You Are Really Going To Love This . 200 With 35 More Coming In 2020
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Seriously people need to stop complaining on here and do something about it. Until people are willing to hound their representatives like there is no tomorrow and hold those same representatives accountable for their actions then nothing will change. Public schools as we know it are fighting a losing battle and everyone other than educators are complacent with the whole ordeal.
most of your elected officials that have kids attend charters (or private schools) so do not look for any relief; tough being a traditional school & if you’re looking for your athletic association to do anything-ha ha...
This article is a year old. If you follow the first link in the article you can cruise around the applications for that year and other years as well. If you notice, many of those applications didnt get approved in 2018 and resubmitted in 2019. It's troubling to me that so many of these charter schools are resubmitting until they get the right verbiage to get approved for a school, and these guys are supposed to be educating children. It does seem to be a high bar for approval, but it should be.
I don't doubt there are scenarios where charters are useful and good for kids. However, they shouldn't hamstring traditional public schools to make these things happen. Charters are not going away. We need to inform our elected officials that the most important thing is we support our traditionals whether charters are a thing or not. If they don't listen to phone calls or emails they will listen to a ballot box.
I don't doubt there are scenarios where charters are useful and good for kids. However, they shouldn't hamstring traditional public schools to make these things happen. Charters are not going away. We need to inform our elected officials that the most important thing is we support our traditionals whether charters are a thing or not. If they don't listen to phone calls or emails they will listen to a ballot box.
10 of 35 New Charter Schools were Approved as of JUNE 06, 2019
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article231224923.html
As of AUGUST 30, 2019 14 more of the 35
seeking approval to open in 2021
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article234549507.html
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article231224923.html
As of AUGUST 30, 2019 14 more of the 35
seeking approval to open in 2021
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article234549507.html
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Charter school or for profit schools.The poloticians that support them see them as way to elimate public education and cut the state money that goes to public education.
Don’t see it happening. Most charters will never field a varsity football program (too expensive to start up). In addition, many of the more established charters in the larger metropolitan markets like Charlotte, Raleigh, etc. will be moving up to 2A very soon as they increase enrollment.
Yep MIC will likely be 2A by the 2021 realignment. Less than 100 students from being 2A
Good point...schools like TJ (in a more rural location) could fall back into a 1A/2A conference down the road. Seems like the state is trying to keep as many of the 1A charters in the Charlotte area together in a single conference. May make things easier if they decide to break things out separately some day.
Wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for TJ the way things are heading right now. Better competition in conference and hopefully out of conference, better SOS, to better prepare them for the playoffs.
Lincoln Charter will also likely be 2A as well and they don’t even field a football program.
Charter schools are a by product of the failures of our educational system, and I won't use the L word. Simple as that. And it's not just white people going, but black, hispanic, asian etc. are shifting to these schools because they are run with more discipline and more of the older standard curriculums. As far as athletics goes, the NCHSAA needs to put them in their own classification. When you can draw from a 50 mile radius especially in areas like Raleigh, Charlotte, Durham etc. how can they really expect true public 1A's to compete in sports and win titles. And that is going to become more and more difficult including in football down the road. The NCHSAA is talking of a 5A, well just go ahead to 6 classifications and put the academies, Charters in a class and be done with it.
The discussion over charter schools vs. traditional schools has often been rehashed, and I'm not talking about in athletics.
I would just ask this question, especially of our elected officials....If charter schools are so much better, why not allow traditional schools to do everything that charter schools can do? If the education is better in charter schools, remove the restraints from traditional schools that charter schools have been relieved of regarding meals, transportation, teacher qualifications, curriculum, etc.. Let individual school districts make those determinations.
The legislature has the power to do all of the above, if it chooses. But they know the playing field isn't level. It's easier to hamstring traditional schools and turn over everybody else to a company making a buck off of educating students. The folks who can provide their kids meals and transportation may leave. But what often remains is poor kids with little parental support and less than optimal chance of academic success.
I'm all for reestablishing more discipline in our schools. But if you can have discipline in charter schools, you can have it in traditional schools.
When you cut through all the fluff, the legislature simply wants for profit education. I'm a small businessman and certainly believe in making a buck, but taxpayers shouldn't supplement my for profit business.
I attended a local school board meeting tonight where a resolution was passed to support an amicable solution to the state being required to pay the $730 million they have withheld from public schools for technology. If you're not familiar with this issue, google "North Carolina forfeiture monies for school technology". The state has basically stolen this money over the last fifteen years and courts have held long ago that it's unconstitutional. Thomasville alone was deprived of about one million dollars that could and should be spent to help prepare our kids for the advanced manufacturing jobs that will help ensure their futures.
Factor in that, about ten years ago, the legislature changed the formula for "education" lottery money. Taxpayers were told that 40% of the profits would go to capital expenditures for public schools. They conveniently and quietly dropped that percentage to 22%, effectively cutting it in half.
Now add in the ADM monies that follow the student from traditional schools to charter schools. Those, in total, equal billions that have been siphoned away from traditional public schools. And we wonder why they're failing. More money doesn't guarantee success. But starving our schools pretty much assures failure.
Anybody wonder why? Follow the money.
Factor in that, about ten years ago, the legislature changed the formula for "education" lottery money. Taxpayers were told that 40% of the profits would go to capital expenditures for public schools. They conveniently and quietly dropped that percentage to 22%, effectively cutting it in half.
Now add in the ADM monies that follow the student from traditional schools to charter schools. Those, in total, equal billions that have been siphoned away from traditional public schools. And we wonder why they're failing. More money doesn't guarantee success. But starving our schools pretty much assures failure.
Anybody wonder why? Follow the money.
What's a small Charter ?
I say put the Charters in 2a and put the smallest 2a schools into 1a?
That may be when a multiplier could be used.
There are only a few charters that play football so not much change. Need to look at this from an all sports aspect and with the total number of charters it could make a huge change.
Good comment.I would love to see our school systems run at the countie level,that way it would let people in all different areas of our state decide what is best taught in our schools,and get the damn unions out of our schools systems.there are places where unions are needed but not in education or government ,all they do is rob the taxpayers and you can't hardly ever get rid of a bad employer.
While were at it get rid of the ncchaa and let something else that has an interest in promoting our student athletes,just look how much highschool football has been hurt by the nchsaa setting on there ass collecting a paycheck and not doing hardly anything to fix the problems that keep adding up ever time and issue comes up and gets debated on these forums I,find out that they are solutions,but there are too many roadblocks to any meaningfull changes, because the people in charge are afraid to fix anything , there not leaders there just paycheck collectors that are good at kicking the can down the road . Nothing will ever change if we don't have the best minds hired with the expertise to fix the problem , going to college and getting lectured by some hippie processer should not qualify anyone for any job muchless our school systems.
My primary point was that we really need to get the legislators out of education. To be honest, I don’t think that all curriculum decisions should be made locally. But the state has given charter schools all sorts of freedom, relieved them of many of the burdens that schools face (transportation, meals, curriculum restraints, teacher certification) and then want to compare results. They conclude from that comparison that charters are better, even though some charters fail miserably academically. That’s like putting two football teams on the field, and one uses a football on offense and the other uses a medicine ball.
Even worse, they seem to favor charter schools that are set up to make money.....subsidized by taxpayers. If they truly want our kids to succeed, let traditional schools have more freedom. If a local school district values art and music, schedule it. If you believe your community needs advanced manufacturing skills, by all means. The one size fits all approach doesn’t necessarily work. Yet, they give charters that freedom. There is a concerted effort to destroy traditional public schools. It’s not educational. It’s political. Every child needs equal access to a quality education, not just those with two parents who can pay for a better one. There is one charter school in my county. It’s twenty-five minutes from me. No transportation provided. I could get my kids there. But most of my fellow citizens can’t. My answer is to make sure that the vast majority of the students in my two high school city can get just as good an education as the few who go to private or charter schools. That means getting ALL politics out of education.....conservative or liberal. Just do the right thing. It’s really not that hard.
Even worse, they seem to favor charter schools that are set up to make money.....subsidized by taxpayers. If they truly want our kids to succeed, let traditional schools have more freedom. If a local school district values art and music, schedule it. If you believe your community needs advanced manufacturing skills, by all means. The one size fits all approach doesn’t necessarily work. Yet, they give charters that freedom. There is a concerted effort to destroy traditional public schools. It’s not educational. It’s political. Every child needs equal access to a quality education, not just those with two parents who can pay for a better one. There is one charter school in my county. It’s twenty-five minutes from me. No transportation provided. I could get my kids there. But most of my fellow citizens can’t. My answer is to make sure that the vast majority of the students in my two high school city can get just as good an education as the few who go to private or charter schools. That means getting ALL politics out of education.....conservative or liberal. Just do the right thing. It’s really not that hard.
Man you are onto something. We need people like you in Raleigh for educations sake.
Couldn’t get on the ballot. I’m registered “unaffiliated”. And I live in a one party county where the only qualification to get elected is to see how far right you can be. I actually think there are some good folks on both sides of the aisle. That’s blasphemy in today’s political environment.
But thanks for the compliment (I think).
I'm in the same boat pal. Straight ticket county doesn't matter how crappy of a person or leader they are. Good ole boy politics.
Spent the first half of my life in a county where you had to be a Democrat for your mama to let you out of the house. Then somebody flipped a switch and it’s just the opposite. What I discovered along the way is that neither side wanted you to think. Just repeat the party line and refuse to listen to anybody who doesn’t. They must be a Fascist or a Socialist (pick your dirty name) if they don’t agree with everything you are told to believe.
Education is about learning to think for yourself. That’s scary to a lot of people. Especially those in Raleigh.
Education is about learning to think for yourself. That’s scary to a lot of people. Especially those in Raleigh.
You are exactly right. I grew up a staunch Republican. Left the party after college. Was accused and disowned by several family members for being "liberally indoctrinated." When I left switched to unaffiliated. I refuse to follow either party line and it scares me that people feel you should follow a party line. People act like I am a terrorist around here sometimes because I don't follow their side line by line. It is very scary that people refuse to think for themselves and try to tell people how to think or think how they are told. Crazy times man.
New one called Oak Grove Charter Academy off I-85 in Durham. Opposed by both Wake and Durham County school boards. To be operated by National Heritage Academies, a Michigan based for profit which already runs 13 charters in NC. Local boards opposed because it would increase segregation in community.
Any school with no defined boundary should not play against schools with boundaries.
I’ve held back on my opinion. No school from Pilot
Mountain, Bryson City, Ronda, Bakersville should play a school that can have students from multiple counties.
I don’t know how anyone think this is fair. In my County, there are 2 schools with boundaries (West goes to Starmount and East goes to Forbush). You can’t go to these schools unless you live there in the county with an exception of teacher’s kids.
The smaller schools are the only ones having to deal with this issue. 3A and 4A schools don’t care about it right now because most charters are small.
I’ve held back on my opinion. No school from Pilot
Mountain, Bryson City, Ronda, Bakersville should play a school that can have students from multiple counties.
I don’t know how anyone think this is fair. In my County, there are 2 schools with boundaries (West goes to Starmount and East goes to Forbush). You can’t go to these schools unless you live there in the county with an exception of teacher’s kids.
The smaller schools are the only ones having to deal with this issue. 3A and 4A schools don’t care about it right now because most charters are small.
if there was a charter school where I live, a 25 mile radius would include Yadkin (my home), Surry, Wilkes, Iredell, Davie, and Forsyth counties.
From Thomasville, parts of Davidson, Rowan, Davie, Forsyth, Guilford, and Randolph.
Charters should be the same classification as the highest class in their county. For example, if the charter school is in a county or defined district with a 3a school, then they should be 3a. If the largest public school is a 2a, then the charter is a 2a. If its in Raleigh or Durham, then the charter is a 4a. Or, they could add all the adms from all the schools within a 25 mile radius and go with that number since thats inevitably who they could be pulling players from....Just a thought!
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This is true. Shelby is close. But how many people on here honestly believe that kids would leave Shelby high school to come play football at TJ? I can think of just about 0 that would do that
Kids who don't start and their parents think they're good enough to or 2nd string players for instance. It's not like Shelby is struggling for talent. Would you rather be a 2nd string QB/WR/RB when you can be a "D1 talent" at TJ playing in 1A?
Okay well take this into consideration. Tim Ruff played at crest. He used to attend Shelby, but whenever Isiah Bess transfered in from Burns, Tim realized he wouldn’t be able to start at Shelby anymore. So he transfered to crest. So it is not only charters who get players from other schools. I’m not arguing whether or not there is an advantage. I am just simply proving that charters are not the only schools who receives transfers
