champion for the third consecutive year as they won it as 3A for 2014 and 2015, before SC went to 5 classes. They are also 5-0.
Some have said this is the biggest regular season game in the region this year.
Others say it is the biggest game along the mid-Atlantic coast.
WBTV has SPRH and Shelby ranked #1 and #2. Last year, the final ranking was reversed.
The proported interest in this game certainly makes it worthy of discussion on this 4A board along with the fact that 4A South Pointe has recently played and defeated a NC 4A Championship program.
There have been comments that this matchup is a referendum on NC vs SC high school football.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Shelby has 845 students.
SPHS has 1300 students.
Charlotte's Mallard Creek High School (MC) has 2500 students.
Last year, MC was the reigning three time 4A NC State Champion, the classification that represents the largest public high schools in NC. They chose to play then against SPRH, a school half their size, and promptly lost. MC had also played Dillon SC earlier last year and barely won. Dillon High is the size of Shelby High.
So what does this mean?
Nothing for most of us high school football fans who simply enjoy watching good football played at all levels and understand why classifications exist and state governing bodies differ.
But it means everything to those whose high school football world never sees beyond the largest schools and the common sense fact that the largest schools generally exist in the largest media centers and receive the bulk of attention. Sadly, those people will never understand that true high school football success is not measured by how many times a given school is recognized and promoted by a municiple media and subsequently gains national mention. It is not a popularity contest. To quote Vince Lombardi, it is the measure of what you accomplish with what you have. And while publicity is fun for all temporarily, Championships are what remain, long after press clippings, television coverage, and rankings have quickly been forgotten and faded.
Sustained success within public high school football history becomes the most desired goal so as to positively affect the most players, coaches, parents, fans, and communities, regardless of school size and classification.
So what does this have to do with Shelby playing at SPRH?
Classifications among public high schools for the purpose of fair athletic competition has been routinely misunderstood, ignored, and even attacked.
Many that comment on these prep football boards, thinly veil their shortsightedness by comparing high school classes to the NCAA separation of its divisions (FBS, FCS, Div II, Div III). Those divisions are based on numbers of scholarships, money allocations, facilities, and recruiting. None (0) of those distinctions exist in NC high school football. Nor are the colleges divided by student population. FBS has 40,000 student schools and 8000 student schools with identical governing factors.
There are zero (0) similarities between the NCAA divisions and NC high school classifications.
So how do we compare the classes?
Poker.
5 card stud.
Based on student population, the ONLY comparable measure, Shelby with 845 students gets 5 cards to form a hand from.
No guarantees on how good a hand from year to year.
SPRH with 1300 students gets to draw 8 cards from a different deck. They discard 3 cards to form the best 5 card hand to play. Again, the cards vary from year to year.
Mallard Creek with 2500 students draws 15 cards from its own fresh deck. They then discard 10 cards to form their best 5 card hand.
Which school should overwelmingly have the best hand year after year?
Could Shelby have 4 aces?
Could MC have just a pair of 2s and a pair of 3s?
Of course.
But the odds are astronomically against that happening.
Someone recently posted that a 4A school should never have a "bad" football team because of poor players.
That is true due to the numbers alone.

So while Shelby will play SPRH who has the best "ace" player in SC along with other clear advantages, we don't sweat any ridiculous conclusions that some may voice whether we win, lose, or get blown out. The fact we are taking the field against them is absurd to start with. MC should have dominated RHSP and Dillon both last year. The lingering fact that did not happen should be of greater concern to the 4A crowd than Shelby's performance Friday.
Shelby has nothing to prove.
In the last 50 years, the Golden Lions have won more games and Championships against their similar 5 card stud opponents than any other school of any other class. And they have won consistently. They defeat larger schools all the time.
What Shelby faithful concern themselves with is not one inconsequential game against a larger state champion level foe that should defeat us convincingly. No, after dominating our SIXTH consecutive decade of play, we prefer to discuss what it will take to dominate the NEXT decade and beyond. Our success is generational as well as annual.That is why we can correctly claim to be the "True Dynasty" of NC public high school football.

So will Shelby be competitive and possibly win Friday night against SPRH?
We hope so. But we will keep it in perspective.

We'll see what's in the cards.
 
I hope Shelby wins this game. I wonder if last night they were guilty of looking past Kings Mountain to this game.
 
72 state champion==== it's u crazy. u's just used every excuses that u's can used if's da SHELBY LOINS loses this GAME. U'S R HEN PECKING all of D big 4a teams in N,C. 2 B king OF d FOOTBALL WORLD u got 2 play 4a SCHOOLS year end and year out. well take this from HSFB MAN S.C. teams don't let off of d gas pedal.
 
Shelby High School's football team plays at South Pointe Rock Hill (SPRH) next Friday, September 22.
Shelby is the current 2A NC State Champion for the fourth consecutive year and sits at 5-0 this season. All five wins have been against larger classification schools.
SPRH is the current 4A SC State Champion for the third consecutive year as they won it as 3A for 2014 and 2015, before SC went to 5 classes. They are also 5-0.
Some have said this is the biggest regular season game in the region this year.
Others say it is the biggest game along the mid-Atlantic coast.
WBTV has SPRH and Shelby ranked #1 and #2. Last year, the final ranking was reversed.
The proported interest in this game certainly makes it worthy of discussion on this 4A board along with the fact that 4A South Pointe has recently played and defeated a NC 4A Championship program.
There have been comments that this matchup is a referendum on NC vs SC high school football.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Shelby has 845 students.
SPHS has 1300 students.
Charlotte's Mallard Creek High School (MC) has 2500 students.
Last year, MC was the reigning three time 4A NC State Champion, the classification that represents the largest public high schools in NC. They chose to play then against SPRH, a school half their size, and promptly lost. MC had also played Dillon SC earlier last year and barely won. Dillon High is the size of Shelby High.
So what does this mean?
Nothing for most of us high school football fans who simply enjoy watching good football played at all levels and understand why classifications exist and state governing bodies differ.
But it means everything to those whose high school football world never sees beyond the largest schools and the common sense fact that the largest schools generally exist in the largest media centers and receive the bulk of attention. Sadly, those people will never understand that true high school football success is not measured by how many times a given school is recognized and promoted by a municiple media and subsequently gains national mention. It is not a popularity contest. To quote Vince Lombardi, it is the measure of what you accomplish with what you have. And while publicity is fun for all temporarily, Championships are what remain, long after press clippings, television coverage, and rankings have quickly been forgotten and faded.
Sustained success within public high school football history becomes the most desired goal so as to positively affect the most players, coaches, parents, fans, and communities, regardless of school size and classification.
So what does this have to do with Shelby playing at SPRH?
Classifications among public high schools for the purpose of fair athletic competition has been routinely misunderstood, ignored, and even attacked.
Many that comment on these prep football boards, thinly veil their shortsightedness by comparing high school classes to the NCAA separation of its divisions (FBS, FCS, Div II, Div III). Those divisions are based on numbers of scholarships, money allocations, facilities, and recruiting. None (0) of those distinctions exist in NC high school football. Nor are the colleges divided by student population. FBS has 40,000 student schools and 8000 student schools with identical governing factors.
There are zero (0) similarities between the NCAA divisions and NC high school classifications.
So how do we compare the classes?
Poker.
5 card stud.
Based on student population, the ONLY comparable measure, Shelby with 845 students gets 5 cards to form a hand from.
No guarantees on how good a hand from year to year.
SPRH with 1300 students gets to draw 8 cards from a different deck. They discard 3 cards to form the best 5 card hand to play. Again, the cards vary from year to year.
Mallard Creek with 2500 students draws 15 cards from its own fresh deck. They then discard 10 cards to form their best 5 card hand.
Which school should overwelmingly have the best hand year after year?
Could Shelby have 4 aces?
Could MC have just a pair of 2s and a pair of 3s?
Of course.
But the odds are astronomically against that happening.
Someone recently posted that a 4A school should never have a "bad" football team because of poor players.
That is true due to the numbers alone.

So while Shelby will play SPRH who has the best "ace" player in SC along with other clear advantages, we don't sweat any ridiculous conclusions that some may voice whether we win, lose, or get blown out. The fact we are taking the field against them is absurd to start with. MC should have dominated RHSP and Dillon both last year. The lingering fact that did not happen should be of greater concern to the 4A crowd than Shelby's performance Friday.
Shelby has nothing to prove.
In the last 50 years, the Golden Lions have won more games and Championships against their similar 5 card stud opponents than any other school of any other class. And they have won consistently. They defeat larger schools all the time.
What Shelby faithful concern themselves with is not one inconsequential game against a larger state champion level foe that should defeat us convincingly. No, after dominating our SIXTH consecutive decade of play, we prefer to discuss what it will take to dominate the NEXT decade and beyond. Our success is generational as well as annual.That is why we can correctly claim to be the "True Dynasty" of NC public high school football.

So will Shelby be competitive and possibly win Friday night against SPRH?
We hope so. But we will keep it in perspective.

We'll see what's in the cards.

LMAO!
 
Why would that be a concern for 4A football? MC clearly wasn't the best team in the state last year, they had an off year. So what, it happens. Let's be real, if it was a case of NC best vs SC best we would have used Wake Forest. Not to mention last year has absolutely no bearing on this year...
 
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Why would that be a concern for 4A football? MC clearly wasn't the best tem in the state last year, they had an off year. So what, it happens. Let's be real, if it was a case of NC best vs SC best we would have used Wake Forest. Not to mention last year has absolutely no bearing on this year...

As a MC Homer. Mallard Creek was probably at the bottom of the top 10 teams in NC last year.
 
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The question I have been asked by SC folks: "How good is Shelby. Are they a top ten team in NC overall?"

SPe is one of the top couple of teams in SC if not the best is a statement that no one seems to question.
 
SPe would have their hands full with a few other teams in SC. That is why the description. The QB is a big time playmaker athlete that is the difference maker. I would like to see them play Fort Dorchester. The FD QB is their version of SPe's QB. Both headed to Clemson.

SPe beat Buford by six Friday and they are down compared to their past teams and are not considered top ten in GA. SPe came from behind late winning on the road in a tough place to play.
 
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I hope ya'll don't ever schedule a better team than SP we would never get thru reading your post. If you put them own the schedule shut up and play them and this is more suited for the 2A board ...
 
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RHSP is ranked 8th in the NATION! I don't think that they're just "one of the top couple of teams in SC, if not the best." Lol.

I think Byrnes will have a say as to who is the "best" team in SC this year.
 
I hope ya'll don't ever schedule a better team than SP we would never get thru reading your post. If you put them own the schedule shut up and play them and this is more suited for the 2A board ...

Let me summarize for you. If we win we are the best ever. If we lose we are still the best ever because we have less students. Cover all my bases. Then of course there is the Mallard Creek rumblings......Thats just his messed up obsessive brain taking over.
 
Incoherent, rambling, bullsh!t original post aside, good luck to Shelby in this one! I'll be rooting for you guys hard...do us proud.
 
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ncaa FBS = 85 scholarships
FBC = 63 scholarships
Div. II = 36 scholarships
Div. III = 0 scholarships

and you don't think the ncaa comparisons are fair? Not following the logic but then again......

Don't understand why you can't be happy being App. St, Marshall, or North Dakota State? You don't see them going out of their way to justify themselves to the Alabama's and Ohio States of the world.
 
I'm from NC, but because of a few fans from Shelby, I hope South Pointe beats the living daylights out of you.

When you struggle with Freedom and Kings Mountain. That's pretty much what's going to happen....

Hey 98 you guys have more kids that actually try out for football, than any 4A or 4AA team in Charlotte. So while you guys are getting your salad tossed this weekend. Don't come back here talking about your enrollment......LOL!

I like Shelby more than SP, so I'll be cheering for you guys...:)
 
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I cheer for NC teams regardless, but I can see how some would be led down a different path due to overbearing fans...

I appreciate the knowledge of Shelby fans, and they seem like good people collectively. The trolling definitely wears a bit thin sometimes, and yet is also entertaining. Such ambivalence can only be inspired by 98/72champ lol!
 
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Exactly BandG.
Finally someone understands.

We are playing with house money.

Play with whatever money you like but Ware scheduled the game and I assume he understood that RHSP had a few more kids than Shelby. So.....go win the game and beat your chest all day long if you like. Lose and you can stay down on the 2a board and make excuses.
 
When you struggle with Freedom and Kings Mountain. That's pretty much what's going to happen....

Hey 98 you guys have more kids that actually try out for football, than any 4A or 4AA team in Charlotte. So while you guys are getting your salad tossed this weekend. Don't come back here talking about your enrollment......LOL!

I like Shelby more than SP, so I'll be cheering for you guys...:)
Lol!
 
Shelby could not even score. The Shelby team should not be embarrassed but the posers like 72 State Champion should eat a nice slice of humble pie realizing that the little boys can't compete with the big schools.
 
Shelby could not even score. The Shelby team should not be embarrassed but the posers like 72 State Champion should eat a nice slice of humble pie realizing that the little boys can't compete with the big schools.
Defense hung in there pretty nicely the entire game, though. We knew going in that their offense was down this year compared to recent years, but overall it was still a decent effort against a really good team.
 
Defense hung in there pretty nicely the entire game, though. We knew going in that their offense was down this year compared to recent years, but overall it was still a decent effort against a really good team.
final score?
 
25-0.

South Pointe was up 13-0 at halftime, so both halves played out about the same.
 
Humble pie? I'm proud as hell of our boys.
Held SP to 76 yards rushing, we had 121. SPe was averaging 270 yards rushing a game. 1,088 over 4 games.
They passed for 268, we passed for only 98.
We had the ball for 30:00 minutes, they had the ball for 18:00. Great game plan.
We had the ball inside the 35 4 times and couldn't produce any points.
We only gave up 8 more points than MC did last year and scored 6 less than they did last year.
SPe was averaging 43 points a game....even put up 33 on powerhouse GA team Buford last week. Tiny 2A Shelby held them to their lowest point total of the year.
We gave up a TD a quarter to a team ranked #7 in the country. We are a tiny 2A school.
13 to 0 midway through the third quarter. 4th down and our WR wide open standing on the 15 drops a pass.....just flat dropped it. He catches that and we go in and score and its 13-7 going into the 4th. Instead SPe gets the ball and throws a 70 yard TD bomb on the next play. 3 TDs for SPe came on about 50 yard pass plays. Another on a 25 yard run after a 50 yard pass. Take away the big plays and it was an even game.

You say little boys can't play with big schools? You're crazy as hell. Anyone at that game would tell you otherwise. If we had our 2015 offense with this year's defense we win tonight.

But we lost. I'll take it. Longest winning streak in the state comes to an end. It takes a 4A #7 team in the country to end it. #driveforfive continues in two weeks.

"The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have" - Vince Lombardi

This was a fun week!!
 
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Humble pie? I'm proud as hell of our boys.
Held SP to 76 yards rushing, we had 121. SPe was averaging 270 yards rushing a game. 1,088 over 4 games.
They passed for 268, we passed for only 98.
We had the ball for 30:00 minutes, they had the ball for 18:00. Great game plan.
We had the ball inside the 35 4 times and couldn't produce any points.
We only gave up 8 more points than MC did last year and scored 6 less than they did last year.
SPe was averaging 43 points a game....even put up 33 on powerhouse GA team Buford last week. Tiny 2A Shelby held them to their lowest point total of the year.
We gave up a TD a quarter to a team ranked #7 in the country. We are a tiny 2A school.
13 to 0 midway through the third quarter. 4th down and our WR wide open standing on the 15 drops a pass.....just flat dropped it. He catches that and we go in and score and its 13-7 going into the 4th. Instead SPe gets the ball and throws a 70 yard TD bomb on the next play. 3 TDs for SPe came on about 50 yard pass plays. Another on a 25 yard run after a 50 yard pass. Take away the big plays and it was an even game.

You say little boys can't play with big schools? You're crazy as hell. Anyone at that game would tell you otherwise. If we had our 2015 offense with this year's defense we win tonight.

But we lost. I'll take it. Longest winning streak in the state comes to an end. It takes a 4A #7 team in the country to end it. #driveforfive continues in two weeks.

"The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have" - Vince Lombardi

This was a fun week!!

The Shelby kids should keep their head high. The bomb throwers such as you should be eating the humble pie.
 
And just where did we throw a bomb?

Every time you post you're throwing Bombs. Begging for attention. Didn't I tell you don't come back on her talking about enrollment and we're just a little 2A school. You have over a 100 years of tradition of winning. Remember? Kids in your community are more excited about playing Football for Shelby than most schools in the State. Although your numbers are small in enrollment, Your numbers are huge for kids who come out to play. Advantage Shelby! Your streak would have been broken a long time ago, if you guys played the elite programs on a regular.

It's so embarrassing with the little moral victories. If little Johnny made the catch and take away the big plays and we're in the game. LMAO!

Stop disrespecting programs in NC and go back to your little 2A board and get ready for 1-4 Chase, the type team that kept your little winning streak alive.
 
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Every time you post you're throwing Bombs. Begging for attention. Didn't I tell you don't come back on her talking about enrollment and we're just a little 2A school. You have over a 100 years of tradition of winning. Remember? Kids in your community are more excited about playing Football for Shelby than most schools in the State. Although your numbers are small in enrollment, Your numbers are huge for kids who come out to play. Advantage Shelby! Your streak would have been broken a long time ago, if you guys played the elite programs on a regular.

It's so embarrassing with the little moral victories. If little Johnny made the catch and take away the big plays and we're in the game. LMAO!

Stop disrespecting programs in NC and go back to your little 2A board and get ready for 1-4 Chase, the type team that kept your little winning streak alive.

Begging for attention? Work, we are the best year in and year out program in the state...we don't have to beg for attention.

The poker comparison fits perfect....we may have a ton of kids come out but the talent isn't there that is available at larger schools.
MC (since that is who you are a homer for) gets 15 cards, we get 5. Who is gonna be able to make the best 5 card hand? It's simple.

Don't be mad that we didn't get blown out be proud that we repped and were only down 13-0 late in the 3rd quarter.

Creek looked good last night. Keep it up!
 
Begging for attention? Work, we are the best year in and year out program in the state...we don't have to beg for attention.

The poker comparison fits perfect....we may have a ton of kids come out but the talent isn't there that is available at larger schools.
MC (since that is who you are a homer for) gets 15 cards, we get 5. Who is gonna be able to make the best 5 card hand? It's simple.

Don't be mad that we didn't get blown out be proud that we repped and were only down 13-0 late in the 3rd quarter.

Creek looked good last night. Keep it up!

I love Shelby and what they do. It's you and your crew with the condescending remarks about other program not called Shelby is who i have a problem with.
 
Condescending? No way...we only state facts. Some are hard to believe. We love high school football!! We pull for high school football.

Hopefully we're watching Shelby and MC on the same Saturday in December like we did two years ago!
 
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