ADVERTISEMENT

ADM Change Transparency

GrizzlyDevil

Well-Known Member
Nov 22, 2011
3,528
6,034
113
So I did a deep dive into the exact changes and try to show some transparency here that the NCHSAA failed to give in a memo for everyone to see, they (the association) instead regurgitated the raw data out and put the "burden of proof" on us to find on our own.

In my opinion, when making any adjustments, full transparency should be mandatory instead of "we made some changes and here is the new outcome". In my line of work, and I would imagine in the lines of work many of you are in, making changes to something important and not explaining why/showing your work as to what changes were made, would be unacceptable and grounds for chastisement at the least, if not more.

The elephant in the room for most posters/readers in this 2A forum is "why was Reidsville moved up?" The simple answer according to the data is this: We went from a breakdown of 32-8A, 58-7A, and 59-6A through 1A to 32-8A, 59-7A through 2A, and 58 1A. Regardless of the ADM changes that were made, the only reason Reidsville moved up is the change in the number of schools in the 7A/1A Classifications. None of the ADM changes caused that shift. The question then becomes: Why that change? On this, the NCHSAA has given no justification or made any comment as to why (Other than, 3A lost Reidsville but it gained Eastern Randolph, one perennial power for another (so everyone should be happy and not question us)). Will they give an actual educated reason? Most likely not and no one will force an answer out. For anyone that does care and would want a change to be made, I would imagine the only recourse of action would be to contact your representative on the realignment committee to petition a change. This also will not happen most likely. Because the NCHSAA has refused to issue out a memo explaining the change, all we'll be able to do is speculate and fuss and point fingers, etc.

Now for the changes according to the data released:

  • Garinger bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 1951 to 2348
  • West Charlotte bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 2084 to 2332
  • Caused Richmond Senior and Reagan to drop from 8A to 7A

  • Ballantyne Ridge bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1445 to 2133
  • West Meck bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1416 to 1914
  • Because 7A now has 59 schools, only one school drops from 7A to 6A: South View

  • Felton Grove (New school in Wake Co) bumped from 5A to 6A due to ADM going from 1158 to 1400

  • Granville Central is closing as a school, their students will be split into two existing schools in Granville Co
  • South Granville bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 889 to 1065 (Granville Central split)
  • JF Webb bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 872 to 999 (Granville Central split)
  • South Granville bump up keeps 5A at 59 Schools
  • JF Webb bump up causes North Lenoir to drop from 5A to 4A

  • Reidsville bumps from 3A to 4A to keep 4A at 59 Schools

  • Eastern Randolph bumps from 2A to 3A to keep 3A at 59 Schools

  • Hayesville bumps from 1A to 2A to keep 2A at 59 Schools
  • Southern Wake Academy drops from 2A to 1A due to ADM going from 527 to 285
  • SWA dropping causes NW Halifax to bump up to 2A from 1A
  • 1A now has 58 schools since 7A has 59 now

Hopefully I explained this in the accurate amount of detail the NCHSAA has refused to do. Do your job or lose your job, simple. If I had a pot of money sitting at the house and could afford to, I would go for their jobs myself.
 
Thank you for the explanation. The powers to be at the NCHSAA want to maintain all power and refuse to inform members. The main reason is so to keep the GA off their backs. They are afraid of making decisions, because of political pressure.
 
Whew! It's really just kids playin games.
Children and games that they play.
No way in the world should it be serious enough to grown folks to care this much about high school activities.
 
Last edited:
Thank you for the explanation. The powers to be at the NCHSAA want to maintain all power and refuse to inform members. The main reason is so to keep the GA off their backs. They are afraid of making decisions, because of political pressure.
I believe it is due to not wanting any accountability for their actions.
 
  • Like
Reactions: POWERATTACK
So I did a deep dive into the exact changes and try to show some transparency here that the NCHSAA failed to give in a memo for everyone to see, they (the association) instead regurgitated the raw data out and put the "burden of proof" on us to find on our own.

In my opinion, when making any adjustments, full transparency should be mandatory instead of "we made some changes and here is the new outcome". In my line of work, and I would imagine in the lines of work many of you are in, making changes to something important and not explaining why/showing your work as to what changes were made, would be unacceptable and grounds for chastisement at the least, if not more.

The elephant in the room for most posters/readers in this 2A forum is "why was Reidsville moved up?" The simple answer according to the data is this: We went from a breakdown of 32-8A, 58-7A, and 59-6A through 1A to 32-8A, 59-7A through 2A, and 58 1A. Regardless of the ADM changes that were made, the only reason Reidsville moved up is the change in the number of schools in the 7A/1A Classifications. None of the ADM changes caused that shift. The question then becomes: Why that change? On this, the NCHSAA has given no justification or made any comment as to why (Other than, 3A lost Reidsville but it gained Eastern Randolph, one perennial power for another (so everyone should be happy and not question us)). Will they give an actual educated reason? Most likely not and no one will force an answer out. For anyone that does care and would want a change to be made, I would imagine the only recourse of action would be to contact your representative on the realignment committee to petition a change. This also will not happen most likely. Because the NCHSAA has refused to issue out a memo explaining the change, all we'll be able to do is speculate and fuss and point fingers, etc.

Now for the changes according to the data released:

  • Garinger bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 1951 to 2348
  • West Charlotte bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 2084 to 2332
  • Caused Richmond Senior and Reagan to drop from 8A to 7A

  • Ballantyne Ridge bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1445 to 2133
  • West Meck bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1416 to 1914
  • Because 7A now has 59 schools, only one school drops from 7A to 6A: South View

  • Felton Grove (New school in Wake Co) bumped from 5A to 6A due to ADM going from 1158 to 1400

  • Granville Central is closing as a school, their students will be split into two existing schools in Granville Co
  • South Granville bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 889 to 1065 (Granville Central split)
  • JF Webb bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 872 to 999 (Granville Central split)
  • South Granville bump up keeps 5A at 59 Schools
  • JF Webb bump up causes North Lenoir to drop from 5A to 4A

  • Reidsville bumps from 3A to 4A to keep 4A at 59 Schools

  • Eastern Randolph bumps from 2A to 3A to keep 3A at 59 Schools

  • Hayesville bumps from 1A to 2A to keep 2A at 59 Schools
  • Southern Wake Academy drops from 2A to 1A due to ADM going from 527 to 285
  • SWA dropping causes NW Halifax to bump up to 2A from 1A
  • 1A now has 58 schools since 7A has 59 now

Hopefully I explained this in the accurate amount of detail the NCHSAA has refused to do. Do your job or lose your job, simple. If I had a pot of money sitting at the house and could afford to, I would go for their jobs myself.
Reading that gave me a headache. 😆 🤣 😂
 
So I did a deep dive into the exact changes and try to show some transparency here that the NCHSAA failed to give in a memo for everyone to see, they (the association) instead regurgitated the raw data out and put the "burden of proof" on us to find on our own.

In my opinion, when making any adjustments, full transparency should be mandatory instead of "we made some changes and here is the new outcome". In my line of work, and I would imagine in the lines of work many of you are in, making changes to something important and not explaining why/showing your work as to what changes were made, would be unacceptable and grounds for chastisement at the least, if not more.

The elephant in the room for most posters/readers in this 2A forum is "why was Reidsville moved up?" The simple answer according to the data is this: We went from a breakdown of 32-8A, 58-7A, and 59-6A through 1A to 32-8A, 59-7A through 2A, and 58 1A. Regardless of the ADM changes that were made, the only reason Reidsville moved up is the change in the number of schools in the 7A/1A Classifications. None of the ADM changes caused that shift. The question then becomes: Why that change? On this, the NCHSAA has given no justification or made any comment as to why (Other than, 3A lost Reidsville but it gained Eastern Randolph, one perennial power for another (so everyone should be happy and not question us)). Will they give an actual educated reason? Most likely not and no one will force an answer out. For anyone that does care and would want a change to be made, I would imagine the only recourse of action would be to contact your representative on the realignment committee to petition a change. This also will not happen most likely. Because the NCHSAA has refused to issue out a memo explaining the change, all we'll be able to do is speculate and fuss and point fingers, etc.

Now for the changes according to the data released:

  • Garinger bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 1951 to 2348
  • West Charlotte bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 2084 to 2332
  • Caused Richmond Senior and Reagan to drop from 8A to 7A

  • Ballantyne Ridge bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1445 to 2133
  • West Meck bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1416 to 1914
  • Because 7A now has 59 schools, only one school drops from 7A to 6A: South View

  • Felton Grove (New school in Wake Co) bumped from 5A to 6A due to ADM going from 1158 to 1400

  • Granville Central is closing as a school, their students will be split into two existing schools in Granville Co
  • South Granville bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 889 to 1065 (Granville Central split)
  • JF Webb bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 872 to 999 (Granville Central split)
  • South Granville bump up keeps 5A at 59 Schools
  • JF Webb bump up causes North Lenoir to drop from 5A to 4A

  • Reidsville bumps from 3A to 4A to keep 4A at 59 Schools

  • Eastern Randolph bumps from 2A to 3A to keep 3A at 59 Schools

  • Hayesville bumps from 1A to 2A to keep 2A at 59 Schools
  • Southern Wake Academy drops from 2A to 1A due to ADM going from 527 to 285
  • SWA dropping causes NW Halifax to bump up to 2A from 1A
  • 1A now has 58 schools since 7A has 59 now

Hopefully I explained this in the accurate amount of detail the NCHSAA has refused to do. Do your job or lose your job, simple. If I had a pot of money sitting at the house and could afford to, I would go for their jobs myself.
You know at first impression, ole Grizz comes across like a ditch digger that drinks his lunch and dips his supper.... Then when I asked what he did for a living. all these posts that are far beyond my comprehension made much sense.... Dude is smart, the end....

Kidding about the ditch digger part, more like a logger in the pacific northwest that could rip my arm off and beat me to death with it... LOL
 
You know at first impression, ole Grizz comes across like a ditch digger that drinks his lunch and dips his supper.... Then when I asked what he did for a living. all these posts that are far beyond my comprehension made much sense.... Dude is smart, the end....

Kidding about the ditch digger part, more like a logger in the pacific northwest that could rip my arm off and beat me to death with it... LOL
Don't discredit your first impression. I do drink my lunch most days and Grizzly Wintergreen keeps my jawline firm. And I did spend a summer digging ditches (among other such activities) in college.
 
I guess you could contact your local politicians and ask them to put pressure on the nchsaa to be more transparent and explain their decisions. Because the nchsaa here to death of North Carolina house and Senate at the moment
 
I guess you could contact your local politicians and ask them to put pressure on the nchsaa to be more transparent and explain their decisions. Because the nchsaa here to death of North Carolina house and Senate at the moment
I find it ironic that, when we want to grouse about the ineptitude and lack of transparency of the NCHSAA, we turn to the one group that dwarfs them in both categories. Lord save us from the North Carolina legislature and their arrogant belief that they are experts on everything under the sun.
 
I find it ironic that, when we want to grouse about the ineptitude and lack of transparency of the NCHSAA, we turn to the one group that dwarfs them in both categories. Lord save us from the North Carolina legislature and their arrogant belief that they are experts on everything under the sun.
Truth☝️
 
  • Like
Reactions: Maiden Creek
It's obvious....Que didn't want Reidsville to have to contend with Shelby anymore. It's pathetic actually. She didn't have to worry most years when the split classifications existed but if Reidsville was grouped with Shelby they wouldn't be able to avoid them.
Dumb as a stump!!!! If Reidsville and Shelby each had five more or five less students you would not have such an Opprtunity to show your ignorance. It is unfortunate that the two mostp
It's obvious....Que didn't want Reidsville to have to contend with Shelby anymore. It's pathetic actually. She didn't have to worry most years when the split classifications existed but if Reidsville was grouped with Shelby they wouldn't be able to avoid them.
TRUEfalse you are lucky Tucker is looking after Shelby.
 
So I did a deep dive into the exact changes and try to show some transparency here that the NCHSAA failed to give in a memo for everyone to see, they (the association) instead regurgitated the raw data out and put the "burden of proof" on us to find on our own.

In my opinion, when making any adjustments, full transparency should be mandatory instead of "we made some changes and here is the new outcome". In my line of work, and I would imagine in the lines of work many of you are in, making changes to something important and not explaining why/showing your work as to what changes were made, would be unacceptable and grounds for chastisement at the least, if not more.

The elephant in the room for most posters/readers in this 2A forum is "why was Reidsville moved up?" The simple answer according to the data is this: We went from a breakdown of 32-8A, 58-7A, and 59-6A through 1A to 32-8A, 59-7A through 2A, and 58 1A. Regardless of the ADM changes that were made, the only reason Reidsville moved up is the change in the number of schools in the 7A/1A Classifications. None of the ADM changes caused that shift. The question then becomes: Why that change? On this, the NCHSAA has given no justification or made any comment as to why (Other than, 3A lost Reidsville but it gained Eastern Randolph, one perennial power for another (so everyone should be happy and not question us)). Will they give an actual educated reason? Most likely not and no one will force an answer out. For anyone that does care and would want a change to be made, I would imagine the only recourse of action would be to contact your representative on the realignment committee to petition a change. This also will not happen most likely. Because the NCHSAA has refused to issue out a memo explaining the change, all we'll be able to do is speculate and fuss and point fingers, etc.

Now for the changes according to the data released:

  • Garinger bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 1951 to 2348
  • West Charlotte bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 2084 to 2332
  • Caused Richmond Senior and Reagan to drop from 8A to 7A

  • Ballantyne Ridge bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1445 to 2133
  • West Meck bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1416 to 1914
  • Because 7A now has 59 schools, only one school drops from 7A to 6A: South View

  • Felton Grove (New school in Wake Co) bumped from 5A to 6A due to ADM going from 1158 to 1400

  • Granville Central is closing as a school, their students will be split into two existing schools in Granville Co
  • South Granville bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 889 to 1065 (Granville Central split)
  • JF Webb bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 872 to 999 (Granville Central split)
  • South Granville bump up keeps 5A at 59 Schools
  • JF Webb bump up causes North Lenoir to drop from 5A to 4A

  • Reidsville bumps from 3A to 4A to keep 4A at 59 Schools

  • Eastern Randolph bumps from 2A to 3A to keep 3A at 59 Schools

  • Hayesville bumps from 1A to 2A to keep 2A at 59 Schools
  • Southern Wake Academy drops from 2A to 1A due to ADM going from 527 to 285
  • SWA dropping causes NW Halifax to bump up to 2A from 1A
  • 1A now has 58 schools since 7A has 59 now

Hopefully I explained this in the accurate amount of detail the NCHSAA has refused to do. Do your job or lose your job, simple. If I had a pot of money sitting at the house and could afford to, I would go for their jobs myself.
It used to be the Clinton posters who would see all 18 of the above changes as 100% cuased by a domino effect to screw over the Horses.
So I did a deep dive into the exact changes and try to show some transparency here that the NCHSAA failed to give in a memo for everyone to see, they (the association) instead regurgitated the raw data out and put the "burden of proof" on us to find on our own.

In my opinion, when making any adjustments, full transparency should be mandatory instead of "we made some changes and here is the new outcome". In my line of work, and I would imagine in the lines of work many of you are in, making changes to something important and not explaining why/showing your work as to what changes were made, would be unacceptable and grounds for chastisement at the least, if not more.

The elephant in the room for most posters/readers in this 2A forum is "why was Reidsville moved up?" The simple answer according to the data is this: We went from a breakdown of 32-8A, 58-7A, and 59-6A through 1A to 32-8A, 59-7A through 2A, and 58 1A. Regardless of the ADM changes that were made, the only reason Reidsville moved up is the change in the number of schools in the 7A/1A Classifications. None of the ADM changes caused that shift. The question then becomes: Why that change? On this, the NCHSAA has given no justification or made any comment as to why (Other than, 3A lost Reidsville but it gained Eastern Randolph, one perennial power for another (so everyone should be happy and not question us)). Will they give an actual educated reason? Most likely not and no one will force an answer out. For anyone that does care and would want a change to be made, I would imagine the only recourse of action would be to contact your representative on the realignment committee to petition a change. This also will not happen most likely. Because the NCHSAA has refused to issue out a memo explaining the change, all we'll be able to do is speculate and fuss and point fingers, etc.

Now for the changes according to the data released:

  • Garinger bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 1951 to 2348
  • West Charlotte bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 2084 to 2332
  • Caused Richmond Senior and Reagan to drop from 8A to 7A

  • Ballantyne Ridge bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1445 to 2133
  • West Meck bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1416 to 1914
  • Because 7A now has 59 schools, only one school drops from 7A to 6A: South View

  • Felton Grove (New school in Wake Co) bumped from 5A to 6A due to ADM going from 1158 to 1400

  • Granville Central is closing as a school, their students will be split into two existing schools in Granville Co
  • South Granville bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 889 to 1065 (Granville Central split)
  • JF Webb bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 872 to 999 (Granville Central split)
  • South Granville bump up keeps 5A at 59 Schools
  • JF Webb bump up causes North Lenoir to drop from 5A to 4A

  • Reidsville bumps from 3A to 4A to keep 4A at 59 Schools

  • Eastern Randolph bumps from 2A to 3A to keep 3A at 59 Schools

  • Hayesville bumps from 1A to 2A to keep 2A at 59 Schools
  • Southern Wake Academy drops from 2A to 1A due to ADM going from 527 to 285
  • SWA dropping causes NW Halifax to bump up to 2A from 1A
  • 1A now has 58 schools since 7A has 59 now

Hopefully I explained this in the accurate amount of detail the NCHSAA has refused to do. Do your job or lose your job, simple. If I had a pot of money sitting at the house and could afford to, I would go for their jobs myself.
Over 400 schools and over 4,000 varsity teams in NC; I just don't see making the above 18 or so adjustments to create a domino effect that will specifically impact one school's team in one particular sport. Reminds me of a poster from a school not listed above who is convinced that every realignment and playoff criteria for years has been specifcally been put in place to screw his school's football program.
 
So I did a deep dive into the exact changes and try to show some transparency here that the NCHSAA failed to give in a memo for everyone to see, they (the association) instead regurgitated the raw data out and put the "burden of proof" on us to find on our own.

In my opinion, when making any adjustments, full transparency should be mandatory instead of "we made some changes and here is the new outcome". In my line of work, and I would imagine in the lines of work many of you are in, making changes to something important and not explaining why/showing your work as to what changes were made, would be unacceptable and grounds for chastisement at the least, if not more.

The elephant in the room for most posters/readers in this 2A forum is "why was Reidsville moved up?" The simple answer according to the data is this: We went from a breakdown of 32-8A, 58-7A, and 59-6A through 1A to 32-8A, 59-7A through 2A, and 58 1A. Regardless of the ADM changes that were made, the only reason Reidsville moved up is the change in the number of schools in the 7A/1A Classifications. None of the ADM changes caused that shift. The question then becomes: Why that change? On this, the NCHSAA has given no justification or made any comment as to why (Other than, 3A lost Reidsville but it gained Eastern Randolph, one perennial power for another (so everyone should be happy and not question us)). Will they give an actual educated reason? Most likely not and no one will force an answer out. For anyone that does care and would want a change to be made, I would imagine the only recourse of action would be to contact your representative on the realignment committee to petition a change. This also will not happen most likely. Because the NCHSAA has refused to issue out a memo explaining the change, all we'll be able to do is speculate and fuss and point fingers, etc.

Now for the changes according to the data released:

  • Garinger bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 1951 to 2348
  • West Charlotte bumped up from 7A to 8A due to ADM going from 2084 to 2332
  • Caused Richmond Senior and Reagan to drop from 8A to 7A

  • Ballantyne Ridge bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1445 to 2133
  • West Meck bumped up from 6A to 7A due to ADM going from 1416 to 1914
  • Because 7A now has 59 schools, only one school drops from 7A to 6A: South View

  • Felton Grove (New school in Wake Co) bumped from 5A to 6A due to ADM going from 1158 to 1400

  • Granville Central is closing as a school, their students will be split into two existing schools in Granville Co
  • South Granville bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 889 to 1065 (Granville Central split)
  • JF Webb bumped from 4A to 5A due to ADM going from 872 to 999 (Granville Central split)
  • South Granville bump up keeps 5A at 59 Schools
  • JF Webb bump up causes North Lenoir to drop from 5A to 4A

  • Reidsville bumps from 3A to 4A to keep 4A at 59 Schools

  • Eastern Randolph bumps from 2A to 3A to keep 3A at 59 Schools

  • Hayesville bumps from 1A to 2A to keep 2A at 59 Schools
  • Southern Wake Academy drops from 2A to 1A due to ADM going from 527 to 285
  • SWA dropping causes NW Halifax to bump up to 2A from 1A
  • 1A now has 58 schools since 7A has 59 now

Hopefully I explained this in the accurate amount of detail the NCHSAA has refused to do. Do your job or lose your job, simple. If I had a pot of money sitting at the house and could afford to, I would go for their jobs myself.
I Agree 👍!!!!! Something tells me that they already know who is going where or how the Conferences will be shaped!! There going to release this info in a few weeks before Christmas take off on break so they don't have hear the complaints about the Conferences and realignment!! I have always felt like the NCHSAA hasn't been transparent in communicating with the members and this whole thing is shrouded in secrecy because they don't know what there doing and there more than likely gonna foul this thing up!!
 
I guess you could contact your local politicians and ask them to put pressure on the nchsaa to be more transparent and explain their decisions. Because the nchsaa here to death of North Carolina house and Senate at the moment
When that happened a few years ago Tucker and the whole NCHSAA threw there hands up and made claims that the State Legislature was being unkind and unfair to her about how the NCHSAA was being ran!! They(The local politicians that is) only wanted to know where the money from the Endowment was going or where the money was going period.
 
Take 3 eggs and tell your wife to watch you juggle them while standing on your finest floor. Think that's hard. Take 400 of them and do it while she watches. Think about it. Reidsville don't care where we are classed. 99% of Shelby fans don't either. Both programs can play well, wherever. It has to be split somewhere. How about you and TD and 2nd give us your plan.
 
Take 3 eggs and tell your wife to watch you juggle them while standing on your finest floor. Think that's hard. Take 400 of them and do it while she watches. Think about it. Reidsville don't care where we are classed. 99% of Shelby fans don't either. Both programs can play well, wherever. It has to be split somewhere. How about you and TD and 2nd give us your plan.
I have taken all 444 eggs and juggled them. I did it the most equitable way possible. But I'm just one man and they don't care my opinion. I don't care that the switch was made...I care they didn't give an educated answer as to why it was made and what benefit (or lack thereof) there was in making it.

As of today. I finished making conferences for all 444 schools. Probably won't be near what the NCHSAA presents to the realignment committee...but it's done and it will be sent to the representative in our area for review/consideration. Maybe they'll trash it, maybe they'll compare it to what the NCHSAA gives them. Who knows.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT