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Harding at East Forsyth

Bumblebee,
Butler does not fall into the category of East because since 1992 EF has been to ONE regional final. Butler has also won the big games recently and been to I don't know how many regional finals since 2000 and won 3 state titles since 2009. East Forsyth hasn't been to a state title game since 1992.
 
If they were to win it this year by going through CC, Dudley and Scotland (but not Butler or MC), I wonder what the discussion would be? The discussion would be we are the 4A State Champs! Butler has won 3 State Championships, bad to compare with a team that has never won the Big one. Talk about a Shot @ what ring? It's a big difference from having to play a team on your way to the State Championship vs them actually being a contender. Wake Forest out east are the poster boys for almost! EF is trying to take their title.
 
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Bumblebee,
Butler does not fall into the category of East because since 1992 EF has been to ONE regional final. Butler has also won the big games recently and been to I don't know how many regional finals since 2000 and won 3 state titles since 2009. East Forsyth hasn't been to a state title game since 1992.

No they haven't. Still knocking on the door. I'm just glad to be close enough to have the debate. Might not be good enough for you guys but it is for me. Hopefully this is the year we break through. Independence was really good back around 2000 as well so they must be really good now too, right? I was just focusing on what's happened the last few years but obviously I don't understand.
 
If they were to win it this year by going through CC, Dudley and Scotland (but not Butler or MC), I wonder what the discussion would be? The discussion would be we are the 4A State Champs! Butler has won 3 State Championships, bad to compare with a team that has never won the Big one. Talk about a Shot @ what ring? It's a big difference from having to play a team on your way to the State Championship vs them actually being a contender. Wake Forest out east are the poster boys for almost! EF is trying to take their title.

I don't get what you're saying, but it sounds like you misunderstood my question. I'm curious as to whether they would still be looked down on even with a ring because they didn't go through MC and Butler, or if just getting the ring and going through what you have considered quality programs to do so would be enough? I'm not projecting they will (I like the horse/cart image though...it's cute), just asking if it's the ring that matters or just beating certain teams. Trying to understand the criteria for not being a "poster boy".
 
Independence was really good back around 2000 as well so they must be really good now too, right? I was just focusing on what's happened the last few years but obviously I don't understand.
Butler hasn't lost a playoff game to a non-eventual 4AA state champ since losing to Indy in 2008. If not for Mallard Creek's current 3 year run, you're probably talking about a team that has won 6 of the last 7 4AA state titles and comparing it to a team that hasn't sniffed a state final since 1992...and saying it's the same thing? Or maybe I don't understand?
 
I don't get what you're saying, but it sounds like you misunderstood my question. I'm curious as to whether they would still be looked down on even with a ring because they didn't go through MC and Butler, or if just getting the ring and going through what you have considered quality programs to do so would be enough? I'm not projecting they will (I like the horse/cart image though...it's cute), just asking if it's the ring that matters or just beating certain teams. Trying to understand the criteria for not being a "poster boy".

The answer to that question to me is simple. They would have had to beat at a minimum 3 quality teams to win a title and that would be a helluva year. Can they sustain it would be the next question but I consider wins over a Catholic, Dudley and Scotland any less than MC and Butler?? Nope.

You guys keep talking about being in the hunt but you really haven't been able to string 2 years in a row together. Great team in 2012 but you go two years in a row not getting out of the 2nd round. Now we make it to the regional final last year so lets see what happens. I believe anything less than another trip to a regional final would have to be considered disappointing.

I just want to see East Forsyth beat a real quality team just once in the playoffs. Not West Forsyth or a Harding. Beat a powerhouse and get to a title game and then we can start talking about them as being a contender.
 
I don't get what you're saying, but it sounds like you misunderstood my question. I'm curious as to whether they would still be looked down on even with a ring because they didn't go through MC and Butler, or if just getting the ring and going through what you have considered quality programs to do so would be enough? I'm not projecting they will (I like the horse/cart image though...it's cute), just asking if it's the ring that matters or just beating certain teams. Trying to understand the criteria for not being a "poster boy".

Who cares what people think or how they look at you once you get a ring! Take a picture of ring and post it. Tell them to shut up and have a seat! :)

EF should do less talking and just play ball. Stop talking about how many fans would be @ the game if they played Dudley in the Regional Finals. Or how they would match up if they play CC. The comments on how people perceive the program, is non stop. Why people bash us, is non stop. I remember when MC was talking about playing Butler in the regional finals and forgot they had to play Vance in 2010. They lost! The more attention you bring to your program unfortunately the harder teams come at you. Stop looking ahead and worrying about who gives you respect and just get ready for Harding.

If you are who you think you are, it will all work out?
 
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The answer to that question to me is simple. They would have had to beat at a minimum 3 quality teams to win a title and that would be a helluva year. Can they sustain it would be the next question but I consider wins over a Catholic, Dudley and Scotland any less than MC and Butler?? Nope.

You guys keep talking about being in the hunt but you really haven't been able to string 2 years in a row together. Great team in 2012 but you go two years in a row not getting out of the 2nd round. Now we make it to the regional final last year so lets see what happens. I believe anything less than another trip to a regional final would have to be considered disappointing.

I just want to see East Forsyth beat a real quality team just once in the playoffs. Not West Forsyth or a Harding. Beat a powerhouse and get to a title game and then we can start talking about them as being a contender.
Got it. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Who cares what people think or how they look at you once you get a ring! Take a picture of ring and post it. Tell them to shut up and have a seat! :)

EF should do less talking and just play ball. Stop talking about how many fans would be @ the game if they played Dudley in the Regional Finals. Or how they would match up if they play CC. The comments on how people perceive the program, is non stop. Why people bash us, is non stop. I remember when MC was talking about playing Butler in the regional finals and forgot they had to play Vance in 2010. They lost! The more attention you bring to your program unfortunately the harder teams come at you. Stop looking ahead and worrying about who gives you respect and just get ready for Harding.

If you are who you think you are, it will all work out?
I guess i misunderstood but i thought this was a message board where talking about football is normal. And since you guys love putting the team down, i was just curious about what the experts would consider success so we know what to shoot for. Like I've said many times, there are a couple dillusional fans that give you guys a lot to call out as ridiculous. But if they want to talk about a matchup with Dudley who cares. What matters is what the coaches and players are doing.
 
. And since you guys love putting the team down, i was just curious about what the experts would consider success so we know what to shoot for. .

WHo is putting them down?? You guys keep looking for this respect. Just go win a game and then go win another one. I don't know anyone who has said they aren't a good team. You don't get credit for almost winning.

The program gets flack from some of us not because we don't think there good. Its because goofy fans try to make them more than what they are.
 
Who cares what WE talk about. That has no effect on the players and coaching staff.

It would be incredible if East can beat Charlotte Catholic, Dudley, and Scotland though. I'm really excited for this years playoff.

BTW. I'm not an East Forsyth "fan", but I do want to see them do well.
 
WHo is putting them down?? You guys keep looking for this respect. Just go win a game and then go win another one. I don't know anyone who has said they aren't a good team. You don't get credit for almost winning.

The program gets flack from some of us not because we don't think there good. Its because goofy fans try to make them more than what they are.

Uhhh, posters from the Charlotte area put them down. "Can't win the big one", "poster boys for almost" and "can't perform in prime time", that's what we're referring to. It's on multiple sites so don't act like I'm making any of this up. B&G brought up the Providence game on this thread, our village idiots made dumb comments as usual and it went downhill from there. We're not looking for respect, just don't want to see labels put on the program that aren't warranted. Wish we could do something about the goofy fans though....
 
I will take the bait.....why does EF coach not like Charlotte teams? I get the losing part, but what's the issue with the 704? Sincerely interested, spill the goods man.....
Because he hardly ever wins games against Charlotte teams. Then it's a good thing EF is in 4A. They'll see less Charlotte teams.
 
Uhhh, posters from the Charlotte area put them down. "Can't win the big one", "poster boys for almost" and "can't perform in prime time", that's what we're referring to. It's on multiple sites so don't act like I'm making any of this up. B&G brought up the Providence game on this thread, our village idiots made dumb comments as usual and it went downhill from there. We're not looking for respect, just don't want to see labels put on the program that aren't warranted. Wish we could do something about the goofy fans though....

Its not putting them down. Its just reality...... Name one big game that East Forsyth has won?? West Forsyth last year? A 7-4 Page team in 2012?

Its the same " label" that was put on Mallard Creek 2010-11. Now, the difference is Willert has been there 13 years and has yet to win one single big time playoff game. You get a label because most times its correct. Don't blame it on the Charlotte posters.
 
I don't think I admonished anyone...I just said I wish Charlotte fans would give East a little credit for the good job they have done over there. If you guys remember at one time many fans on here were saying that the Mallard Creek coach was the reason they couldn't win the big one. Now they are saying he's one of the greatest of all time. I really think coach Willert is a great coach and one day they'll get over the hump and when they do I hope people really give him and his staff the credit they deserved. They took that program from the gutter and have made them a State contender. In my opinion thats much tougher than taking over a new program or somewhere with a winning tradition and adding to it.
You better hope that East doesn't win it all this year. I know it's probably coming from some people. Some will say that East couldn't win the big one in 4AA and it took them going small to win it. I don't believe that, but I'm just pointing out what may be coming if they win it all this year.
 
Uhhh, posters from the Charlotte area put them down. "Can't win the big one", "poster boys for almost" and "can't perform in prime time", that's what we're referring to. It's on multiple sites so don't act like I'm making any of this up. B&G brought up the Providence game on this thread, our village idiots made dumb comments as usual and it went downhill from there. We're not looking for respect, just don't want to see labels put on the program that aren't warranted. Wish we could do something about the goofy fans though....

Me personally! I usually wait until the game happens before i start talking about match up in the playoffs. I'm sure there are people on hear that are very familiar with Dudley & EF match up's or CC vs EF match up. I'm not the guy!

Fans are not going to stop labeling you, even after you win a State Championship. Don't put the jabs on just Charlotte. They come from all over. They could care less if they're warranted or not. I've heard worst things said about MC and they've won State Championships.
 
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Because he hardly ever wins games against Charlotte teams. Then it's a good thing EF is in 4A. They'll see less Charlotte teams.

I don't think Willert cares where a team is from. He is too concerned with his own team. Ignore this comment and move on....
 
I don't think I admonished anyone...I just said I wish Charlotte fans would give East a little credit for the good job they have done over there. If you guys remember at one time many fans on here were saying that the Mallard Creek coach was the reason they couldn't win the big one. Now they are saying he's one of the greatest of all time. I really think coach Willert is a great coach and one day they'll get over the hump and when they do I hope people really give him and his staff the credit they deserved. They took that program from the gutter and have made them a State contender. In my opinion thats much tougher than taking over a new program or somewhere with a winning tradition and adding to it.

I'm not a psychologist, but I've studied how the mind works and motivation over the last several years. Before Mallard Creek won the big one, it wasn't their coach. I got ridiculed a bit, but when after they lost to Page in 2011, I stated the game had gotten into their heads. That can happen from the coach on down to the assistants and the players. Up until that time, Mallard Creek had been blowing teams out with a so so schedule. After that 2011 debacle, the next season, they opened with Butler. The following year, they played Dillon in Dillon. They won that game. They began to see they could win those tough games in a tough environment. So, they have one of the toughest schedules in the state every year now.

I'm sure coach Willert is doing a great job at East. His players have bought in. I'm sure I'll get ridiculed here, as I was a few years ago by fans of Mallard Creek. Charlotte teams have gotten into their heads. Again, this can happen from the coach on down. Therefore, when they start coming back, they blow a lead to Providence in 2014. Last year, they blew a lead on Mallard Creek. I'm not a native, but I've lived in Charlotte since 2009. East blew it big time against a team they had on the ropes. I saw the game. East played tight in the second half of the fourth quarter and in overtime.

In 2012, with one of their best teams, they couldn't seal the deal against Butler. I don't want to hear, "well, if the game was played in Kernersville...". It wasn't. You've got to have experience to get your mindset right in playing in tight games, against good teams on the road. East hasn't conquered that monster either. Not with playing one playoff game on the road since 2012.

Butler had to get over that mindset hump against Tommy Knotts and his Independence teams. Mallard Creek had to get over the same mindset hump against Butler, then other good teams on the road. In like manner, coach Willert and his East teams are going to have to get over that same mindset hump against top teams and then win on the road.

I've been following high school football for over 55 years. I've seen this same pattern play out time and time again. Playing Harding, Olympic and Independence when they were down is a decent start, but they've got to start developing the mindset that they can win against the top tier teams, not just play with them.

I'm sure they feel they have a tough schedule when they play a top triad teams, like Reagan when they good. Ok, that's a good start. But it's just that; a start. Take 2014 for example. Reagan finished the regular season 10-1. Their only loss was against East 45-31. They then proceeded to knock off A.L. Brown 50-42 and North Davidson 48-24. Then they meet Catholic....a 49-0 loss. Uhhhh..the tough Triad schedule just wasn't enough. The same holds true for East.

If they want to attain that elite status and truly be considered elite, they need to get their mindset right. The only way to do that, is to amp up their schedule and schedule those games away from Kernersville. When they start winning some of those games, then they'll be ready, not only with ability, but with the correct mindset as well.
 
Its not putting them down. Its just reality...... Name one big game that East Forsyth has won?? West Forsyth last year? A 7-4 Page team in 2012?

Its the same " label" that was put on Mallard Creek 2010-11. Now, the difference is Willert has been there 13 years and has yet to win one single big time playoff game. You get a label because most times its correct. Don't blame it on the Charlotte posters.

I hope this just means we're due for a 3-peat then!
 
I'm not a psychologist, but I've studied how the mind works and motivation over the last several years. Before Mallard Creek won the big one, it wasn't their coach. I got ridiculed a bit, but when after they lost to Page in 2011, I stated the game had gotten into their heads. That can happen from the coach on down to the assistants and the players. Up until that time, Mallard Creek had been blowing teams out with a so so schedule. After that 2011 debacle, the next season, they opened with Butler. The following year, they played Dillon in Dillon. They won that game. They began to see they could win those tough games in a tough environment. So, they have one of the toughest schedules in the state every year now.

I'm sure coach Willert is doing a great job at East. His players have bought in. I'm sure I'll get ridiculed here, as I was a few years ago by fans of Mallard Creek. Charlotte teams have gotten into their heads. Again, this can happen from the coach on down. Therefore, when they start coming back, they blow a lead to Providence in 2014. Last year, they blew a lead on Mallard Creek. I'm not a native, but I've lived in Charlotte since 2009. East blew it big time against a team they had on the ropes. I saw the game. East played tight in the second half of the fourth quarter and in overtime.

In 2012, with one of their best teams, they couldn't seal the deal against Butler. I don't want to hear, "well, if the game was played in Kernersville...". It wasn't. You've got to have experience to get your mindset right in playing in tight games, against good teams on the road. East hasn't conquered that monster either. Not with playing one playoff game on the road since 2012.

Butler had to get over that mindset hump against Tommy Knotts and his Independence teams. Mallard Creek had to get over the same mindset hump against Butler, then other good teams on the road. In like manner, coach Willert and his East teams are going to have to get over that same mindset hump against top teams and then win on the road.

I've been following high school football for over 55 years. I've seen this same pattern play out time and time again. Playing Harding, Olympic and Independence when they were down is a decent start, but they've got to start developing the mindset that they can win against the top tier teams, not just play with them.

I'm sure they feel they have a tough schedule when they play a top triad teams, like Reagan when they good. Ok, that's a good start. But it's just that; a start. Take 2014 for example. Reagan finished the regular season 10-1. Their only loss was against East 45-31. They then proceeded to knock off A.L. Brown 50-42 and North Davidson 48-24. Then they meet Catholic....a 49-0 loss. Uhhhh..the tough Triad schedule just wasn't enough. The same holds true for East.

If they want to attain that elite status and truly be considered elite, they need to get their mindset right. The only way to do that, is to amp up their schedule and schedule those games away from Kernersville. When they start winning some of those games, then they'll be ready, not only with ability, but with the correct mindset as well.

Good post Honda and I agree with a lot of this. The schedule thing has been discussed before and it's out of their hands for the most part. I don't know that they got tight in the 4th quarter against MC last year. They picked up 1 first down on the last drive and just needed one more to bleed the clock. They didn't and the rest is history. (side note: where is LJ at now? talk about a player...) But they were definitely tight in OT. Calling 3 straight jump balls in the end zone to the same guy screamed desperation to me. The one thing I'll give them credit for is they haven't wet the bed and been blown out like Reagan and West have when in the same position. I know there are no moral victories but the gap is not that great so they're close mentally. It's just about making those few plays at critical moments. Gotta love this time of year!!
 
LJ is currently playing for Eastern Kentucky. He's doing everything, including starting @ wr and starting a couple of games at QB. He is projected to be the starting QB next year full time.
 
Good post Honda and I agree with a lot of this. The schedule thing has been discussed before and it's out of their hands for the most part. I don't know that they got tight in the 4th quarter against MC last year. They picked up 1 first down on the last drive and just needed one more to bleed the clock. They didn't and the rest is history. (side note: where is LJ at now? talk about a player...) But they were definitely tight in OT. Calling 3 straight jump balls in the end zone to the same guy screamed desperation to me. The one thing I'll give them credit for is they haven't wet the bed and been blown out like Reagan and West have when in the same position. I know there are no moral victories but the gap is not that great so they're close mentally. It's just about making those few plays at critical moments. Gotta love this time of year!!

I think the one thing you are both missing in this talk of mental hurdles is teams like 2011 Page , 2012 Butler or 2013 -15 Mallard Creek were also great teams on both sides of the ball.

2012 East Forsyth was an elite defensive team but the offense was average. When they couldnt pound it on Butler they had no second option.

2015 East Forsyth was elite offensively but just couldnt stop the run. They had never seen a big physical team like Mallard Creek and they just couldnt get stops when they needed it.
 
LJ is currently playing for Eastern Kentucky. He's doing everything, including starting @ wr and starting a couple of games at QB. He is projected to be the starting QB next year full time.

Glad to hear it! Thanks for the update!
 
Saw Nique Martin in a Juco game. He's playing for Palmetto Prep. He should be a big pick up for some program.
 
When I read your post, Mister Honda, the one that claimed you're a " shade tree shrink, " and you "can read certain individual's minds," this struck a nerve in the cranium wiring, for I, too, Mister Honda, have been called the same title, hearing such comments as, " What do you think you are, some kind of shade tree shrink, slash some kind of mind reader, " or other statements such as, " What do you think you are, some kind of shade tree shrink slash some kind of mind reader, " even some ex's stating comments such as, " What do you think you are, some kind of shade tree shrink slash some kind of damn mind reader ? " I can totally relate to the statement you typed in your essay concerning delivering shade tree discoveries.
P.S. Congrats on fifty five years of following high school gridiron action, Mister Honda, and I remember from one of your posts from quite a while back that you've lived in North Carolina for ten years. In which state did you follow the other fourty five years ?
 
When I read your post, Mister Honda, the one that claimed you're a " shade tree shrink, " and you "can read certain individual's minds," this struck a nerve in the cranium wiring, for I, too, Mister Honda, have been called the same title, hearing such comments as, " What do you think you are, some kind of shade tree shrink, slash some kind of mind reader, " or other statements such as, " What do you think you are, some kind of shade tree shrink slash some kind of mind reader, " even some ex's stating comments such as, " What do you think you are, some kind of shade tree shrink slash some kind of damn mind reader ? " I can totally relate to the statement you typed in your essay concerning delivering shade tree discoveries.
P.S. Congrats on fifty five years of following high school gridiron action, Mister Honda, and I remember from one of your posts from quite a while back that you've lived in North Carolina for ten years. In which state did you follow the other fourty five years ?

Good question. I followed in Virginia, Pennsylvania, Maryland, West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana and Texas.
 
I think the one thing you are both missing in this talk of mental hurdles is teams like 2011 Page , 2012 Butler or 2013 -15 Mallard Creek were also great teams on both sides of the ball.

2012 East Forsyth was an elite defensive team but the offense was average. When they couldnt pound it on Butler they had no second option.

2015 East Forsyth was elite offensively but just couldnt stop the run. They had never seen a big physical team like Mallard Creek and they just couldnt get stops when they needed it.

I wasn't speaking of strictly physical qualities. I mentioned Mallard Creek 2013-2015, regarding their mindset. Now regarding 2011 Page, they fell behind Butler something like 26-7 in the first half. They came back and won that game against Butler. So, when they fell behind Mallard Creek the following week by 19-6, they KNEW they could come back. That 2012 Butler team, along with the tremendous talent they had, had the mindset of a champion. They KNEW they were going to win every time they stepped on the field because of their previous success and championships.

2012 East Forsyth? Great talent, but again mindset got in the way. How do I know? Coach Willert and their QB (can't remember his name), commented in the paper, that some calls didn't go their way, but that's the way it goes when you're on the road.
 
If you don't defend the run well you may be in for a game. Harding can throw a bit, but not really that well.
#27 is one of the best RBs I have ever seen. Kind of like Hood almost in terms of how big he is, how hard he runs and such. Already got offers from Clemson and Michigan among others.
They run the single wing which has proved to be the perfect offense for them.
If your run defense is stout you should be good. Catholic shut them down up 46-0 at half and held that kid to 50yrds on out 1st team D so I know they can be stopped, but not sure what EF brings to the table in terms of run D.
I think EF will win this handily though, may be close early but the Eagles will pull away.

You weren't kidding about #27. Kid is a beast! And he's just a sophomore, crazy! He had a few nice runs but East did a pretty good job shutting him down. I'm guessing somewhere around 50-75 yards maybe?

East controlled this one as expected. Up 36-0 in the 3rd when Harding #2 busted a long one - impressive kid too! East QB then made a really poor read on a screen pass that was returned for a td. Came back with a solid td drive to go back up 43-14 and then gave up a late td in garbage time. Harding has some players, just need a passing game to complement some quality backs. Short on numbers as well, a lot of guys going both ways makes it tough.

Beal had another good game with 3 td's, one on a nifty punt return. On to ND...
 
You weren't kidding about #27. Kid is a beast! And he's just a sophomore, crazy! He had a few nice runs but East did a pretty good job shutting him down. I'm guessing somewhere around 50-75 yards maybe?

East controlled this one as expected. Up 36-0 in the 3rd when Harding #2 busted a long one - impressive kid too! East QB then made a really poor read on a screen pass that was returned for a td. Came back with a solid td drive to go back up 43-14 and then gave up a late td in garbage time. Harding has some players, just need a passing game to complement some quality backs. Short on numbers as well, a lot of guys going both ways makes it tough.

Beal had another good game with 3 td's, one on a nifty punt return. On to ND...

The crowd around me had a chuckle at Beal getting crowd surfed into the end zone. He's a really special player and I love watching him play. The punt return was a thing of beauty as well. He faked out a few players on the sideline. It was amazing.
 
The crowd around me had a chuckle at Beal getting crowd surfed into the end zone. He's a really special player and I love watching him play. The punt return was a thing of beauty as well. He faked out a few players on the sideline. It was amazing.

It was against Harding!
 
1:48 In not the best view but first time I've seen a player get stuck on top of the pile. East played solid then benched the starting QB, Middle line backer in garbage time (Q4)
 
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