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Could There Be A Referee Problem in The NCHSAA ???

These guys went at half time and got there street clothes out of the feild house and put in there car. They left running off feild before ball was set. Got in car and left. They were over herd saying they would have to leave quick because what was going to happen in 2 nd half. Idk just what I have herd.
 
I promise you it is addressed. Everyone is not invited back, even when there is a shortage of officials. Also each coach is allowed to mark off officials that they may have had differences with. Also officials are allowed to mark off schools. I am sure I am marked off some places and I know I have some schools marked off.

I would love to see the Hudl plays on the questionable calls. I have evaluated film on many games over the years and I promise you I have been harder on officials that make glaring mistakes. And in turn I have informed coaches and officials that I think they got right.

I have purposely stayed out of this discussion as I know what it would have turned into for me.
My coach in high school had us wear shirts on the front of them said “ no more excuses” on the back it said whose is responsible for winning and losing?

1 refs
2 coaches?
3 fans?
Then in big letters

if you’re good enough you will in in spite of those excuses
 
Great point but the way I see it is there's bad refs, bad coaches, bad athletes, bad AD, bad leaders at NCHSAA Headquarters. Bad is all over no matter what.....
 
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I think coaches are overworked and under payed. Teachers? They report to work at 730 and leave at 4. They get 2 and 1/2 months off and every holiday known to mankind. They get a retirement plan that’s unmatched anywhere. They should get all these benefits because their job is very important and who wants to deal with these kids parents?

as far as work. Most folks not working for the state work more hours with no hope of retiring. They get very little time off and if they get sick they lose their jobs. Teachers got it pretty good
 
I won’t try to generalize about teachers because they’re all individuals. But my daughter taught in Charlotte. Taught Dyami and Khafri Brown. She had a group of eight or ten teacher friends, all under 35. What I do know is that almost all of them worked 60-70 hours a week. What drove her out wasn’t the kids, nor even the substandard pay, but the parents.
 
I won’t try to generalize about teachers because they’re all individuals. But my daughter taught in Charlotte. Taught Dyami and Khafri Brown. She had a group of eight or ten teacher friends, all under 35. What I do know is that almost all of them worked 60-70 hours a week. What drove her out wasn’t the kids, nor even the substandard pay, but the parents.
My Father was a teacher and my daughter is a teacher now. Anybody that thinks they have it easy are out of their freeking minds.
 
Mentally it's very exhausting!!! Physically not demanding at all. Exams at my school this week and next mon and Tues. Kids go home at 11:30 then we can leave but get pd whole day. Then we are off until Jan 3rd. Get a week of for spring break. It's hard to deal with the kids and there parents but you do get alot of time off. Also if you are a new state employee teacher etc.....this year you do not get the retirement anymore they did away with it for new employees.
 
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My Father was a teacher and my daughter is a teacher now. Anybody that thinks they have it easy are out of their freeking minds.
No disrespect. Teaching is a calling those who do it as that work really hard. Not denying it. But it’s not the hardest physical or mental job. My grandad worked inside a mine shaft.
 
I have no problem with a head coach who teaches PE making $80k. But I do have a problem with a math or science teacher with twenty years of tenure making less.
Also at 15 years, pay increases for more years of experience stops till you reach 25 years then it increase by 200 per month. This does not encourage experienced teachers to stay.
 
I think coaches are overworked and under payed. Teachers? They report to work at 730 and leave at 4. They get 2 and 1/2 months off and every holiday known to mankind. They get a retirement plan that’s unmatched anywhere. They should get all these benefits because their job is very important and who wants to deal with these kids parents?

as far as work. Most folks not working for the state work more hours with no hope of retiring. They get very little time off and if they get sick they lose their jobs. Teachers got it pretty good
I'm married to a 20 year teacher, they work 7 days a week, sometimes till 9 or 10 at night there is a lot more to it than people think she sits here 2 to 3 hrs every night entering everything on her computer to send for someone to look at, the ones who have it made work at the board office they do nothing except create more work for teachers
 
I think coaches are overworked and under payed. Teachers? They report to work at 730 and leave at 4. They get 2 and 1/2 months off and every holiday known to mankind. They get a retirement plan that’s unmatched anywhere. They should get all these benefits because their job is very important and who wants to deal with these kids parents?

as far as work. Most folks not working for the state work more hours with no hope of retiring. They get very little time off and if they get sick they lose their jobs. Teachers got it pretty good
This is one of the most uninformed and ignorant posts I have ever read on this board.
As you can see from the countless responses above none of these stereotypes you refer to are true.
I usually don’t respond in such a way but just felt the need.
 
This is one of the most uninformed and ignorant posts I have ever read on this board.
As you can see from the countless responses above none of these stereotypes you refer to are true.
I usually don’t respond in such a way but just felt the need.
Good lord take a chill kill there Billy the kid we just a bunch of bored idiots drinking cold ones shooting the bull lol
 
I think I said they’re over worked and underpaid. All I was saying is it’s not the hardest job in the whole world as was stated earlier.
 
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Good lord take a chill kill there Billy the kid we just a bunch of bored idiots drinking cold ones shooting the bull lol
If you have read any of my other posts you know that was out of character for me. The initial post I was referencing just irritated me. Later he did say teachers were overworked and underpaid. Nevertheless the first one on the subject is how many feel about that profession.
I married a woman who taught for 30 years. Helped raise three college educated children (counting baby boy who is senior) and wife warned all three away from education. The benefits have gone down once salaries started to rise. Most teachers have part time jobs to supplement their pay.
I felt same about teachers before I lived with one.

Oh and as I have mentioned before I am a fourth generation flue cured tobacco farmer.
 
If you have read any of my other posts you know that was out of character for me. The initial post I was referencing just irritated me. Later he did say teachers were overworked and underpaid. Nevertheless the first one on the subject is how many feel about that profession.
I married a woman who taught for 30 years. Helped raise three college educated children (counting baby boy who is senior) and wife warned all three away from education. The benefits have gone down once salaries started to rise. Most teachers have part time jobs to supplement their pay.
I felt same about teachers before I lived with one.

Oh and as I have mentioned before I am a fourth generation flue cured tobacco farmer.
When my daughter decided to teach I told her that if she chose that profession as a calling, (as my Father did) I would make sure that she did not go hungry. When she got her first monthly check, she called me while in her car, crying over her NET CHECK. She made more net, in her hand money BABY SITTING on weekends while a student.

Of course I explained the difference in Net and Gross Check but the fact is she could not even live a minimally decent life on her net. So I honored my promise, did my duty and supplement her income and have been doing so for the past 18 years. As she got her Master's and her National Board Certification (which the right wing geniuses in Raleigh General Assembly will no longer honor for newer teachers), my supplement to her is less but still there.

I do not regret even one dollar of my contribution to her welfare, but I do have serious and unkind feelings toward what has happened to teachers and education over the past 20 odd years here in NC.

Anybody that thinks teachers have it made, well they just need to walk in a teacher's shoes for 10 or 15 years and maybe they will appreciate those teachers just a little bit more.
 
When my daughter decided to teach I told her that if she chose that profession as a calling, (as my Father did) I would make sure that she did not go hungry. When she got her first monthly check, she called me while in her car, crying over her NET CHECK. She made more net, in her hand money BABY SITTING on weekends while a student.

Of course I explained the difference in Net and Gross Check but the fact is she could not even live a minimally decent life on her net. So I honored my promise, did my duty and supplement her income and have been doing so for the past 18 years. As she got her Master's and her National Board Certification (which the right wing geniuses in Raleigh General Assembly will no longer honor for newer teachers), my supplement to her is less but still there.

I do not regret even one dollar of my contribution to her welfare, but I do have serious and unkind feelings toward what has happened to teachers and education over the past 20 odd years here in NC.

Anybody that thinks teachers have it made, well they just need to walk in a teacher's shoes for 10 or 15 years and maybe they will appreciate those teachers just a little bit more.
I have known of teaches in Mount Airy, Surry County school systems paying from their own pocketbooks for school supplies for their students.
 
When my daughter decided to teach I told her that if she chose that profession as a calling, (as my Father did) I would make sure that she did not go hungry. When she got her first monthly check, she called me while in her car, crying over her NET CHECK. She made more net, in her hand money BABY SITTING on weekends while a student.

Of course I explained the difference in Net and Gross Check but the fact is she could not even live a minimally decent life on her net. So I honored my promise, did my duty and supplement her income and have been doing so for the past 18 years. As she got her Master's and her National Board Certification (which the right wing geniuses in Raleigh General Assembly will no longer honor for newer teachers), my supplement to her is less but still there.

I do not regret even one dollar of my contribution to her welfare, but I do have serious and unkind feelings toward what has happened to teachers and education over the past 20 odd years here in NC.

Anybody that thinks teachers have it made, well they just need to walk in a teacher's shoes for 10 or 15 years and maybe they will appreciate those teachers just a little bit more.
Its actually in the budget this year to compensate for masters and national boards which is a win for hard working teachers compliments of the Republican Party
 
National boards compensation never stopped.

Masters pay was not reinstated. It was scrapped at the last minute.

So yeah keep praising members of the NCGA that keep short changing education.
 
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Its actually in the budget this year to compensate for masters and national boards which is a win for hard working teachers compliments of the Republican Party
Yeah Purple I am late but Thunder is right about Master's being scrapped. Thought the NC budget was a bi-partisan compromise right?
Please I don't talk politics on here just stating what was widely reported.
 
National boards compensation never stopped.

Masters pay was not reinstated. It was scrapped at the last minute.

So yeah keep praising members of the NCGA that keep short changing education.
Then why did my niece get a huge raise for getting her masters? liberalism which tends towards socialism is basically atheism words of Jesse Helms look it up Trump 2024
 
Then why did my niece get a huge raise for getting her masters? liberalism which tends towards socialism is basically atheism words of Jesse Helms look it up Trump 2024

What county does she teach in and when did she get her masters?

You can argue all you want with me about this but you are wrong about the state reinstating masters pay.
 
And yes the budget was bipartisan.

Granted most of the work in the NCGA is done behind closed doors by 1 party but your probably ok with millions of North Carolina citizens voices getting left out of decision making.

Don't brag on a party that held up the budget process for 3 years.
 
And yes the budget was bipartisan.

Granted most of the work in the NCGA is done behind closed doors by 1 party but your probably ok with millions of North Carolina citizens voices getting left out of decision making.

Don't brag on a party that held up the budget process for 3 years.
I love my party we are going to win in 2022 and 2024 because of the party in charge now who is making a mess of the country and there will be nothing Thunderstruck can do but accept it
 
I was not at the Mount Airy vs Mitchell game but was hearing play-by-play on the radio and could not believe all the calls on Mount Airy & Mitchell but much more and worse calls on MA. Did the coach deserve all the calls or were all the calls that may have been bad causing the coach to get pissed and getting the calls. In all the games I covered as a photographer for 9 years and all the games I have been to and listened to on the radio, I have NEVER heard as many calls on one team and as many TDs called back as this game. I've been wanting t post this since that game but decided till the season was over to say what I thought. These NCPreps boards are open for all to see and I can imagine quite a few Refs read them. Have too many rules been added over the years for new Refs to fairly call a game? Do they need to review all the High school rules and make a new set since they can't keep enough Refs for the games because maybe they are being chewed out for bad calls? Seems every year the NCHSAA adds rules. Maybe that is why the state is stepping in. I say the Refs need more paid training and more pay and milage increase for each game and with that some type of penalty for consecutive bad calls and a review by the state if they are going to involve themselves in high school sports. Also, the state decides on the pay for the Refs. Better pay for fewer bad calls. That's just my opinion, what do others suggest? I have heard a lot of complaints from the SMC and others. My personal opinion is Better paid training, better pay, and millage pay per game with penalties on Refs for too many bad calls. If not 100% sure, then a no call. This is high school kids, not college or pro ! People don't pay to see the Refs, they pay to see the games. Sorry if some don't like what I just said but your opinion is welcome as that is all I have to say, right or wrong I just thought I needed to say it and get it out of my system. I am sure others have better ideas, and that was mine and post yours if mine is bad. I WILL NOT ANSWER TO ANYONE THAT DISAGREES, JUST AGREE, DISAGREE OR POST YOUR OPINION.
Let me get this straight? You determined that the officials were terrible, yet you weren't even at the game to see it for yourself? Wow.

You're so naïve and lack so much knowledge based on what you just posted. Here's a few things for you to consider.

There are no greater homers in the world than the radio announcers who broadcast your local HS football game. Fan is short for fanatic. Fanatics see the game with their heart, not with unbiased eyes. And that's fine. I've learned to accept that 99% will never understand.

Fans and your local radio guys predominantly learn the rules by watching TV on Saturday and Sunday. In HS, we don't play by NCAA nor NFL rules. You're not even aware that HS football rules are written by the National Federation of High Schools Football Rules Committee. The NCHSAA does not now nor has it ever written a single HS football rule.

Officials get yelled at and "chewed out" to use your words because coaches are advocates for their teams. Do officials make mistakes? Absolutely. But I've never worked a game with one who intentionally made a mistake or a call against a team. We expect coaches to yell. But when a call is made and you show your ass, someone is going to bust it with a flag.

On the night that regional finals were played, exactly 8 officiating crews worked, one from 8 of the 9 associations in the state were working. 4 of those crews worked state championships the next week. Every crew was from a neutral association. That is none of those crews officiate either team during the regular season. They don't have any reason purpose or desire to make a call for or against anyone.

Here's what you and many others don't understand. Game fees have gone up. But we can't get new officials to stay in the game because fans and coaches chew them up and spit them out in rec and youth leagues. That won't take the abuse. I don't blame them. I won't work that BS either. Unfortunately, that's where everyone has to start. Now, do you truly believe that there are people who are currently not officiating HS football who can show up next year and do a better job than the men AND women who have been showing up on Friday night for the last 10, 20, 30, even 40 years and do a better job? No, they're aren't.

The average age of a HS sports official in this country is 60 years old. 60 years old! Do you know what that means/ It means in another 10-15 years, there won't be anymore youth sports. HS football games will be played on Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday afternoon and Sunday night. That's because there won't be enough officials to work all the games on Friday night. It's coming. It's just a matter of time.

"I WILL NOT ANSWER TO ANYONE THAT DISAGREES, JUST AGREE, DISAGREE OR POST YOUR OPINION."

Lol.

Registration begins May 15, 2022. For anyone with the balls to do it, contact your local HS AD and ask who the regional supervisor is in your area. The AD can hook you up. Come out and show us how it's done.

Happy New Year everyone!
 
Let me get this straight? You determined that the officials were terrible, yet you weren't even at the game to see it for yourself? Wow.

You're so naïve and lack so much knowledge based on what you just posted. Here's a few things for you to consider.

There are no greater homers in the world than the radio announcers who broadcast your local HS football game. Fan is short for fanatic. Fanatics see the game with their heart, not with unbiased eyes. And that's fine. I've learned to accept that 99% will never understand.

Fans and your local radio guys predominantly learn the rules by watching TV on Saturday and Sunday. In HS, we don't play by NCAA nor NFL rules. You're not even aware that HS football rules are written by the National Federation of High Schools Football Rules Committee. The NCHSAA does not now nor has it ever written a single HS football rule.

Officials get yelled at and "chewed out" to use your words because coaches are advocates for their teams. Do officials make mistakes? Absolutely. But I've never worked a game with one who intentionally made a mistake or a call against a team. We expect coaches to yell. But when a call is made and you show your ass, someone is going to bust it with a flag.

On the night that regional finals were played, exactly 8 officiating crews worked, one from 8 of the 9 associations in the state were working. 4 of those crews worked state championships the next week. Every crew was from a neutral association. That is none of those crews officiate either team during the regular season. They don't have any reason purpose or desire to make a call for or against anyone.

Here's what you and many others don't understand. Game fees have gone up. But we can't get new officials to stay in the game because fans and coaches chew them up and spit them out in rec and youth leagues. That won't take the abuse. I don't blame them. I won't work that BS either. Unfortunately, that's where everyone has to start. Now, do you truly believe that there are people who are currently not officiating HS football who can show up next year and do a better job than the men AND women who have been showing up on Friday night for the last 10, 20, 30, even 40 years and do a better job? No, they're aren't.

The average age of a HS sports official in this country is 60 years old. 60 years old! Do you know what that means/ It means in another 10-15 years, there won't be anymore youth sports. HS football games will be played on Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday afternoon and Sunday night. That's because there won't be enough officials to work all the games on Friday night. It's coming. It's just a matter of time.

"I WILL NOT ANSWER TO ANYONE THAT DISAGREES, JUST AGREE, DISAGREE OR POST YOUR OPINION."

Lol.

Registration begins May 15, 2022. For anyone with the balls to do it, contact your local HS AD and ask who the regional supervisor is in your area. The AD can hook you up. Come out and show us how it's done.

Happy New Year everyone!
Long time since I’ve heard from you FBRef. Hope you’re doing well.
 
Let me get this straight? You determined that the officials were terrible, yet you weren't even at the game to see it for yourself? Wow.

You're so naïve and lack so much knowledge based on what you just posted. Here's a few things for you to consider.

There are no greater homers in the world than the radio announcers who broadcast your local HS football game. Fan is short for fanatic. Fanatics see the game with their heart, not with unbiased eyes. And that's fine. I've learned to accept that 99% will never understand.

Fans and your local radio guys predominantly learn the rules by watching TV on Saturday and Sunday. In HS, we don't play by NCAA nor NFL rules. You're not even aware that HS football rules are written by the National Federation of High Schools Football Rules Committee. The NCHSAA does not now nor has it ever written a single HS football rule.

Officials get yelled at and "chewed out" to use your words because coaches are advocates for their teams. Do officials make mistakes? Absolutely. But I've never worked a game with one who intentionally made a mistake or a call against a team. We expect coaches to yell. But when a call is made and you show your ass, someone is going to bust it with a flag.

On the night that regional finals were played, exactly 8 officiating crews worked, one from 8 of the 9 associations in the state were working. 4 of those crews worked state championships the next week. Every crew was from a neutral association. That is none of those crews officiate either team during the regular season. They don't have any reason purpose or desire to make a call for or against anyone.

Here's what you and many others don't understand. Game fees have gone up. But we can't get new officials to stay in the game because fans and coaches chew them up and spit them out in rec and youth leagues. That won't take the abuse. I don't blame them. I won't work that BS either. Unfortunately, that's where everyone has to start. Now, do you truly believe that there are people who are currently not officiating HS football who can show up next year and do a better job than the men AND women who have been showing up on Friday night for the last 10, 20, 30, even 40 years and do a better job? No, they're aren't.

The average age of a HS sports official in this country is 60 years old. 60 years old! Do you know what that means/ It means in another 10-15 years, there won't be anymore youth sports. HS football games will be played on Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday afternoon and Sunday night. That's because there won't be enough officials to work all the games on Friday night. It's coming. It's just a matter of time.

"I WILL NOT ANSWER TO ANYONE THAT DISAGREES, JUST AGREE, DISAGREE OR POST YOUR OPINION."

Lol.

Registration begins May 15, 2022. For anyone with the balls to do it, contact your local HS AD and ask who the regional supervisor is in your area. The AD can hook you up. Come out and show us how it's done.

Happy New Year everyone!
I have good friends that were at the game that were in different places on the field and yes I believe there was a couple of bad Refs at that game and you were not there either or maybe you were and made the bad calls. So those fans pay you salary so don't them down. Also, where have you been Mr. Mod to come on here weeks after my post running your mouth. If you were not at the game then you know no more than I do but as I said I had friends at the game and your word to me means less than theirs. So get off your high horse and go stick your head back under that rock it has been under for weeks. Yes, there are good Refs but there was a couple at that game that was PEE WEE refs in my opinion. So go back to what you were doing besides being a board Mod. You mean nothing down here. You are probably a bad Ref to wait weeks before reading my post & a bad MOD ! ! ! ! I don't need your crap. And you need to take your smart azz mouth and read my other posts on what I said. I will not answer to any more of your smart know it all mouth ! !! ! You know nothing if you picked out that one post of mine and read it . AND I DISAGREE, THERE ARE A FEW BAD REFS OUT THERE ! ! ! ! So don't bother me anymore ! ! ! you are several weeks too late ...............
 
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I have good friends that were at the game that were in different places on the field and yes I believe there was a couple of bad Refs at that game and you were not there either or maybe you were and made the bad calls. So those fans pay you salary so don't them down. Also, where have you been Mr. Mod to come on here weeks after my post running your mouth. If you were not at the game then you know no more than I do but as I said I had friends at the game and your word to me means less than theirs. So get off your high horse and go stick your head back under that rock it has been under for weeks. Yes, there are good Refs but there was a couple at that game that was PEE WEE refs in my opinion. So go back to what you were doing besides being a board Mod. You mean nothing down here. You are probably a bad Ref to wait weeks before reading my post & a bad MOD ! ! ! ! I don't need your crap. And you need to take your smart azz mouth and read my other posts on what I said. I will not answer to any more of your smart know it all mouth ! !! ! You know nothing if you picked out that one post of mine and read it . AND I DISAGREE, THERE ARE A FEW BAD REFS OUT THERE ! ! ! ! So don't bother me anymore ! ! ! you are several weeks too late ...............
TD wow…
And you edited this post as well???
Dang…
Happy Holidays friends…🙃
 
TD wow…
And you edited this post as well???
Dang…
Happy Holidays friends…🙃
I had a Doctors appointment and was trying to answer this so-called Mod that must stay on the other boards and just saw my post from weeks ago. Pissed me off he waited so long and didn't read my other posts saying the Refs needed better pay to get better refs. Not a good morning to wake up and see his posts that you could tell he had not read all the posts I had made. I can't remember seeing him on the 1A boards n a good while. If he just came down to give me a rough time then I can give it right back. Other Refs have admitted there are a few bad Refs and Mount Airy had 2 that night. They got more calls that night than all season combined. He is a leftover Christmas fruit cake someone threw out ! ! ! WOW, he hasn't posted down here in a good while or he would have seen my post weeks ago. I had put football behind me and yes FBRef, you pissed me off. There are bad Refs, & Fans but MA got the PEE WEE Refs that night.
Also after all everyone said, he singles mine out to rake me over the coals. He needs to stay off the 1a boards if he spends all his time not doing his job on all the boards. Now I am done with football, the season is over.
 
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I have good friends that were at the game that were in different places on the field and yes I believe there was a couple of bad Refs at that game and you were not there either or maybe you were and made the bad calls. So those fans pay you salary so don't them down. Also, where have you been Mr. Mod to come on here weeks after my post running your mouth. If you were not at the game then you know no more than I do but as I said I had friends at the game and your word to me means less than theirs. So get off your high horse and go stick your head back under that rock it has been under for weeks. Yes, there are good Refs but there was a couple at that game that was PEE WEE refs in my opinion. So go back to what you were doing besides being a board Mod. You mean nothing down here. You are probably a bad Ref to wait weeks before reading my post & a bad MOD ! ! ! ! I don't need your crap. And you need to take your smart azz mouth and read my other posts on what I said. I will not answer to any more of your smart know it all mouth ! !! ! You know nothing if you picked out that one post of mine and read it . AND I DISAGREE, THERE ARE A FEW BAD REFS OUT THERE ! ! ! ! So don't bother me anymore ! ! ! you are several weeks too late ...............
TD, FBRef is one one of the most respected people on these High School forums.....
 
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