QB’s in the I-Meck
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It’ll be Hough’s, IMO. Most experience and a game-changer. Committed to Temple University yesterday.
The best QB at Hough, left and went to Myers Park. Drake Maye who already as a sophomore has offers from Tennessee and West Virginia. Hough's OL has problems blocking, so experience is irrelevant when you're on your back and running for your life.
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The best 3 returning: Washington- Mallard Creek, Summerville-Vance, KBR-Hough. KBR isnt the better QB but definitely a supreme athlete. I'll say it will b between Washington and Summerville for best QB.
I also like Aaron Scott from North Meck. I would say the most mobile QB in the conference. He can kill you with his feet. He recently got a Marshall & UNCC offer.
Lol n this guy talking about Richmond cty....no disrespect but we could take only cms n meck co schools n have a playoff lol
According to the US census bureau, Charlotte has a population of 859,000.
Richmond County has a population of 45,000. Scotland County has 35,000. Cumberland County has roughly 324,000. Moore County has around 94,000. Anson County has around 26,000. Montgomery County has around 28,000. Lee County has around 60,000 people. Robeson County has 134,000. Hoke County has around 53,000. Stanley County has around 61,000 people.
Add up the population from these entire counties, and you get approximately 860,000. So, the population of Richmond County and 9 other counties (which are remotely close to Richmond Co) equals one Charlotte.
Why do I mention this? The talent pool for one city like Charlotte is bigger than an entire conference. Kids (who can play ball), have relatives across town or who have parents that can relocate across town can end up playing for schools like Mallard Creek, Butler, Hough or Vance. If an entire conference could merge their top talent, then we might could begin to make some fair comparisons. Until then, it's tiresome reading about the superiority of Charlotte football teams. The fact that Mallard Creek reloads every single year with D1 prospects doesn't mean that kids from that area are somehow born and bred superior. More likely, they have a large pool of talent and a group of very capable coaches who know how to groom that talent. I would like to know how many feeder schools (k-8) supply Mallard Creek with students. I would also be interested to know how many of their football athletes come from those schools. For instance, I'm wondering if these kids begin transfering into MC's feeder schools once it becomes evident that they can play ball - (13/14 yrs old). I'm not saying this program recruits players, they don't really need to - parents want their kids to play for winning programs. These schools know they have the upper hand when it comes to the pool of talent. It just seems distasteful when supporters of schools from Vance, Butler, or MC get on here beating their chest. You come from a resource rich county, and you are privileged... You have such an abundance of talent year in and year out, it would be embarrassing if a team from Charlotte doesn't win the title every year. Oh wait...
Please Stop! There are 4 schools within a 10 mile radius of Mallard Creek. Only had 35 9th graders that showed up for the JV team. Richmond doubles those numbers. A lot of kids are afraid of the competition.No one ever talks about the 15 to 20 kids that leave the program every year. There were less schools in Charlotte when Richmond was winning State Championships. Now there are more schools. So based on your analogy there is less talent at each school. Don't try and throw Mallard Creeks program and coaching staff under the bus because of Richmond's demise. There is nothing stronger than a small community and resources like Richmond where you know what school you're going to at a very young age, with the ability to develop early. The entire community cheering for one program. (SEE SHELBY & CREST) Maybe if you guys would let a coach stick around long enough, they could grow the program. Stop making up excuses and play ball and who's beating their chest? Don't get tired. Get used to it!
Your post and reasoning is why Scotland County owns you guys and why a kid would move from Fayettnam to play for the Scots and not Richmond.You guys have got to figure out how to get the winning culture back to the county. I would advise excuse making machines like yourself stay away from the program. The Head Coach is on the right path
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You're not disputing the fact that programs like MC have a larger talent pool, are you? You claim that 15-20 kids leave every year - where do you get that number? Is it conjecture, based on a bias for Charlotte area schools? You said, 35 ninth graders show up... where?
No one is making excuses btw... As far as I can see, the facts I stated above hold weight. If the SE conference teams were all in the same town, and kids could simply travel across town to put on the same jersey... let's call the team Richmond Creek. I wonder how many championships that school would have?
Look, if you have a larger population, you'll have more (potential players) with talent. Perhaps? Charlotte, one city, has the population of 10 counties... it seems uncontroversial to say that Charlotte has more potential talent than most other school systems. Compared to the 10 counties listed above, Mecklenburg County is a resource rich county. Schools like Vance, Butler, and MC run great programs and have incredibly talented coaching staff. It seems like these programs get the raw talent year in and out, have the resources, and coaches to develop this raw talent into winning programs on a consistent basis. Charlotte has an embarrassment of talent on a regular basis. It's odd how year in and year out the D1 talent ends up at a handful of Meck schools. I'm not blaming any one program, but supporters of these programs seem to run down or be dismisive toward programs like Scotland or Richmond.
I check these boards occasionally and have never posted until now. If you notice, I was responding to what 704 said above.
You're not disputing the fact that programs like MC have a larger talent pool, are you? You claim that 15-20 kids leave every year - where do you get that number? Is it conjecture, based on a bias for Charlotte area schools? You said, 35 ninth graders show up... where?
Yes i am disputing!
There is no fact or data that supports what you're saying. Richmond County has the same numbers or more kids showing up to play for their program than every school you mentioned. Plus these schools are in close proximity and pull talent from each other. What data proves that the 100 players that show up for Richmond are less athletic than the 100 players that show up for Butler or any other program, because of the population? Mallard Creek only had 35 9th graders try out for JV. They lose 15-20 kids every year. Those are facts and not speculation or a claim.
Yes i am disputing!
There is no fact or data that supports what you're saying. Richmond County has the same numbers or more kids showing up to play for their program than every school you mentioned. Plus these schools are in close proximity and pull talent from each other. What data proves that the 100 players that show up for Richmond are less athletic than the 100 players that show up for Butler or any other program, because of the population? Mallard Creek only had 35 9th graders try out for JV. They lose 15-20 kids every year. Those are facts and not speculation or a claim.
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Wow... Ok... let me see if I can explain this better. According to CMS,146,000 students are in the school system from (k-12). The student body in CMS outnumbers the entire population of Richmond, Scotland, Anson and Montgomery County by around 10,000 people.
Of course, 100 athletes from Richmond (can be) just as athletic as 100 athletes from any CLT school. It'd be ridiculous to think otherwise.
However, the likelihood that (over the years) you'll have several D1 prospects out of 146,000 students is pretty high. Whereas, a County which only has 45,000 citizens might get a D1 prospect every once in a while. You see that, right?
If schools have programs (resources) which are instilling the football basics at a young age and grooming the talent as they age, there shouldn't be any reason why more D1 talent couldn't be developed. In a larger population, the likehood increases that you'll have natural talent which shows up on the field.
Of course, 100 athletes from Richmond (can be) just as athletic as 100 athletes from any CLT school. It'd be ridiculous to think otherwise.
However, the likelihood that (over the years) you'll have several D1 prospects out of 146,000 students is pretty high. Whereas, a County which only has 45,000 citizens might get a D1 prospect every once in a while. You see that, right?
If schools have programs (resources) which are instilling the football basics at a young age and grooming the talent as they age, there shouldn't be any reason why more D1 talent couldn't be developed. In a larger population, the likehood increases that you'll have natural talent which shows up on the field.
WOW! Ok! Let me see if i can explain it to you better. If Coach Johnny has 100 players show up to try out for his program with a enrollment of 3000 students and Coach Bob has a 150 players show up with an enrollment of 1800. There is zero data that says Coach Johnnys players will have more potential of having natural talent and be D1 guys vs Coach Bobs. Richmond & Scotland county have already proven that your theory is not legit.
Charlotte Catholic has 1200 students, they offer no scholarships. 98% of the student body are Catholic. Their football team looks like NASA interns, and they can roll 90% of the teams in Charlotte. Your argument is as weak as it gets and it's a insult to Richmond County Football.
Charlotte Catholic has 1200 students, they offer no scholarships. 98% of the student body are Catholic. Their football team looks like NASA interns, and they can roll 90% of the teams in Charlotte. Your argument is as weak as it gets and it's a insult to Richmond County Football.
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The part you keep leaving out. Out of the 146,000 students. 55% are girls and a large percentage of the boys are not interested in playing football. Also their are numerous schools within a stones throw of each other in Charlotte. Your entire argument has no facts.
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Always like reading what ppl have to say about our community out school our team when they probably never even been to a game here lol what coach got "ran off"? Coach C? Bad hire who had personal issues. Talking about hoggard? He was here almost 20 years left to be with his parents. Emory? He was at retirement age when hired and could hardly walk the last couple of season he was here. Their are few on here that acts like they know everything about the Richmond Raiders when they really know nothing
LOL...all of that would be great if one school could pull from the entire city of Charlotte. However they cant. The only number that matters with regard to talent pool is ADM. Richmond's is at 2200 and lands them in 4aa. STop looking for advantages that don't exist.
I threw my comment out there jus 2 poke fun at a cpl Richmond cty guys but in all actuality RC has a good tradition n area size has no bearing on talent pool. I'll use GA as an example...colquitt cty has consistently thr best team year in year out not an atlanta team n atlanta has 2xs the population of Charlotte....u would figure one team there would . One year u may have a dunwoody or Roswell but no team consistently wins n put talent out like little old colquitt...why is that? I'm like nepsy it starts m jv n the weight room and besides that it starts with the top...the principal supports sports...the AD hires the right head coach...the head coach hires the right staff. Catholic, butler, Vance, Hough, creek have the right people n place n I don't think numbers matters.
Not an insult..
Richmond and Scotland are successful on a consistent basis, in part, because the communities show up to support the teams. Being a Raider or Scot is something that kids in grade school aspire towards. Sometimes, drive and determination from a morale boost can carry you through. Other times, you can be outmanned by superior talent.
I'm talking about raw talent. You're talking about something else. Some kids show up and are naturally better than other kids. Not every kid is cut to be Lebron James, etc.. Out of a large population, it only makes sense that you'll have more people on each end of a distribution - some will be less athletic ability on one end, some will be more on the other end, and you'll likely have a bell shaped curve in the middle - this is the average.
The larger the population, the greater likelihood that you'll have more people on either end of the distribution. Which is to say that you'll have more geniuses and more idiots in larger populations, if we were talking about intelligence. You'll have more people with more potential raw ability in larger populations. That's not controversial - if you think so, then you're wrong.
Charlotte always seems to have an abundance of talent, quality coaches, and resources. So, you'd expect Charlotte to field more talent on top 100 NC college prospects, which is what you'll see if you look at a list of prospects.
These are not excuses but facts. Explain to me one thing; Over the past 20 years, why have the majority of top high school student athletes in Charlotte ended up at either Independence, Butler, Mallard Creek, and Vance?
Whereas, a County which only has 45,000 citizensmight get a D1 prospect every once in a while. You see that, right?
Richmond County: 46.639
Colquitt County: 45,498
Fulton County: 1,041,423
Colquitt County ranking in the State of Georgia
2017: rank #3
2016: rank #7
2015: rank #1
2014: rank #1
2013: rank # 6
2012: rank # 7
2011: rank # 3
Mr. Green-Gold1996 based on your logic, how is little Colquitt County able to spank Fulton County teams year in, and year out? Please explain.
I'll wait!
Richmond County: 46.639
Colquitt County: 45,498
Fulton County: 1,041,423
Colquitt County ranking in the State of Georgia
2017: rank #3
2016: rank #7
2015: rank #1
2014: rank #1
2013: rank # 6
2012: rank # 7
2011: rank # 3
Mr. Green-Gold1996 based on your logic, how is little Colquitt County able to spank Fulton County teams year in, and year out? Please explain.
I'll wait!
Fyi...colquitt cty jus built an INDOOR PRACTICE FACILITY!!!. university of colquitt cty. Lol....were begging 2 play them down the line.. (damn cms/nchsaa) smh
These are not excuses but facts. Explain to me one thing; Over the past 20 years, why have the majority of top high school student athletes in Charlotte ended up at either Independence, Butler, Mallard Creek, and Vance?
Just because you say it, does not make it facts. MC opened in 2007 so that's not 20 years. They started off 1-10. North Meck had more talent than MC last year. Ask Coach P? Vance's Coach Aaron Brand changed that program around. Tommy Knotts had everything to do with Independence success.Butler has no more talent than Richmond has the last few years. .
You're failing drastically with excuses. You have yet to state any facts.
Just because you say it, does not make it facts. MC opened in 2007 so that's not 20 years. They started off 1-10. North Meck had more talent than MC last year. Ask Coach P? Vance's Coach Aaron Brand changed that program around. Tommy Knotts had everything to do with Independence success.Butler has no more talent than Richmond has the last few years. .
You're failing drastically with excuses. You have yet to state any facts.
In the past 10 years, how many D1 prospects have came from MC? They went 1-10 in 2007, but how many prospects were on that team?
Numerous players went D1 on MC. That's because they start early in the 9th grade preparing kids. It's a process. It didn't start off that way. The same players who went 1-10, turned it around and went 10-1 the following year.
You're not informed on how it works, and you're doing a lot of guessing. That's why you don't get it. I'm still waiting on you to share with me, how a county that is smaller than Richmond County can handle a county with over a 1 million people
. PLEASE USE YOUR LOGIC WHEN EXPLAINING?
The number that matters is the adms, yeah; but students can transfer across town, right? Transfering across a town like CLT is easier than having mom and dad relocate to another county. So, the adms in a school don't matter so much if you can get quality talent to transfer from another school a mile or two down the road.
These are not excuses but facts. Explain to me one thing; Over the past 20 years, why have the majority of top high school student athletes in Charlotte ended up at either Independence, Butler, Mallard Creek, and Vance?[/QUOTE]
Absolute ignorance of facts. Simply untrue. Schools like Ardrey Kell, Hough and West Meck have produced as much or more talent than Butler or Vance. Then there are the dozens of high level kids that play at the privates.
Absolute ignorance of facts. Simply untrue. Schools like Ardrey Kell, Hough and West Meck have produced as much or more talent than Butler or Vance. Then there are the dozens of high level kids that play at the privates.
When you say numerous players went D1. Was it 10..15..20..? I remember counting over the years, and each Mallard Creek graduating class may have 15+ college prospects. How is it possible that one school has so many prospects, every....single...year?
Now i get it! You just don't know. No you can't just transfer in CMS schools. Unless you're prepared to set out the entire season. You have to physically move into that schools district. Or you have to be excepted into a magnet program, which none of the schools you mentioned have. Or your parent must teach at the school.
Absolute ignorance of facts. Simply untrue. Schools like Ardrey Kell, Hough and West Meck have produced as much or more talent than Butler or Vance. Then there are the dozens of high level kids that play at the privates.[/QUOTE]
I'll grant you that AK, and Hough have produced tons of talent - I'm not sure about them having more talent than Butler, but the difference may be negligible. But MC, in their short existence, has (produced) way more next level talent than these schools.
It's really irrelevant if that's your argument. A lot of them were not going anywhere had they not attended MC. It's called working hard to get kids in school, That's How.
I've answered all your questions immediately. Now can you explain how a county smaller than Richmond County can beat a County with over 1 million people every single year?
If you notice above at the beginning of the thread, I mentioned feeder schools for a reason. I wonder if most of the kids at MC who graduate together go to school with the football players through out grade school, middle school, etc.. or did the kids with football prowess enter into the MC feeder schools in middle school?
These guys see D1 scholarship but they don't know the formula 2 b a D1 scholarship player. Besides talent its coaching confidence n attitude n that's what CC, Dutch fork, creek, butler etc. Look at Harding last yr... they've always had talent but greiner gave them confidence n attitude. That's what winning programs do combine the formula to make winning possible. South meck is the biggest school n the state. They should b perennial contenders every year...last yr I doubt they had 40 kids on the whole team.
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Why don't you ask them that question. The other team may not be prepared, who knows? I don't pretend to know.
Population and enrollment has been your entire argument. Now you don't know? Maybe you should just observe and learn, instead of pretending that you know how it works.
REMEMBER HOW YOU STARTED OFF. According to the US census bureau, Charlotte has a population of 859,000.
So basically when you were making your uninformed argument about population. You were just throwing something out there, to see if it sticks? OK Gotcha.
In your eyes, it seems like the small population theory only applies to Richmond County.
To all the real Richmond County fans and supporters. I love where your program is going and appreciate how your program success through out the years has grown NC Football to where it is today.
I have no clue what and the hell Mr. green-gold 1996 is talking about, and come to find out after numerous post. Neither does he.
In your eyes, it seems like the small population theory only applies to Richmond County.
To all the real Richmond County fans and supporters. I love where your program is going and appreciate how your program success through out the years has grown NC Football to where it is today.
I have no clue what and the hell Mr. green-gold 1996 is talking about, and come to find out after numerous post. Neither does he.
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Hard to know the exact number but the overwhelming number of athletes come from 2 middle schools and have played together for many years. That said it is a growing area and boundaries change every couple of years. That equation will always be fluid.
I'll grant you that AK, and Hough have produced tons of talent - I'm not sure about them having more talent than Butler, but the difference may be negligible. But MC, in their short existence, has (produced) way more next level talent than these schools.[/QUOTE]
They have done that because of many reasons . They have the exact same area and demographics that North Meck does. How much D1 talent have they developed in the past 8-10 years. Almost nothing.
Your argument that Charlotte has more people and thus should have a deeper talent pool to choose from is just not based in any facts. They have more people which=more schools. Its why you have divisions and Shelby doesnt have to compete with Richmond for a title.
Most Charlotte schools start with about the same baseline of talent. Its what you do with the talent.
Let's show the difference between big time football n everywhere else. Last yr on a recruiting trip up to a big time D1 school in the northeast we went inside this schools weight room. We were being introduced 2 the strength coach n shown all the various weight lifting personal bests. On this list there were about 6 guys listed on the "315lb power clean club". My son said: "we've got more than that doing that at Vance now" n proceeds to walk over put 335 on the bar n did it 3xs. Is that talent? No its call a program that instilled hard work, competition n whoop ass to the kids.
I think because kids might have 2 miss school 2 go down there.. it is a 7/8 hr trip
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