How is Carver in other sports? Is football only sport that has drastically change or other sports just as down as football
Carver HS Fallout
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All of sports have fallen off. I was in the gym last basketball season and it’s amazing all the conference championships they have won in multiple sports over the years. I do not remember any championships in the last 5 or 6 years, maybe longer.
That’s sad but There are ton of school tho who haven’t had many championship in last decade tho so but Carver should def dominate 1A
Carver's non existent in most other sports. They try to be competitive in Volleyball and women's basketball but not so much. They started to grow soccer but besides that nothing in the spring. Quite a few times when they were in the WPAC they would struggle to get teams full. They literally were around then to play Football and Basketball so they could both make enough money to allow the other sports to be non existent and to make the NCHSAA happy enough to not be all over them. Their baseball teams were so bad they'd lose 15-0 easily and they never cared or tried to improve it.
Near the end of their run as a 2A they got to where they didn't give a care at all. I remember one year they claimed they were fielding a women's tennis team and we were hosting them for senior night and they never once called us to say "hey we can't make it, we forfeit willingly." Instead the girls and their families all showed up and did the ceremony only for them to not show up and the refs had to call it with the girls broken hearted; no excuse for that.
I remember in 2013 when we first met them Crowell and his whole staff would rant about "Oh we ain't eva going down to 1A we will fight to the death on that!" Then comes last spring and they barely contested this conference they are in now. Oh how the times have changed.
Just wait until my full post I'm working on. So many stories to tell. That program is the wildest and weirdest I've dealt with. 8 years of wackiness.
Well It’s seem there no passion , no care or tradition or anything but it starts with the top with Admin n AD
Like I said Above Carver should be like NR but difference with North Rowan n Carver is NR has Pride, Tradition, Passion , they care etc so
I never have understood why WSFCS thinking in having WS Prep, Carver, and Walkertown all being close together. Another program that fell off was North Forsyth (thanks to Reagan) and if we’re being honest, Mount Tabor is no longer the powerhouse across all sports that they once weee (thanks to Reagan). WSFCS has too many schools in my opinion.
Not every decision is about sports. More schools = smaller classrooms and more individualized education.
That isn't necessarily true, and in reality is more false than true in the current climate.
Do you think Carver has kept all the teaching postions they had when they were 2 or 3A? When schools lose students they also lose teachers. With the way things have gone the last several years I'd be willing to bet a math class at Carver has the same if not more students in it now than 20 years ago when they had more students.
My thing on all of this is just how many more situations are they like this across the state that this could potentially be the fire starter for more coaches to speak out on? I am not in anyway accusing or saying its going on anywhere else im just speculating how this could change the landscape in some school systems across NC.
In theory, especially the part about not everything being about sports, I agree with you. If the amount of teachers remained the same the results would be as you say, more one to one interaction. However, like most of US, the education system has a bottom line as well. Fewer students leads to fewer teachers as Thunder referenced. School systems have pencil pushers like any business. They maximize their resources to fit the situation. Even the $15 an hour implemented this school year for classified employees has led to more privatization of certain jobs like custodians, groundskeepers and bus drivers because it is a cheaper alternative.
That's because people aren't applying for bus driver jobs and custodial. Look at how many openings are across the state.
Local governments. I guess the state could step in on this and require a single system per county but that goes against what they seem to want in Raleigh.
I think there are, or where a few years ago, over 115 public school systems in the state not including the charter chools. Some smaller towns have their own as do a few larger ones. Mt Airy, Elkin, Chapel Hill, Asheboro, Thomasville, Lexington, Newton, Hickory, Asheville, Mooresville, Kannapolis, Whiteville, Weldon, and Roanoke Rapids are the ones I remember. Probably missing some.
County governments, btango. Cities have very little authority, especially concerning merger and redistricting. Three systems in Davidson County. How else could we practice legal segregation?
You’re half right there Thunder. People aren’t applying for custodial jobs because they are tied to bus driving. But that’s a whole different subject.
Yes, it would seem that area of Winston is oversaturated with high schools - Carver, Prep, Walkertown and Atkins all being close together and being 1A or 2A. A county with the population that Forsyth has should not have schools of that size. Now, I am not sure about Atkins. Isn't it a STEM focused school? If so, it may have been built specifically to support a STEM education and to have the facilities for that. But Carver was once 3A. So it clearly has the on campus building space to support many more students than it has now and it should not be a 1A school. I think one reason for Reagan being built was to relieve some overcrowding at W. Forsyth. But as you noted, it also pulled students away from N. Forsyth and Tabor. North may have been 4A at one point but is now down to 2A, I believe. Again, open enrollment is the main problem.
All school have their issues but HPC , Carver , North Forsyth and few others have totally dropped off to oblivion due to the county and open enrollment and other factors
I agree on there being WAY too many schools in Forsyth. When it comes down to pure county size it honestly makes no sense in comparison to Guilford. Guilford is a good sized county for a piedmont county. You could easily split it into 2 to 4 smaller counties and it would still be a Populus area. Their population can be spread out more due to the county size and it makes since to have so many high schools there. Forsyth is a good 200 some miles smaller in size. It's like Yadkin county on steroids. With so many people living there I could see why they wanted to have more schools but honestly it was never gonna work given the county size in terms of miles. It also still doesn't help lower the school enrollments because the power schools still have a lot. The ones that are older or considered in bad shape suffer. They created a vacuum in that situation.
It's politics at it's worst in that case; they want to make certain areas in the county happy and to do that is building schools. If they do that they get votes and reelected easily plus those bond packages. But it just hurts each lower end school more. Walkertown for instance never shoulda been created to begin with. I completely understand why they fought for a school and needed one, but Forsyth school board did it wrong. They shoulda never built a new high school. What they shoulda done was rebuild Carver on that same stretch of land. It coulda been way more modern in design and safer than the building that current Carver has been in since the 80's, and with it being in the country it could have possibly made the school more open and attractive for open enrollment kids. Plus with those 2 teams together they woulda been a very good 3A team in the mid 2010's and woulda been decent the last few years. Walkertown coulda had their high school and it knocks out two birds with one school. Plus it would be a better designed and more optimal school. Carver as it's designed now is just not attractive. As bland as Walkertown is in terms of design it looks way better; if I was new to the area I'd send my kids to Walkertown any day over Carver.
Forsyth should be smacked for that. Carver's a historic and legendary name they deserved more respect than that.
It's politics at it's worst in that case; they want to make certain areas in the county happy and to do that is building schools. If they do that they get votes and reelected easily plus those bond packages. But it just hurts each lower end school more. Walkertown for instance never shoulda been created to begin with. I completely understand why they fought for a school and needed one, but Forsyth school board did it wrong. They shoulda never built a new high school. What they shoulda done was rebuild Carver on that same stretch of land. It coulda been way more modern in design and safer than the building that current Carver has been in since the 80's, and with it being in the country it could have possibly made the school more open and attractive for open enrollment kids. Plus with those 2 teams together they woulda been a very good 3A team in the mid 2010's and woulda been decent the last few years. Walkertown coulda had their high school and it knocks out two birds with one school. Plus it would be a better designed and more optimal school. Carver as it's designed now is just not attractive. As bland as Walkertown is in terms of design it looks way better; if I was new to the area I'd send my kids to Walkertown any day over Carver.
Forsyth should be smacked for that. Carver's a historic and legendary name they deserved more respect than that.
Elkin and MA are City schools in Surry thats why they are seperate. East and North Surry and Surry Central are the county HS.
Statesville at one point use to be City school while other were county but they combined ofc to make Iredell-Statesville School - Mooresville is it own district so
That was common for years. I listed the schools the towns above in a post and I remember many of the WNCHSAA city schools combining with their county. Kannapolis is in both Cabarrus and Rowan. Asheboro, Thomasville, and Lexington are others from the Piedmont region that kept their district. Albemarle was one of the last ones to consolidate with the county system. Not sure Albemarle would be any better off but the difference in the Albemarle schools since this is a drastic decrease.
Merger and consolidation can have advantages. But usually not the ones people think. Ask Guilford County about those “cost savings”. But merger doesn't always result in redistricting. In Thomasville, with the district lines frozen since 1983, it would be a disaster. Merge the city and county schools and send all students in the city limits to current city schools…I’d be all for it. But that wouldn’t fit the political narrative of keeping minorities in the Lexington and Thomasville schools.
That still amazes me. I remember the great 4A Anson/Richmond games. I remember going to an Anson home game one year, then went back the next fall and the whole school up and moved...
When manufacturing went to Mexico and Honduras rural population dropped drastically
And the state only funds ONE district per county. Money has to be split if there are multiple districts in a county.
That’s not even the entire story smh! There is a part II AND another facet. It will have to be a yes man or they won’t last either!!
One of the reasons, and the most important, is that the folks in both Elkin and Mt Airy do not want our higher level school system to be knocked down to the "acceptable" level of the county system. It makes not difference if we are talking sports, or academics. We want to stay at a clearly higher level.
And despite the argument that it would be cheaper, cheaper is not better despite what the right wing tries to demand. I mean, really when you need brain surgery do you want the cheapest or the best? If you are flying to the moon, are you really reassured by the thought you are in a vehicle that was built by the lowest bidder?
I gladly pay the Mt Airy extra property tax for the betterment of my neighbor's children.
Consolidation is a very local issue makes sense for some counties and not others especially smaller rural counties that don't have a large town or city that can itself support a school.
Sometimes it's because of old buildings or smaller enrollment or combination of both.
Sometimes cheaper is better the money you save by operating one building instead of multiple buildings plus combining resources and spending the money on one school instead of multiple schools then you can spend more on educational material , computers etc possibly a nicer facility and compus more tools to better educate students.
Back in the 70's Mitchell county went from three to two to one highschool because of smaller enrollment and some of the more north remote communities was very upset and then especially a few years ago went from four to now two middle schools and now the plan for one. But with only 481 students at the high school obviously to small for more than one school. It just gets to the point that you can't feasibly maintain a building for very few students.
Sometimes it's because of old buildings or smaller enrollment or combination of both.
Sometimes cheaper is better the money you save by operating one building instead of multiple buildings plus combining resources and spending the money on one school instead of multiple schools then you can spend more on educational material , computers etc possibly a nicer facility and compus more tools to better educate students.
Back in the 70's Mitchell county went from three to two to one highschool because of smaller enrollment and some of the more north remote communities was very upset and then especially a few years ago went from four to now two middle schools and now the plan for one. But with only 481 students at the high school obviously to small for more than one school. It just gets to the point that you can't feasibly maintain a building for very few students.
Sorry I read this right after I replied I'll delete if you want.
This same thing to a degree was going on when Crowell was there. He just didn't say much and like the current coach didn't receive much support and they made playoff runs with good records at least the first 3 seasons under Crowell but then you could start seeing the lack of support weighing heavier until the obvious happened.
I haven’t lived around here long enough to remember Carver being a powerhouse, but my dad does. I will say Carver has one of the finest high school bands I have ever seen. They alone are worth the price of admission.
Lot of people in Cleveland County miss the old separated system of Cleveland County, Shelby City, and Kings Mtn.
Nobody wanted to play Carver twenty years ago. Crowell coached while his son was playing.
It’s still crazy how a Once proud program is now a shit show, I am curious if current admin understands that past traditions and history of carver n were they even born or around when Carver was one of best in the area
Will the new hire be a puppet? Will the new hire have to endure individuals who come on campus and criticize their practices while admin rides that wave looking for a way to fire? I do remember carver being the bully on the block and it’s very sad. Hint: read carefully!
