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What has happened to heart in football?

raider1959

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I have been to games and both teams seem to going through the motions out on the field. No enthusiasm at all. You play because you love the game, no matter what your abilities are. I realize this is young boys playing out there,not grown men. You give your best, no matter if you win or lose. That is the way it should be. Some players are bigger,faster and have more natural ability. If you are going to play,leave it all out on the field. Football is a game of emotion. Respect the game and give it your best. Give your best like anything in life. I do love H.S. football. This is a different time, but football is still football!
 
That is the truth. I think football is a window to look into where we are as a nation. What is happening in football today is a direct reflection of what is going on in America now. You are seeing the slow demise of football and the demise of the USA. People would rather sit at home and play video games and watch crappy no brainer tv shows than get involved enthusiastically with sports or the issues facing our nation. Sad, but it is a statement of our times and who we are.
 
Ok good so I'm not the only one that thinks this.
I've been saying all year that my (Asheville) team looks like they don't care. We have one of our more talented teams but yet it seems like the main objective is to look good and post your pictures all over the Internet. Like y'all said, it's reflective of how soft we are getting as a country. Everybody wins now and coaches aren't allowed to tell at players or they will be tried criminally. Players don't respect/fear coaches like they used to and therefore give half ass effort. Luckily there are still players who play their asses off, but there is no doubt you can see a shift in the attitude where when the tough gets going....just quit.
 
It is cultural, it is generational, it has way too many variables to type up in a message board post. I agree that part of it is a reflection of this nation. But there is more to it.

In no certain order I blame the trickle-down philosphies of big time college sports creeping into HS athletics, the video game culture; both in the lack of enthusiasm to engage in recreational activity as a whole and a Madden generation that thinks football is just all about mashing the right combination of buttons or knowing a "cheat code", central air conditioning, the demise of farming as a way of life, year round sports teams with no allegiance to a school, school policies or administrations that aren't interested in kids expressing themselves positively, Little Johnny has got to get that D1scholly parents, it can seem endless.

On a personal level, I noted last year that my kid's JV team, while not lacking interest or caring, doesn't seemed consumed with winning. I don't mean a win at all costs attitude but in the moment, when a game is in the balance, there didn't seem to be enough emotion, at least from what I recall from my era of the late 70's to early 80's.

In the end though, it is the kids out on the field that have to make it or break it. We can lament for the "good ole days" but 30 years from now they will be saying the same things we are saying now, I bet.

The thing that I think will kill this sport before concussions is behavior. Look at the stories about parent behavior at youth games, referees being attacked by players, and the latest one where a HC was ejected for unsportsmanlike behavior and he and his staff turned aggressive to the opposing team and even the cops. That's a mighty big ego when you become so emotional that you think you can take on men with guns, tasers, and pepper spray.
 
Ahscougar1, just ask Kadeem or Rahkeem. These kids don't want it as bad as some of those Asheville teams back in the early-mid 2000's. Just go to a practice and you will see the lack of focus and heart. It's sad when the coach's have to worry about motivating their players and getting them up to play a game with the talent we have. I believe it is definitely a cultural and generational thing. The kids at Asheville want to be successful and they say they want to be the best-but they don't want to put in the discipline, the work, the effort that it takes to be a champion. And I'm sure Asheville is one of many schools like that.
 
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And school boundary verifiers / geography majors to insure that precious Johnny is not lying about where he really lives and causing all kinds of havoc with the NCHSAA if he steps on the field at the wrong school. I don't blame the NCHSAA for enforcing the rules but I do blame precious Johnny's parents for allowing this crap to happen because precious Johnny wants to go to play football at school x instead of school y.
 
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Now a days it seems like coaches have to be psychologists and guidance counselors instead of football coaches.

agreed!!
Coaches these days have so much more on their plate with the student athletes. Im glad Im no the only one that notices this also. I think another contributing factor is the fact that it doesnt bother kids to lose as much anymore. Yes they care at that particular moment but when they go home and have social media, video games, "Bae" and all these other things kids are into these days, they dont care about losing anymore and it doesnt eat them up like kids in the past. Coaches care so much more about winning and losing than students and that is a problem. I remember "back in my day" when we lost, it ate me up for days until we had a chance to rectify it. Its a sad world we are living in now and it is deteriorating right in front of us at every level and facet
 
Lol bae. God if you say that you should immediately be kicked off your team. I agree these kids may act like they care but they don't really. Obviously not all are like that but it does seem like that attitude is becoming the norm. We lost to Reynolds this year and it was the most obvious "quitting" in a game I've ever seen. Players arguing with coaches, each other, pouting etc. It's gonna get worse before it gets better I'm afraid because these kids feelings are too fragile to discipline them
 
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Yep, it is sad when the coach's care more about winning than a lot of the players do. I really believe that a lot of kids just shrug it off after a loss and say "well at least I had this many rushing yards, etc."After the Reynolds debacle I almost had to keep myself from laughing because of the number of kids crying after the game. I'm not making fun of them, I'm fine with it after a tough heart-breaking loss when you played your heart out. I was just thinking, if you are really that upset about it why the heck did you not play any harder or show more heart/leadership DURING the game.
 
Truth of the matter is if kids can't finish first then they would rather just not finish. Coaches have been under so much pressure to win to keep their job they have made football a year long endeavor for the kids. Kids want to be kids, kids want to earn money in the summer, kids tire of not being able to take summer vacations with the family, being told if they are not in 1st period weight training class they will not play. Kids once played for school pride. Now they play for the coach, not for love of competition and pride.
 
GDG, I know at Asheville the coach's try to not make it a job. They give them December- March off pretty much outside of weight training. Also summer workouts aren't required, but if you want
Your name on the back of your jersey you have to come to x amount of summer workouts and reach your lifting/running goals. I also know that lifting is toned way back during the season.
 
Maybe they don't have heart.... but the big, strong, massive, fast, athletic kids from Crest would smack the s%*t out of those tough kids with heart running the wish bone and the 5-2 OK defense 30 years ago.
 
Truth of the matter is if kids can't finish first then they would rather just not finish. Coaches have been under so much pressure to win to keep their job they have made football a year long endeavor for the kids. Kids want to be kids, kids want to earn money in the summer, kids tire of not being able to take summer vacations with the family, being told if they are not in 1st period weight training class they will not play. Kids once played for school pride. Now they play for the coach, not for love of competition and pride.

Well said GDG now tell me what happened to NC this past friday?!?!?!?!
 
Well said GDG now tell me what happened to NC this past friday?!?!?!?!
Rev I just don't know for sure I worked late. I was told by parents and a couple players they just quit like last year when they loss big to Lincolnton twice. Lincolnton is a speedy and very physical team. We are neither. These kids are good kids but we have just a few kids who want to play defense. And you will appreciate this- three of the four kids leading the team in tackles are the wrestlers. Being physical is no problem for them. We have given up 40 to 52 points in 4 of our last 5 games.

Time for the singlets and real athletes. Ten straight final fours, five state finals, two state championships. Many, many individual champions. Break out the mats.
 
Don't get to close to the fence when the Red Raider linemen are going through a drill before the game! It's scary! They must be faking it.
 
Don't get to close to the fence when the Red Raider linemen are going through a drill before the game! It's scary! They must be faking it.


If I wasn't so pretty and so fast, I would have loved to have been a Red Raider lineman! :)
 
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I agree with every word that has been offered on this subject so far. I'd only add a quick couple of additional thoughts....and then I'll shut up....because my thoughts about this topic are not popular and definitely PC.

Along with the obvious attitude, work ethic, desire and effort problems we're seeing in high school football today, we're also seeing the real effect of 30 plus years of the feminization of the American male. If you're over 40 years old you can remember the days when the coach would let two boys beat the living snot out of each other after school in the gym to settle their problem. Those days are gone. If you're over 40 years old you can remember when bullies were dealt with by beating their ass, and not by having a conference with a social worker to determine the "cause" of their aggression. If you're over 40 years old you can remember when boys were told that quitting was not an option, that when you bleed the best thing for it was to rub some dirt on it and that to earn a starting position you had to actually beat another boy out of it first.

Just take a quick ride down Haywood road in West Asheville where I grew up. You see literally hundreds of 20 to 30 year old "men" walking around with their $12.00 designer coffee with their noses stuck in a cell phone.....wearing flip flops with babies strapped across their chests at 11:00 in the morning, while their wives are at work. Thirty years ago those same "men" would be at work......and if you had nuts big enough to walk down Haywood road without some of your buddies with you it meant no one wanted to mess with you.

We're living in different times friends. SMH
 
Real men carry the Message! The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks. Luke 6:45 ESV
 
Rev I just don't know for sure I worked late. I was told by parents and a couple players they just quit like last year when they loss big to Lincolnton twice. Lincolnton is a speedy and very physical team. We are neither. These kids are good kids but we have just a few kids who want to play defense. And you will appreciate this- three of the four kids leading the team in tackles are the wrestlers. Being physical is no problem for them. We have given up 40 to 52 points in 4 of our last 5 games.

Time for the singlets and real athletes. Ten straight final fours, five state finals, two state championships. Many, many individual champions. Break out the mats.


Music to my ears GDG, I admire Newton's program and accomplishments. So glad those wrestlers are leading the way on defense! one of Burns best defenders is a wrestler I believe. If Im not mistaken, Burns will see Newton on the mat this year. should be a good experience!
 
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