MAC moving conference games to 7 pm kickoff
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Hmm Interesting. From 2000-2015 Asheville highs games have lasted around 45 mins since we threw the ball 0.7 times a game for a decade and a half.
When they throw a flag every 2 plays and discuss things for 10 minutes at a time, go back and forth between coach's etc. Obviously you never go to games. Owen is a running team and many times play running teams and the games take forever even with those offenses. Also before you say anything I have been to ACR games Erwin games and Asheville games and although the Offenses are different the refs are just as poor in those games.
What about those offsetting penalties when the offensive team is called for holding but so is the defense and the ref picks up the ball after a long discussion and he marches from the 20 to the 10 and signals the foul against the O, then he marches from the 10 to the 20 and indicates the foul vs the D, then signals they are a wash and repeat the down. You dont think that crap takes time? Put the ball on the original line of scrimmage and let's go. The refs many times think the crowd is there to watch them and the game never gets in a flow. It drags the game out well beyond what it should be.
I have been attending football games since the 1970's and I've yet to attend or play a game that a flag is thrown every two plays and the refs have to discuss things for 10 minutes.
The refs are blamed for everything under the sun including the Sharon Tate murders. While I think refs can be more consistent, most do and adequate job for high school football. These guys aren't reffing for the money, but more for the love of the game.
When you have about 100 plays in any given game, I simply don't see flags thrown every other down which would be 50 flags, and I don't see the refs taking 10 minutes to discuss. Under this logic the game would an extra 6 hours. 50 flags times 10 minutes=500 minutes =6 hours 20 minutes.
The refs are also not the ones that are making the penalties. If anything, the refs have to decide when to throw a flag and when not to throw a flag.
Huh? I'm not a Franklin fan but I do have a deep appreciation for the program.
I would also be careful about what you read because some folks simply don't care for certain teams. Franklin has experienced a long lasting run of success for quite some time. Winning causes the opposition to make excuses and one of the excuses is with the refs.
Out of the mouths of more than fans of one team, in fact I have read at least 5 or 6 teams with the same gripe, I have also saw some things on the news and other films that would back up my argument that Franklin gets a little help sometimes. Not taking away from the program because it is good but they win alot of close games with teams that are equal to them on some questionable calls.
As far as refs not doing it for the money, well that's funny right there..I happen to know 2 refs from right here in Asheville who do love the game but the extra money is WHY they do it. They say it is very time consuming but fun and the extra money is needed.
I'm not an easy sell. If you have some video evidence that the refs are taking too long to make correct calls, send it to the NCHSAA. I've never been to a game where you had more than 2 flags that took an extraordinary amount of time for the refs to figure what happened. Most of the time there's a logical reason why it takes so long.
Refs have also been trained to work the games fairly and expediently without sacrificing quality of calls.
I also won't take thee word of "5 or 6 teams" that most likely lost to Franklin that Franklin "gets all the calls". One of the best rationalizations in the world is to blame losing a football game to the refs. Most of the time you will see that when refs blow calls, they usually blow calls for both teams.
Refs have also been trained to work the games fairly and expediently without sacrificing quality of calls.
I also won't take thee word of "5 or 6 teams" that most likely lost to Franklin that Franklin "gets all the calls". One of the best rationalizations in the world is to blame losing a football game to the refs. Most of the time you will see that when refs blow calls, they usually blow calls for both teams.
If your rationale was on point I don't think pro sports and college sports would be taking the steps they are taking in getting the questionable calls right! So we will just agree to disagree and I don't need to send you a video or anything...have fun arguing with that fence post.
Sure, there are guys that play for the money, but most time the money doesn't cover much more than the expenses. It's very time consuming and it's more than just reffing games too.
I know it's more than reffing. I have friends in it. If it weren't for the money they would not be there. Coaching is a different story because the money they get payed is crumbs for what they do.
That's an apples to oranges comparison. College and pro football have deep pockets that can help improve the quality of the game. High school has virtually no money. That's why you don't see instant replays in high school which, by the way, really slows the pace of the game down.
Blaming the refs for causing games to slow down isn't a strong argument. Sorry.
Hyperbole much? I am at multiple games every week. Yeah there are some that have more flags than usual, most of them are early in the season. There isn't much they can do with linemen jumping offsides. They kind of have to call that one.
The issue with walking off both penalties instead of just wiping them off is forced on them by the mechanics they use. The NCAA does it differently.
Since you are at Owen, I realize you probably don't get to see the forward pass as a concept in today's football as much as some of the rest of us but the more you throw, the more the clock stops. Remember the old saw about 3 things happen when you pass, and two of them are bad.
I gave you the primary reasons. If you want to blame the refs, have at it. As to someone gaining help, I note you didn't mention Kenny Ford squatting 5 yards out on the field, staying in his sideline's refs ear all game but I guess that's different since it's your school. I have no love for Franklin but I do admire the program that Coaches Goldsmith and Brooks have built .
The issue with walking off both penalties instead of just wiping them off is forced on them by the mechanics they use. The NCAA does it differently.
Since you are at Owen, I realize you probably don't get to see the forward pass as a concept in today's football as much as some of the rest of us but the more you throw, the more the clock stops. Remember the old saw about 3 things happen when you pass, and two of them are bad.
I gave you the primary reasons. If you want to blame the refs, have at it. As to someone gaining help, I note you didn't mention Kenny Ford squatting 5 yards out on the field, staying in his sideline's refs ear all game but I guess that's different since it's your school. I have no love for Franklin but I do admire the program that Coaches Goldsmith and Brooks have built .
I agree BlueVols. I like Coach Ford but he was known to have delayed a game a time or two for his sideline antics. He didn't mind intimidating a ref, but that can be part of the game.
I simply have never been to a game where every other play resulted in a penalty flag and each flag resulted in a 10 minute discussion among the refs. The refs aren't the ones jumping offside and not the ones holding the other team with their hands.
I simply have never been to a game where every other play resulted in a penalty flag and each flag resulted in a 10 minute discussion among the refs. The refs aren't the ones jumping offside and not the ones holding the other team with their hands.
Kenny squatting on the field 5 yards onto the playing surface did not slow the game down at all. I have watched many mac games which are virtually all spread teams with the exception of Asheville so I know the passing game slows down the game. I never argued that but my argument was that the passing game extends the game no more than the inability by most of the refs to call a game without taking it over. I know the obvious calls need to be made but I think all of us know that a foul could be called on almost all plays so when certain refs and or crews repeatedly flag flag and flag then there is a problem. Have you ever heard fans yelling let 'em play? That's the idea.
The refs, and not the crowd, officiate the games.
A penalty committed by a player is not the fault of the ref. If you want to make the argument that players slow down the game due to committing infractions, I'll agree with you.
A penalty committed by a player is not the fault of the ref. If you want to make the argument that players slow down the game due to committing infractions, I'll agree with you.
That's being a tad harsh on refs. They call the game from the field and not the stands. Some ref crews call the games more tight or more relaxed than others but a penalty is a penalty is a penalty.
In order to be a ref it doesn't take much. A little training but anyone can pretty much do it. Knowing who I know who do it including my friends and others that I know who do it, it leaves a little to be desired. Harsh or not it's the truth. Like I said you can call a penalty on every play so I guess you are justifying doing so since the kids committed the infraction
No justification whatsoever. I'm simply stating that the refs are on the field doing their jobs. Refs also have to choose on what infractions they call and what infractions they want to call. If anything, the refs speed up the game by not throwing a flag on every play as you have described several times.
So Kenny NEVER got a flag or a sideline warning for it, which would have stopped the infernal clock, by the way. Must have worked for him then. Kudos.
I may put in better terms but the general idea. Heck I yell at one of them from the stands Everytime he does our games. He thinks it's funny, so do I but it doesn't change they are not very good. I'm not saying I would wanna do it because I wouldnt. You have to have thick skin and I frankly dont. Heck one of the guys is trying to talk me into doing it too but no way.
Sure Kenny got a warning every game but ultimately I think that was something that refs could have looked past and called the game and not slow it down with it. Should he have been on the field, probably not but I liked that he was so close to everything. It was funny and unique to him. Speaking of, I have a funny story about Kenny on the field. Back when we played at Shuford he would squat down during a play and grab a piece of grass and chew on it, when we got the turf up at the high school he just out of habit squatted and reached down to do the same thing and done a double take at the ground when he came up empty. He shook his head and stood up, it kinda just hit me as very funny. He was quite the character and he will be missed on the sidelines. He does a pretty good job on tv and radio though so he is not gone.
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That statement says a lot. There is a severe shortage of officials in all sports, doesn't seem to be long lines waiting on those big checks that doesn't take much to get.
My next door neighbor officiates high school football games. He actually loses money on the gig every year but does it because it helps keep him in shape and to give back to the community. It takes much more effort and time than just running around on the football field with a whistle. He's reffed before while being under the weather but will still ref the game. He has told me that most coaches expect only that the refs hustle. Most could care less if the ref blows one or two calls. He's also had coaches whisper in his ear "Hey, you made the right call, but the best way to motivate my troops is to throw a fit". Some coaches deserve acting awards for their behavior.
It's not that the checks are big, just extra needed money. My friend says they need some more refs. That's why he was trying to talk me into it but I just don't want any part of it. I could use the money but not that bad. I wouldn't want to miss our games to call someone elses.
I have been told by the old times that for years the games started at 8:00.The first team to go to 7:30 was Canton under coach Boyd Allan.He changed it at the request of shift workers in the mill who went in at 10 on the night shift.
