Charter school issues are not just a North Carolina thing....
Brookland-Cayce AD sounds off on Gray Collegiate as Lexington 2 schools face fines
Brookland-Cayce AD sounds off on Gray Collegiate as Lexington 2 schools face fines
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Everyone was crying about parochials and ignored charters @btango called this 10 years ago.
But it’s about choice.::
I’m giving my child a better education…
Most charters don’t do that…
That’s because you’re a liberal (this one is very ironic to me 🤷♂️)…
The lottery!!!
Cliff notes for some of the responses that are coming very soon…
So, in case no one read the article, I'm going to include one quote. "Academically, Gray’s high school students are in class four hours a day, sometimes in a morning or afternoon block. The rest of the day can include free time, sports practices or other extra-curricular activities."
That, just in itself, would be enough for me to choose to send my kid there. The only reason we go to school for such long hours (unlike how students throughout most of Europe go for 5-6 hours and are released by 2) is because Saint John Dewey and his acolytes came up with a system way back during the first world war and we can't possibly change a system that's been in place for over a century.
I mean, we absolutely have to maintain a system that mirrors the industrial workplace even though only about 20% of our population now works in a factory-because reasons.
The AD in that piece is upset that his school can't be as flexible as the charter. The thing is that I want schools to have greater flexibility. But only schools that operate outside the traditional education bureaucracy seem to manage that and I'd just as soon let at least some students escape that system than trap everyone in it "because we've always done it this way".
That, just in itself, would be enough for me to choose to send my kid there. The only reason we go to school for such long hours (unlike how students throughout most of Europe go for 5-6 hours and are released by 2) is because Saint John Dewey and his acolytes came up with a system way back during the first world war and we can't possibly change a system that's been in place for over a century.
I mean, we absolutely have to maintain a system that mirrors the industrial workplace even though only about 20% of our population now works in a factory-because reasons.
The AD in that piece is upset that his school can't be as flexible as the charter. The thing is that I want schools to have greater flexibility. But only schools that operate outside the traditional education bureaucracy seem to manage that and I'd just as soon let at least some students escape that system than trap everyone in it "because we've always done it this way".
Ok, as usual, I do have a question…
Where did you get the “only 20% of the population” thing? Industries around these parts work 8 hour shifts, some with even three different work sessions, meaning 24 hours worth. Even white collar workers are back to 8 hour shifts for the most part, after the whole Covid remote has faded. Who would pick all these children up at school after the school day? Or meet the buses at 12pm? Or be there at 9am when bus comes by for that 4 hour school day? Unless you’re self employed, which I have a lot of experience in, or independently wealthy, then I don’t know how the logistics would work in that scenario.
Wow that’s a lot for just a question ain’t it?
United States - distribution of the workforce across economic sectors 2022 | Statista
The statistic shows the distribution of the workforce across economic sectors in the United States from 2012 to 2022.
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It's actually 19.28% who work in industry, but close enough.
And I don't think you have to be independently wealthy, what you have to do is figure out what's important to you and how to make it work. So, maybe mom and dad work different shifts or maybe one parent works the gig economy, and they make sacrifices because that's what's important to them. Or maybe they get grandma to go get the kid or maybe they work out carpools with other parents. Lots of people make this work one way or another-flexibility is key, remember.
And there are still plenty of people who work from home even after Covid, but maybe you look for a job like that and make arrangements with your boss, because maybe they have kids as well and aren't tyrants.
Or is school just a babysitter where parents drop the kids off to make it easier to go to work? There are plenty of parents who seem to look at it that way, but I don't think most parents do.
That doesn't even come close to exhausting the potential answers for how to make this work, but ask away-maybe we can figure this out. I think it's best to offer parents who will try to make it work the opportunity and not make it harder for them because others seemingly can't.
1st..all charters are not the same. Tried getting my kid into Thomas Jefferson(40+min drive) when it was the #3 school in the state but it was over 300 kids for her grade(rising 7th) alone at the time. Settled for the one in Shelby, Pinnacle, for a couple years and couldn't get out of there fast enough. Moved to get my kid into the new sports charter school in Rock Hill (1st year open) and was the best decision for us. They do get to practice year round and they have shorter classes and many of their classes are college credit classes. Almost everyone their had plans to go onto college and with the classes offered, everyone went into college at least a sophomore but many junior's with associate degrees before they even had their high school diploma(1 athlete earned 3 associate degrees before she graduated high school). Several of their teams had top 10 GPAs in the nation for their sport with the softball team having the 2nd highest GPA in the country with an average of GPA of 4.4. As you said, some parents make a sacrifice and I for one did and made the moves necessary to get in a better situation.United States - distribution of the workforce across economic sectors 2022 | Statista
The statistic shows the distribution of the workforce across economic sectors in the United States from 2012 to 2022.
It's actually 19.28% who work in industry, but close enough.
And I don't think you have to be independently wealthy, what you have to do is figure out what's important to you and how to make it work. So, maybe mom and dad work different shifts or maybe one parent works the gig economy, and they make sacrifices because that's what's important to them. Or maybe they get grandma to go get the kid or maybe they work out carpools with other parents. Lots of people make this work one way or another-flexibility is key, remember.
And there are still plenty of people who work from home even after Covid, but maybe you look for a job like that and make arrangements with your boss, because maybe they have kids as well and aren't tyrants.
Or is school just a babysitter where parents drop the kids off to make it easier to go to work? There are plenty of parents who seem to look at it that way, but I don't think most parents do.
That doesn't even come close to exhausting the potential answers for how to make this work, but ask away-maybe we can figure this out. I think it's best to offer parents who will try to make it work the opportunity and not make it harder for them because others seemingly can't.
Too bad she didn’t play football…. Cause if she did you was in no questions asked 😂 REALLY 😂 well when Cash was the coach. I guess they don’t do that anymore and that’s why the football stinks
That study you cited was from early 2022, the US was smack dab in middle of Covid for 20-21. I’m sorry but those numbers are skewed. Currently, in the US, around 35% of workers work remotely, and some of those are only partially.United States - distribution of the workforce across economic sectors 2022 | Statista
The statistic shows the distribution of the workforce across economic sectors in the United States from 2012 to 2022.
It's actually 19.28% who work in industry, but close enough.
And I don't think you have to be independently wealthy, what you have to do is figure out what's important to you and how to make it work. So, maybe mom and dad work different shifts or maybe one parent works the gig economy, and they make sacrifices because that's what's important to them. Or maybe they get grandma to go get the kid or maybe they work out carpools with other parents. Lots of people make this work one way or another-flexibility is key, remember.
And there are still plenty of people who work from home even after Covid, but maybe you look for a job like that and make arrangements with your boss, because maybe they have kids as well and aren't tyrants.
Or is school just a babysitter where parents drop the kids off to make it easier to go to work? There are plenty of parents who seem to look at it that way, but I don't think most parents do.
That doesn't even come close to exhausting the potential answers for how to make this work, but ask away-maybe we can figure this out. I think it's best to offer parents who will try to make it work the opportunity and not make it harder for them because others seemingly can't.
Grandma?
Really?
Of course if momma stays at home, then problem solved,,,
Again the logistics do not work in this scenario considering the modern family dynamics.
But I shouldn’t have stuck my nose in here anyway probably..,
No one is going to change their minds I don’t think 🤷♂️
The numbers I cited are for industrial workers and they’ve been around 19% for over a decade-just look at the chart. You asked where I got 20% and there it is.
And yes. Grandma. Really. Because that’s what families do-work together to make things better.
You’ve convinced yourself that “the logistics do not work” and I’ve given you all kinds of reasons they might, but you do you.
One size fits all is a terrible way to do business, doesn’t matter what business.
It’s still from early 2022! The country, except for a couple of states, was on lockdown for 20-21! Even the charter schools were hesitant to open back up!
That doesn’t have anything to do with the point I made which you questioned. I said about “20 %” of the workforce are in industry and then cited a source that shows that that’s been stable for a decade.
I never made any claims about what part of the population works remotely, but using the numbers you give it seems a significant portion do (you say 35% above)..
But none of that even takes into account flexible work schedules, working different shifts or any of the other alternatives I mentioned.
Freshmanposter01 above talks about how his family made it work which is what people do and more power to him. At least these alternatives exist for people to try.
Many have tried Pinnacle and have got out after a few years..
I'm actually a moderate conservative, but believe what you want.
Ok all that’s fine. We are supposed to want our children to have it better than we did. It’s the American way ain’t it? However…
What will be the effect on the next generation when parents provide everything for them? A little hardship teaches young people how to persevere, in my opinion anyway. One reason I hate the transfer portal. Have a problem? Go somewhere else. What life lesson are we teaching those athletes? But we were discussing, hopefully cordially, the “choice” for education of students. We disagree but that’s ok. What bothers folks, I think, is the lottery that seems to be weighted to allow athletes in and the tax dollars being spent on new construction.
Parenting is a lifelong relationship, you don’t stop trying to help your kid when they turn 20 or 30 or until you die. Good parents take opportunities to teach their kids how to overcome hardship, but they don’t pile one hardship after another on to their kids in the hope that it’ll make them stronger. Well, I don’t think good parents do anyway, though they might give them some challenge to overcome and guide them through those. That’s sort of a different discussion.
But, again, “school choice” is popular because parents believe-and rightly, I think-that they are the ones who should decide how their kids should be educated. If you think that’s bad policy for the reasons you describe above, then run on that and let’s see what voters have to say.
Oh I ain’t running for anything. Not smart enough and too many skeletons…
Ain’t nobody voting for my country talking self…
And people actually are, shall we say, very interesting in how they vote nowadays…
The tea on charter schools in the Carolina's is HOT! 😂 Not every school is dishing out the same grade-A education, fam. Just look at that sports school in Rock Hill! Families be choosing programs that hit those A's and lift them weights too! It's like the ultimate combo meal for student-athletes, for real! College readiness is the name of the game, with those college credit classes and athletes flexing those GPA stats! And can we take a minute to appreciate that athlete out here collecting degrees like Pokémon cards before even tossing their cap? It's a whole vibe! Now, about the whole 'better life' thing - it's all about balance, right? Ain't nothing wrong with some good ol' struggle turning kids into warriors! Life lessons for days, but let’s not make everything a cakewalk, folks!
