What’s holding Bess kid back from going to larger division I college ? Seems to me like he’s got the tools. Enlighten me . What’s his weaknesses. Got size, sees the field, and can throw darts. Seems smart enough. Just wondering!
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Good question. I've been wondering as well. I'd think App would be interested for obvious reasons.
I think it’s the system that’s hurts the recruitment. Had a conversation with another former qb there, and told him then, that in my opinion, recruiters apparently look at the quarterbacks as products of Shelby’s system. On this run of state titles, you have 4 different quarterbacks who all were state champions and put up big numbers. Darquez Lee threw for 4,500 yards. That production elsewhere would normally put you on everyone’s radar.
Yet, you see quarterbacks in Charlotte who throw for a lot less yardage, yet, get much greater interest. I guess college recruiters look at the competition, too. Bess has the prototypical size, at a legit 6’4”, but I think Shelby’s system, in addition to being 2A, and going up against 2A competition has actually hurt him, recruiting wise. He does have offers from Charleston Southern, Campbell, and Gardner Webb currently, though.
Yet, you see quarterbacks in Charlotte who throw for a lot less yardage, yet, get much greater interest. I guess college recruiters look at the competition, too. Bess has the prototypical size, at a legit 6’4”, but I think Shelby’s system, in addition to being 2A, and going up against 2A competition has actually hurt him, recruiting wise. He does have offers from Charleston Southern, Campbell, and Gardner Webb currently, though.
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In my opinion I think he’s been overlooked. I think he’s legit division one. Can you picture him behind a college caliber offensive line. What’s his weight ? And ain’t he a three year starter ?
I agree with you Lion Attack. Combination of system, level of competition. Other than a few non conference games, Shelby QB’s stats come against average or below 2A teams. Very few D1 DB’s at that level.
Much like QB’s from Houston and Texas Tech over the years. Mid level competition and pass happy offenses.
Much like QB’s from Houston and Texas Tech over the years. Mid level competition and pass happy offenses.
Can’t coach size and strength but a weight program at college would make a bull out of him.
Maybe alittle of his footwork too hes more pocket passer..they want both in collage.
Shame hes got good grades and a great young man.
And too what LA says...
Shame hes got good grades and a great young man.
And too what LA says...
Seeing how humbling recruiting was, those three offers that he has look like Alabama, NC State, and UNC to me, so I’m sure that he and his family are grateful. The thing that annoyed me the most about the process is that the recruiters talk to the student athlete, primarily, never any parent involvement. They DM/text the athlete, visit him at the school, occasional phone calls. They gas these young men up, and leave them hanging. I imagine it’s different for big time prospects, but when you’re a little known prospect and just trying to get in somewhere, it’s beyond humbling for these young men. I read that only 6% of graduating seniors get an opportunity to play on the next level to begin with.
Sad thing for our county..i was working at GWebb for the fb coach. I ask him ..hey coach u need to stay more in CC and recruit
...He said i have been.. but alot of the kids dont have the grades..
Sad but true...he said kids from all 4
Schools.
I wish there was a better way to work with the athletes that have bad grades to help the process for next level...
LA it was great your son went to next level on academics..I still think that was awesome and i tell him when i see him.
Anyway hope we can get more kids into collage
...He said i have been.. but alot of the kids dont have the grades..
Sad but true...he said kids from all 4
Schools.
I wish there was a better way to work with the athletes that have bad grades to help the process for next level...
LA it was great your son went to next level on academics..I still think that was awesome and i tell him when i see him.
Anyway hope we can get more kids into collage
Has any QB from Cleveland County ever gone to big school or Power 5 team to play QB? There has been a lot of good ones.
Well, I am not sure the level of competition has very much to do with recruiting from my experiences over many, many decades.
Prime example is Kyle Pinnix, the Reidsville JR QB. He is receiving major recruiting attention from Duke and Wake Forest among others and the Rams schedule (in conference) has been rightfully ridiculed by many on these boards.
If you have the skills and fit the offenses that any particular college wants to run, they will find you.
Prime example is Kyle Pinnix, the Reidsville JR QB. He is receiving major recruiting attention from Duke and Wake Forest among others and the Rams schedule (in conference) has been rightfully ridiculed by many on these boards.
If you have the skills and fit the offenses that any particular college wants to run, they will find you.
Not trying to be negative or anything, this is a legitimate question, I’m sure you have more knowledge than I do, but being this late into his junior season and he, as of yet, not been offered by any of those major FBS schools, is that not a concern? It just seems that the big schools, FBS, Power 5 schools offer early, and in most cases, if a prospect hasn’t been offered by or during his junior year, he is unlikely to actually get an offer by any of those major schools. You very seldom hear of those schools offering senior quarterbacks, because in most cases, they have already offered who they’d planned to offer.
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I think the young man could shine if given the opportunity. And I think you said he’s a Junior. Oh my, I’d sure shoot way higher than Gardner Webb. I think after the playoffs he will be on more teams radar. I wish him the best. Good luck Lions.
He may not get those offers, but I would think someone like A&T should be knocking on the door. Especially them being right down the road.
They don't like to talk to parents(I can see both sides). When parents are too involved or helicopter parents it reflects on the student athelte's maturity level. The next level is basically adulthood, so it's looked at as why is an adult having their parents handle everything.
Alot of parents dont push grades early enough. You have to start the study habits young like 6/7, not wait until high school or last minute as if you're cramming, when it's harder to start the habit.
True, many of them show interest also in grade 9 or 10, then they attend those camps and combines to solidify the offer by grade 11, even though they may not chose until the 12th hour of their senior year.
In 2A you have to just about totally dominate the competition to get the power 5 schools attention. For example, Hollifield was a game changing dominant LB at Shelby, and if I recall not many outside of regional ACC teams really wanted him. Now, if he played at Mallard Creek, or even Crest,I think the national attention would have been greater.
Just my 2 cents that might be worth 4 due to inflation. Bess will end up somewhere nice. ECU have an interest?
Just my 2 cents that might be worth 4 due to inflation. Bess will end up somewhere nice. ECU have an interest?
Okay, I can see that. It just bothered me, because as a parent, you’re more experienced at dealing with people, you could tell if they, the recruiters, were just bull........ to put it bluntly. Another mistake I’ve seen, is that you will have these kids thinking they are D1 from the flirtation with these FBS/FCS schools, they will turn their noses up to D2 schools, which were probably their true “fit” to begin with, then they end up with nothing, maybe a partial offer from somewhere, and partial doesn’t even mean half of a full ride.
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Shelby folks rate your top 5 quarterbacks in order since you all went to the passing attack just curious what you think.
At the end of the day, I think any chance to play on the next level, regardless the division, is a good thing on a full ride. Kids need to understand this, and not get caught up in what sounds good to other people.
2a is the real issue. Not right but that's how they look at it.
I won’t get too into this discussion. All I will say, though, is Malik snd Rj would argue that the other two had better receivers and O line play during their senior year. I do know that. There are things that I love/loved about all 4 of them, and obviously things that I didn’t like. I like Bess and Lee’s gunslinger mentalities. I liked Sarratt and George’s escapability and leadership. All could really spin it.
Yes. He has the offers. IB student who is also very smart.
Maybe I should have used current Wake Forest QB Jamie Newman as an example. He played for Graham, one of the worst football programs in the state for the past decade or so. His stats were terrible, primarily because Graham had few, if any, wide receivers who could actually catch a football.
But Wake Forest liked his skills and the rest, as they say, is history.
Too many times fans want to look at passing stats to judge QB prospects when they are largely meaningless to college recruiters. Things like arm strength, accuracy, height, speed, brains, etc are what they are looking for. And if any high school QB possesses those attributes, he will get on a lot of radars. And they MUST go to the camps and combines.
I know Reidsville, like Shelby, has had many great high school QBs over the years with great stats and accomplishments, but they just did not have the package of skills to play Div I.
I saw Newman, and learned that he played at Graham, and knew y’all had obviously seen him. He’s really good, he has a chance to eventually play on Sundays, in my opinion, a lot better. Funny thing is, he’s better than Hartman, in my opinion, but had Hartman never gotten hurt, we wouldn’t have ever heard or seen Newman on the field, the red shirt junior.
Newman had one good player on his team. He showed dedication staying on that team. It was a rumor of him transferring to reidsville.
Lion Attack thanks for considering cuz that high. I didn’t know how you felt about his skills. But I’d put Bess as a passer and the grades in classroom at the top. He distributed the ball well. I hope he lands in a good situation. And stays healthy. Thanks for your breakdown.
I just figured someone was your kin. No argument here, though, that best thing is subjective, but I know Malik Sarratt personally, and know that he scored over a 1200 on his SAT, and is currently a student at NC State, so he’s definitely in the discussion, “grades in the classroom at the top”.
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As strange as it may seem, there are a lot of Wake Forest fans that are closely associated with the football program that think Hartman may be the better of the two down the road.
If that is true, then the Deacons really hit the jackpot with Newman and Hartman.
I may be a little prejudiced towards Hartman as his grandfather Bob Hartman was one of my regular tennis doubles partners when we were both much, much younger.
actually he was recruited and offered by
Notre dame
Alabama
Stanford
Va tech
Clemson
Carolina
South Carolina
Florida state
Penn state
Maryland
Tennessee
Duke
Virginia
Louisville
Wake forest
many have missed a couple but sure of these
Oh don’t get me wrong, Hartman is impressive, I followed him in high school some, and he looked good, no doubt, until he broke his leg. But, he has a very slight build. Wake has put a few pounds on him, but he’s still slight of build. It will be interesting to see how he holds up. Newman has that prototypical size, both impressive, though.As strange as it may seem, there are a lot of Wake Forest fans that are closely associated with the football program that think Hartman may be the better of the two down the road.
If that is true, then the Deacons really hit the jackpot with Newman and Hartman.
I may be a little prejudiced towards Hartman as his grandfather Bob Hartman was one of my regular tennis doubles partners when we were both much, much younger.
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Yep! And, his brother is becoming an even bigger prospect than he was. I just read an article recently about how impressed he was with Michigan.
Qb situation at shelby the last few years has been special
Lee had an absolute Cannon for an arm and like LA said he had 4500 yards and 60 tds in his one and only year as our Qb. What a lot fail to realize was he had probably the best offensive line I’ve seen in all my years at shelby ! While he did have very good pocket presence where he could feel the pressure and step up into the pocket he was rarely touched that year . Watched his hudl highlights and look at the time he had to stand back there ! Didn’t hurt to have the receiving core he had either and he was deadly accurate on crossing patterns, the mesh and the long ball ..
Malik was an absolute warrior ! He had a good line his junior season and they never trailed in game all season! Outstanding long ball ! His senior season he ran for his life the entire season , the line play was not very good but still a semi final appearance on a bad leg as he was very hurt ( it was obvious) for the late part of that season but stood in there And gave his all for his school and team ... absolute warrior and I admire the heck out of him for it and I’d want a qb with that mentality every single year if possible (he was deadly accurate when he had time)
George was a warrior also he didn’t have the gaudy passing numbers as my previous two but he could spin it and was just a winner , he’d do whatever it took to win, run the ball throw the ball etc
Bess has a cannon for all arm not as elusive as the others (well more on par with lee on speed) but can spin the rock as well. Huge upside I think and has flashes of brilliance threading the needle but still some accuracy issues (occasionally)on some long balls but still a winner also very smart like Malik and you can see his passion on the field ( great family as well and little ((big)) brother JP is already an absolute monster in 8th grade...
I would have loved to have seen Darryl Montgomery in this system ! He had over a thousand every year in the flex bone! Imagine the numbers he would have put up in the air raid ... he was a winner and a field general that would do whatever it took as well
All of them mentioned gave their all for our golden lions and we’ve been lucky to watch them all play
Lee had an absolute Cannon for an arm and like LA said he had 4500 yards and 60 tds in his one and only year as our Qb. What a lot fail to realize was he had probably the best offensive line I’ve seen in all my years at shelby ! While he did have very good pocket presence where he could feel the pressure and step up into the pocket he was rarely touched that year . Watched his hudl highlights and look at the time he had to stand back there ! Didn’t hurt to have the receiving core he had either and he was deadly accurate on crossing patterns, the mesh and the long ball ..
Malik was an absolute warrior ! He had a good line his junior season and they never trailed in game all season! Outstanding long ball ! His senior season he ran for his life the entire season , the line play was not very good but still a semi final appearance on a bad leg as he was very hurt ( it was obvious) for the late part of that season but stood in there And gave his all for his school and team ... absolute warrior and I admire the heck out of him for it and I’d want a qb with that mentality every single year if possible (he was deadly accurate when he had time)
George was a warrior also he didn’t have the gaudy passing numbers as my previous two but he could spin it and was just a winner , he’d do whatever it took to win, run the ball throw the ball etc
Bess has a cannon for all arm not as elusive as the others (well more on par with lee on speed) but can spin the rock as well. Huge upside I think and has flashes of brilliance threading the needle but still some accuracy issues (occasionally)on some long balls but still a winner also very smart like Malik and you can see his passion on the field ( great family as well and little ((big)) brother JP is already an absolute monster in 8th grade...
I would have loved to have seen Darryl Montgomery in this system ! He had over a thousand every year in the flex bone! Imagine the numbers he would have put up in the air raid ... he was a winner and a field general that would do whatever it took as well
All of them mentioned gave their all for our golden lions and we’ve been lucky to watch them all play
You’re the best man! That’s was brilliantly put with great analysis.
Thanks. I was getting ready to do this. Sometimes frank seems to have lost more than his password.
And how many of those are outside of the ACC region? Depending on your opinion of Maryland, I count 4, which is not many.
Try harder.
