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MaxPreps - meh... CCC edition

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MaxPreps isn’t worth too much for the most part. I see people living and dying about what they see on their team of interest’s roster at this point in the season.

Seriously, if my head coach has time to sit down and piddle with his roster on MaxPreps, then I’m afraid they are focused on the wrong thing. It’ll get done, or it won’t. Not a big deal in my opinion.

One thing that does interest me is the MaxPreps ratings. Sometimes they are pretty solid, other times they are terrible. So here are the MaxPrep Ratings for each of the Central Carolina Conference 2A schools:

1- Ledford 59
2- N Davidson 74
3- Lexington 242
4- Thomasville 243
5- Salisbury 244
6- Oak Grove 269
7- West Davidson 323
8- South Rowan 327
9- East Davidson 328
10- Central Davidson 354
 
A couple of things I notice here. First off (and I don’t disagree), is that Oak Grove is going to have earn respect this season. They aren’t getting it, and frankly, they don’t deserve it. Win some games and then we’ll talk.

Secondly, WHO in the daggum world has West Davidson finishing 7th in this conference? Yes, the bottom of this conference is abysmal. But I don’t see West finishing above 8th. Maybe if Lexington takes a nap again and loses to West again.

Thirdly, if I was Coach Hanner at EDHS, I’d be putting this on every single locker in the field house. This team had better not finish 9th.

Lastly, MaxPreps nailed it by putting Central Davidson at the rock bottom of the conference. No way that a school with almost 1000 kids should consistently suck at the 2A level. The most intriguing game of their season will be to see if they can beat South Davidson, which they FINALLY got around to putting on their schedule.
 
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It's obviously my opinion, but I just don't see Ledford being 15 spots better than North Davidson. I also, sure as heck don't see Lexington being better than Thomasville or Salisbury. Time will tell I guess.
 
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Rameses said:
It's obviously my opinion, but I just don't see Ledford being 15 spots better than North Davidson. I also, sure as heck don't see Lexington being better than Thomasville or Salisbury. Time will tell I guess.
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I agree that North should be right with Ledford, if not ranked ahead. And Lexington should definitely be lower than Thomasville and Salisbury and probably oak grove but oak grove has to earn the hype around them
 
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PrepFanNC said:
Thirdly, if I was Coach Hanner at EDHS, I’d be putting this on every single locker in the field house.
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PrepFanNC I agree 100%. I am thinking on a positive note in saying that I think East will have a decent season this year (at least 5-6 wins). I think Coach Hanner and McClamrock will have these young men coached up and ready to go August 23.
 
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EDEagle66 said:
PrepFanNC I agree 100%. I am thinking on a positive note in saying that I think East will have a decent season this year (at least 5-6 wins). I think Coach Hanner and McClamrock will have these young men coached up and ready to go August 23.
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I agree EDEagle I've already heard Coach Hanner is using that ranking as motivation. I would like to see East have a good season this year and contend for a playoff spot. They have enough returning players to win several games IMO.

The team I'm not real sure about is West. From looking at the roster they have a lot of seniors and returning players but they have a history of underachieving so hard to tell with them.

Ledford is another team that it's hard to tell how good they will be. They lost alot of seniors and don't have many listed on their roster as of right now. They had a really good JV team last year but not sure if that will mean immediate success on varsity.

Also, looks like ND is just gonna reload this year from reading the article in the Dispatch yesterday. They got two all conference transfer players from Lexington and I heard from one of the parents that there were a few other players already transferred in to.
 
CCCteamz said:
I agree EDEagle I've already heard Coach Hanner is using that ranking as motivation. I would like to see East have a good season this year and contend for a playoff spot. They have enough returning players to win several games IMO.

The team I'm not real sure about is West. From looking at the roster they have a lot of seniors and returning players but they have a history of underachieving so hard to tell with them.

Ledford is another team that it's hard to tell how good they will be. They lost alot of seniors and don't have many listed on their roster as of right now. They had a really good JV team last year but not sure if that will mean immediate success on varsity.

Also, looks like ND is just gonna reload this year from reading the article in the Dispatch yesterday. They got two all conference transfer players from Lexington and I heard from one of the parents that there were a few other players already transferred in to.
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Assuming these were physical moves into the district from Lexington.
 
Wow71 said:
Assuming these were physical moves into the district from Lexington.
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Not sure if they were moves... Someone told me that one was a guardianship.

That is merely speculation. I have no proof, nor am I accusing anyone of anything fishy.
 
PrepFanNC said:
Not sure if they were moves... Someone told me that one was a guardianship.

That is merely speculation. I have no proof, nor am I accusing anyone of anything fishy.
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My understanding is that a kid who lives in the ND district and has a parent working in the Lexington system can attend either school. I would assume the opposite to be true also. I don't know if that is the case here, but I can think of three examples in the recent past where ND picked up Lexington kids that way (2 of them brothers).
 
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M193_55g said:
My understanding is that a kid who lives in the ND district and has a parent working in the Lexington system can attend either school. I would assume the opposite to be true also. I don't know if that is the case here, but I can think of three examples in the recent past where ND picked up Lexington kids that way (2 of them brothers).
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Yes indeed, if that is the case, then it is all free and clear.

I wish that overall things could tighten up a bit across the county. There are several Ledford athletes (not football) that belongs to Oak Grove. Both schools are aware. But nothing is done.
 
Maxpreps is a joke. Learned that when I was writing for the Dispatch a few years ago and tried to get rosters off there. Quickly learned to just ask the school for a roster instead.

Theoretically the strength of schedule thing should work, but obviously less than useless in the preseason...
 
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BlackKnightNut said:
Maxpreps is a joke. Learned that when I was writing for the Dispatch a few years ago and tried to get rosters off there. Quickly learned to just ask the school for a roster instead.

Theoretically the strength of schedule thing should work, but obviously less than useless in the preseason...
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In my area it is too. When it comes to rounding up JV scores on Thursdays I have to ask around a ton now because when it comes to the Mountain Valley conference it's impossible to get them as some idiot keeps putting phony scores up and they won't ban him. When that happens a website becomes a joke.
 
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Amazing the lengths trolls go to, isn't it? Thankfully on this website we have an ignore button, much more difficult to do that in the real world lol.
 
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BlackKnightNut said:
Amazing the lengths trolls go to, isn't it? Thankfully on this website we have an ignore button, much more difficult to do that in the real world lol.
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Amen to that.. wish it was that easy!

Sad part of that is he's hurting the schools and those like me who actually do the live reports accurately. We play Elkin on JV week 2.. I hope he tries it again so I can write a complaint to Max Preps about it, I'll be very scathing in it. Enough's enough.
 
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Central Davidson if the article's true could be quite interesting this year. Their #'s are up quite a bit and they are back to the offense that made them powerful at the start of the decade. When they ran the wing they were really good in it and ate people up. I don't know if their talent now is as good as then's but I see them playing people harder now.

Spread wasn't really their cup of tea. Trinity yeah but not at CD. They might have a really hard willed JV team with that many 9th graders.
 
Slasher Killer said:
Central Davidson if the article's true could be quite interesting this year. Their #'s are up quite a bit and they are back to the offense that made them powerful at the start of the decade. When they ran the wing they were really good in it and ate people up. I don't know if their talent now is as good as then's but I see them playing people harder now.

Spread wasn't really their cup of tea. Trinity yeah but not at CD. They might have a really hard willed JV team with that many 9th graders.
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Does anyone remember the Central Davidson teams from 1977-1979. Those records were pretty great!
(9-3, 10-1 and 10-2). It was a little before my time so I don’t remember anything about it.

Those three years are the only 3 conference titles that CDHS holds.
 
I mentioned conference championships... and I got curious. These are the conference titles held by each current CCC team. The numbers reflect conference championships from conferences, past and present.

Thomasville 26
Lexington 11
Salisbury 10
North Davidson 9
South Rowan 9
Ledford 6
West Davidson 5
Central Davidson 3
East Davidson 1
Oak Grove 0
 
Since 1972. North, Lexington, Tville and East Davidson had some pretty good teams back in the 60s, too. But gobiggreen.net has info going back to 1972 statewide.
 
PrepFanNC said:
Does anyone remember the Central Davidson teams from 1977-1979. Those records were pretty great!
(9-3, 10-1 and 10-2). It was a little before my time so I don’t remember anything about it.

Those three years are the only 3 conference titles that CDHS holds.
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Central had some stellar athletes for a time. Henry Walls, his sister Henrietta, and Edgar Pickett immediately come to mind.
 
BlackKnightNut said:
Since 1972. North, Lexington, Tville and East Davidson had some pretty good teams back in the 60s, too. But gobiggreen.net has info going back to 1972 statewide.
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You are absolutely right. I meant to mention that the records there only go back to 1972. I’d love to find the info for further back.

The CCC conference site used to be a pretty good reference for conference specific info... but last time I went to check it, that site was completely FUBAR.

*sidenote - East has two more championships in 1968 and 1969 according to the CCC site. I shouldn’t change the above list because it would skew it. North has four more championships prior to 1972 as well. I’m sure Lexington and Thomasville were getting some too in whatever conference they were playing in back then.
 
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Of course, some of their scores can be wrong at times. They have Lexington beating North 14-0 in 1992, I have been told it was the other way around.
 
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I thought so. Two epic clashes two years in a row between undefeated ND and Tville. If only Cline had stayed... :(
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I don't think it would have mattered much the next few years if Cline had stayed. ND had a big talent dropoff in the mid-90's. That probably had something to do with why he left.
 
Bit of both, actually. Coaching and talent both matter, plus North was one of the smallest 4A schools or one of the biggest 3A schools in the state at the time. BIG difference between the CCC and the CPC, Tville notwithstanding in those days.
 
PrepFanNC said:
You are absolutely right. I meant to mention that the records there only go back to 1972. I’d love to find the info for further back.

The CCC conference site used to be a pretty good reference for conference specific info... but last time I went to check it, that site was completely FUBAR.

*sidenote - East has two more championships in 1968 and 1969 according to the CCC site. I shouldn’t change the above list because it would skew it. North has four more championships prior to 1972 as well. I’m sure Lexington and Thomasville were getting some too in whatever conference they were playing in back then.
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Thomasville and Lexington played in the South Piedmont and later North Piedmont conferences. Thomasville was also in the Yadkin Valley Conference.
 
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Bit of both, actually. Coaching and talent both matter, plus North was one of the smallest 4A schools or one of the biggest 3A schools in the state at the time. BIG difference between the CCC and the CPC, Tville notwithstanding in those days.
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Agreed. 4A transition wasn’t going to be fun that time. Big talented schools and an absence of upcoming talent had quite a bit to do with it. I’ll add another layer... The teams of 1991 and 1992 spoiled a fan base that was used to mediocrity. After that playoff loss in 1992 to North Rowan, there were people in the stands calling for Dickie Cline’s head! Um, fools... he gave ND 2 years of wins that the prior decade would have taken 4 years to achieve. My hat’s off to him and the job he continues to do.

In fact, his success, coupled with the success of Butts and Holcomb, still spoil the fan base to this day.
I’ve been to 40 North Davidson games in the last 4 years and I can tell you, from a general ND fan’s perspective....
“No one beats North Davidson, its always someone else’s fault” (refs, dirty players, injuries)
 
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That's true... And yet they also sit on their hands the whole game and don't really get loud, either.

Some didn't want to believe Shelby was really the better team last year. They said if the pick six didn't happen we would have won. I told them it was a big momentum swing but over the course of the whole game Shelby just proved to be a more athletic, overall better team.
 
PrepFanNC said:
The teams of 1991 and 1992 spoiled a fan base that was used to mediocrity. After that playoff loss in 1992 to North Rowan, there were people in the stands calling for Dickie Cline’s head!
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The 1991 playoff loss to Concord and the 1992 playoff loss to North Rowan are still today two of the more heartbreaking losses in North Davidson football history. Those two ND teams, IMO, would have won state titles those years if they would have won those two games. I still can't believe how ND lost that North Rowan game, they were in complete control of that one at halftime. I didn't want Dickie Cline to go, he did tremendous things at ND, but I heard from A LOT of people that talent had NOTHING to do with him leaving ND at the time. I don't know, it's just what a lot of folks I trust told me at the time.

As for the ND fans who blame the refs and other crap after a loss, I hear them on Fridays when the Knights lose a game. Most of the folks though are ones whose kids play and they disappear after they graduate. I'll tell you this too, the majority of those fans sit in the "Reserved" section in the middle. I'd love to have a dollar everytime I've heard one of those folks scream after a flag is thrown on North on an OBVIOUS penalty. It's really funny!

I will admit that I was FURIOUS with how the first Ledford game ended last year at North. That had NOTHING to do with referees, that was ALL on the fella walking the sidelines on that last possession.:mad:;):( BTW, I like him though and think he does a very good job!:)
 
Rameses said:
The 1991 playoff loss to Concord and the 1992 playoff loss to North Rowan are still today two of the more heartbreaking losses in North Davidson football history. Those two ND teams, IMO, would have won state titles those years if they would have won those two games. I still can't believe how ND lost that North Rowan game, they were in complete control of that one at halftime. I didn't want Dickie Cline to go, he did tremendous things at ND, but I heard from A LOT of people that talent had NOTHING to do with him leaving ND at the time. I don't know, it's just what a lot of folks I trust told me at the time.

As for the ND fans who blame the refs and other crap after a loss, I hear them on Fridays when the Knights lose a game. Most of the folks though are ones whose kids play and they disappear after they graduate. I'll tell you this too, the majority of those fans sit in the "Reserved" section in the middle. I'd love to have a dollar everytime I've heard one of those folks scream after a flag is thrown on North on an OBVIOUS penalty. It's really funny!

I will admit that I was FURIOUS with how the first Ledford game ended last year at North. That had NOTHING to do with referees, that was ALL on the fella walking the sidelines on that last possession.:mad:;):( BTW, I like him though and think he does a very good job!:)
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Just my opinion but ND was very good those 2 years in 1991 and 92, had a great defense and decent offense but there was no way they would have won the state championship in 91 and not real sure they would have in 92 either. They had a pretty good run game mostly because Cline was a great OL coach but not much of a passing game at all. I was at the Concord game in '91 and they could barely get the ball past midfield the whole game, got shutout and Concord didn't even win the state championship that year.
 
That 92 loss to North Rowan still haunts! May sound a little immature to still think of that from time to time, but how that game slipped away is really crazy! As for Cline leaving; Think the reason was sort of being pushed out, then the talent drop off, and moving up to 4A, was good enough excuse to oblige the nay-sayers! Just my .02 cents....
 
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bkknights93 said:
That 92 loss to North Rowan still haunts! May sound a little immature to still think of that from time to time, but how that game slipped away is really crazy! As for Cline leaving; Think the reason was sort of being pushed out, then the talent drop off, and moving up to 4A, was good enough excuse to oblige the nay-sayers! Just my .02 cents....
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Interesting... I’d heard the “pushed out” thing back when it all shook loose back in 1992-93.

Ledford got him... He got the weight room equipment he wanted. He beat a abysmal ND team that one year (1994 I think?)... Of course, he’s been a bit of a Journeyman, so staying in one place isn’t really his gig.
Ragsdale, North, Glenn, Thomasville, Ledford, Ledford again...
 
Rameses said:
As for the ND fans who blame the refs and other crap after a loss, I hear them on Fridays when the Knights lose a game. Most of the folks though are ones whose kids play and they disappear after they graduate. I'll tell you this too, the majority of those fans sit in the "Reserved" section in the middle. I'd love to have a dollar everytime I've heard one of those folks scream after a flag is thrown on North on an OBVIOUS penalty. It's really funny!
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Correct on all points here... I sat in the reserved section on occasion... Out of touch former parents and alumni behind me... WAY out of touch coaches wives in front of me.

My favorite one was the loss at Mt Tabor a couple of years ago.. after the controversial fumble with a minute or two left, one of the coaches wives stood up and chided Mt Tabor for lining up in the victory formation. She was saying that a “real team” would air it out or keep running it. I guess hoping for a turnover?
Another coach’s wife was screaming at people via Facebook when they questioned the blaring music at a 6am practice during Thanksgiving break. Basically insinuated that some day, she’d see to it that the complainers 8 year old boy didn’t start when he arrived to NDHS to play football some day.

I don’t sit near those fools anymore.
 
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Does tville have a scrimmage game this Friday if so where is it at and who's participating? I've been outa the loop for a while
 
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Does tville have a scrimmage game this Friday if so where is it at and who's participating? I've been outa the loop for a while
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Does anybody know if the Dispatch will be doing a preseason preview of all the Davidson County teams like they usually do every year? I have seen them doing the short article write ups on some of the teams but the preseason preview usually has pictures and invterviews of some of the key players for each team.

And speaking of scrimmages, I went to the jamboree this past Saturday at South Stanly HS. There were 7 or 8 teams there including CCC teams East Davidson, Central Davidson and also Wheatmore.. I was impressed with Central's double wing offense. None of the teams that I watched them scrimmage against could stop their unorthodox offense and they scored several times but granted none of the teams were prepared to play against it.
 
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The doublewing is hard to prepare for in a week, let alone at a scrimmage with no warning. Not saying Central is going to blow the doors off this year, but they will have a fighting chance depending on their defense.
 
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