As the SEC starts...what ya got?
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Rule #1) It only counts if it's earned on the field, not in some fantasy land paper champ bizarro world.
I'd vote Richmond and Scotland both into the top 10 a long time before I'd think about voting Pinecrest in there.
ok i'm just trying to figure out the angle. PC might not be a top 10 program but to give u a comparison they have some qualities that are similar to Catholic in terms of them rarely beating themselves. That is always a good quality especially when you are not as talented. They are not as good as catholic but they run an old basic veer with some nice change-ups. they are very vanilla.
LOL, things have changed in the last few weeks. I thought at first that Pinecrest might be a little bit better than most of the SEC'ers would care to see, but the way the last couple of weeks have went down, I no longer think they are legit enough to beat either Richmond or Scotland.
At first glance, Pinecrest looked to be pretty diverse and explosive on offense, but as I watched them again, I've decided that their passing game will not work against the better defenses they will face. They'll move the ball some with their running game, but not enough to match what Richmond and Scotland will both do. And their defense is just begging to get exposed by both teams.
At first glance, Pinecrest looked to be pretty diverse and explosive on offense, but as I watched them again, I've decided that their passing game will not work against the better defenses they will face. They'll move the ball some with their running game, but not enough to match what Richmond and Scotland will both do. And their defense is just begging to get exposed by both teams.
Every thing you just said is the exact opposite of what you said before. Lol
This is great.
There's no angle. Richmond has a proud, decades-long history of banging heads against the very best competition that NC has to offer, They've proven themselves on the field more times than anyone on this board can count (including last night), and because of that, they are the most respected program - bar none - in the state. Scotland hasn't been in the top dog club for nearly as long, but has decided to jump in with both feet. Two state title appearances in the last 4 years, plus having a convincing stranglehold on one of the top 4A conferences in the state has them right in the middle of the conversation every year. They've recently attempted to upgrade their schedule, and although Indy isn't worth a damn this year, the Pats were actually 12-1 and ranked in the top 5 in the state last season when Scotland agreed to play them. And they also play Britt every year. Some years that doesn't mean much, but some years Britt makes state championship games, and this year is looking like a power year for them that no one saw coming.
So...honest question for you here...what exactly has Pinecrest ever done in their history to earn respect from the rest of the state? You know, like...ever? What nationally ranked powerhouses have they ever played? What top 10 ranked NC programs have they ever beat? What great playoff runs have they ever been on? How many state titles have they won? How many Charlotte teams do they ever go out of their way to schedule? Heck, how many 4A teams in general do they go out of their way to schedule?
Pinecrest will get whatever dues they earn on the field, just like everyone else. It's not the rest of the state's fault that they aim really low and fail to achieve anything of note.
I does sound like that, I agree, LOL.
Very early in the year, no one has proven anything on the field yet, so it's all a guess. Pinecrest at #4 in week 2 or 3 when they look like a top team who hasn't played anyone yet looks a lot better than they do in week 6 or 7 when they don't look so hot...and they still haven't played anyone yet. Another thing that happened was the Pinecrest webcasts, so I actually got to see them for myself a couple of times. Stats are nice, and are what most people in the state work off of...but sometimes stats hide some ugly truths that you see for yourself once you watch the games.
Plus, it's the nature of polls and public opinion to change. If every team exactly met everyone's expectations, then the final polls would always look exactly like the pre-season polls. Of course, it never works out that way. I was giving Pinecrest the benefit of the doubt earlier on this year, but now I'm just not seeing it.
Really man you anointed them top five above both Richmond and Scotland arrogantly talking down to others just as you are again doing. Stop
So what's your deal? I went to great lengths earlier to detail the long list of reasons why I've changed my mind about Pinecrest being a legit contender in this conference, and this is attack from you is for what reason, exactly? What purpose are you trying to serve here? Are you mad that I've changed my mind about Pinecrest? Are you trying to claim that you've never changed your mind about anything once you got better information about it? Are you saying it's OK for you to change your mind about something, but that it's not OK for me to change my mind? Are you just having a bad day?
No you haven't. The word you used could be attributed to someone that can't remember what they have said from on sentence to the next.
You are just a little dull not clinically moronic. You were probably banking on no one listening to you. A reasonable assumption more times than not.
I'm wrong more times than most of the rest of you combined, but I do try to pay attention and be semi-informed as to what I'm wrong about. I thought Pinecrest maybe had the goods to get over the hump this year. After seeing them twice, I no longer think that is the case. I think Richmond and Scotland will both cruise against them. And yes, I might very well be wrong again about that. It won't be the last time I'm wrong about something if it ends up happening.
scotswin...not speaking for nepsy, but Richmond is a rivalry game for you guys as well...how many of those games have been 1 point wins the last few years?
Your opinions change as needed for whatever the topic is Hokie. You've
been praising their offense all year. I cant imagine that 2 huge point spread
wins against 2 scrub teams could change that. If there were a good team the past 2 weeks your statement might have merit..
I do think PC probably is overrated(but maybe not), just analyzing your reply here..
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Scotswin...
Some of their offense I still think looks very, very good. They have huge backs, a good looking oline, very diverse play calling, and their QB is very shifty and elusive, and I think both of you guys will have to do some good work on D to get a grasp on their running game. Where it falls apart for me is their passing attack and their pass defense. Their passing attack seems very limited to me unless it's a 1st down play action pass to a wide open guy when they are up big on the scoreboard. Otherwise, they really struggle, especially when trying to pick up 3rd downs. And the pass defense is laughable. It's not that Woodbury had a half dozen length-of-the-field TD passes against them, it's that the Woodbury receivers didn't have anyone within 25 yards of them on most of those TDs.
I think they'll move the ball somewhat on your D, but I also think they'll have a hard time picking up 3rd downs and sustaining drives, and there's no chance in heck that they'll have enough defense to keep you out of the end zone.
Some of their offense I still think looks very, very good. They have huge backs, a good looking oline, very diverse play calling, and their QB is very shifty and elusive, and I think both of you guys will have to do some good work on D to get a grasp on their running game. Where it falls apart for me is their passing attack and their pass defense. Their passing attack seems very limited to me unless it's a 1st down play action pass to a wide open guy when they are up big on the scoreboard. Otherwise, they really struggle, especially when trying to pick up 3rd downs. And the pass defense is laughable. It's not that Woodbury had a half dozen length-of-the-field TD passes against them, it's that the Woodbury receivers didn't have anyone within 25 yards of them on most of those TDs.
I think they'll move the ball somewhat on your D, but I also think they'll have a hard time picking up 3rd downs and sustaining drives, and there's no chance in heck that they'll have enough defense to keep you out of the end zone.
I watched 3 of Pinecrest games on their webcast{Cuthbertson, Woodberry and Southern Lee}. However their QB- Ledbetter goes, so goes Pinecrest. Keep him in check and watch how Pinecrest goes.
Pinecrest is the X factor and it is hard to gauge them. Woodberry had a field day passing, but thay had a very capable passing attack. Great Qb and Receivers, but no run game. Scotland or Richmond would be crazy not to try to expose that. They did have a receiver open with a defender 10 yards behind at least.
Otherwise they look pretty solid all around. I am not sure they are or aren't a top ten team. That's why they should schedule an Indy, Butler, or MC going forward. It would be easier to gauge them, but more importantly, they could gauge themselves and know where they stand in their quest for a title.
Ledbetter is very good. We will soon see, but I will go with Scotland and RC/Pinecrest at this point. It will all play out on the field soon.
Otherwise they look pretty solid all around. I am not sure they are or aren't a top ten team. That's why they should schedule an Indy, Butler, or MC going forward. It would be easier to gauge them, but more importantly, they could gauge themselves and know where they stand in their quest for a title.
Ledbetter is very good. We will soon see, but I will go with Scotland and RC/Pinecrest at this point. It will all play out on the field soon.
Overrated or not, Pinecrest has made a name for themselves around the state. Now, when you mention the SEC, it's RC, SC, and PC.
How and when did Pinecrest make a name for themselves? Based off of what? What State are you talking about? The only top ranking Pinecrest has, is their Weight Room.
Nep you have got to understand how low this program was before Metzger got there. I don't think you truly understand. I officiated for many years the year before he got there they may have had 30 players unheard for a big ass school like PC. I had 2 of their games and it was absolutely pathetic. They had no athletes, no discipline and definitely no effort. They couldn't get anyone to come out other than a handful of kids. He came in with a plan and now has them past the point of being respectable. While they might not be MC or Butler they are not the 60 point whipping boy by everybody they were prior to his arrival. They are not a W you can just mark down. They are not on SC level or RC but they are in the ball park (+ gaining - and I can speak for SC its not like we are slipping) and if you take them lightly you will be in for a dogfight. There is money in the program now and they have a great youth system. I think that is what the state truly recognizes. Whether they are 1 or 25 they are no longer dead last.
The RC and SC fans have respect for the huge improvement Pinecrest has made more than anything. Pinecrest isn't a state power, but they're much closer to getting there than they have been in very recent history. They've won more than ten games the past couple of seasons and probably will this year, too.
That deserves respect. Unbelievable coaching job, and considering their enrollment things will probably only get better.
That deserves respect. Unbelievable coaching job, and considering their enrollment things will probably only get better.
Great Coaching & a big weight room will bring you lots of wins. I get that. PC going from winning 5 games a year to 11. That's big difference and i get that. Making a name for themselves around the State? I'm not their yet.
They are definitely moving in the right direction. I don't believe the changing of the guard is happening this year in the SEC.
What a perfect week for a bye for the entire SEC.
All the rain again coming in the end of the week.
Scots got last weeks game in Thursday, so an extra
day on top of it
All the rain again coming in the end of the week.
Scots got last weeks game in Thursday, so an extra
day on top of it
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