Thoughts on Shrine Bowl: NC wins 55-24

[Deana_King]

North Carolina defeated SC 55-24 in the 2017 Shrine Bowl. This is the 3rd straight win for the Tar Heels over the Sandlappers.

NC was very explosive offensively behind QB Ahlers, RB Person, WR Carter. LB Hollifield was all over the field making big hits. ATH Brown had a huge kick return for TD.

Very big win for NC. Any thoughts?

 

[btango]

Tisdale and Henry on the edges were impressive! Did not SC get outside to break many big plays. Sandidge also had a good day. The DBs did a good job. The front seven was strong!

O line did very well with eight total practices together. Williams from WRH is a beast.

Great performances!

 

[knine1]

Announcers said it was most points ever scored by NC......impressive for all the players and coaches

 

[Shelby Lion]

The size and physicality difference was evident . It was a great day for the NC team and Btango is right Kid From WRH is a beast and the Person kid was as well....

I got to watch the first quarter then the end of the third and entire fourth....

There was one play Hollifield came off the left edge hit the tackle from SC and completely knocked him off his feet ...NC was just more physical on both sides and you could tell they really worked on the special teams as well ...

First time seeing Henry and man that kid is something else ..

 

[Ball'in]

Good win for the state of NC, Congratulations. South Carolina did exceptionally well with a record of 15-6 vs NC schools. Scoring 703 - 352
Socastee SC 39 West Brunswick NC 14
Socastee SC 43 North Brunswick NC 20
Carolina Forest SC 24 Providence Day NC 7
Carolina Forest SC 0 Hoggard NC 21
Dutch Fork SC 51 Independence NC 8
Northwestern SC 45 South Mecklenburg NC 0
Clover SC 56 Ashbrook NC 26
Clover SC 41 Forestview NC 5
Clover SC 42 Huss NC 41
Clover SC 0 South Point NC 28
North Myrtle Beach SC 38 West Brunswick NC 12
Myrtle Beach SC 51 Charlotte Christian NC 54
Gaffney SC 28 Harding NC 35
South Pointe SC 25 Shelby NC 0
Dillon SC 42 Lumberton NC 0
Chesterfield SC 44 Anson NC 12
Loris SC 12 South Columbus NC 20
Buford SC 27 Parkwood NC 24
Andrew Jackson SC 14 Providence Day NC 19
Green Sea Floyds SC 31 East Columbus NC 0
Lake View SC 50 South Robeson NC 6

 

[btango]

I remember a few years when a couple of strong schools from each state would play and NC would get the better of the matchups and SC fans would point to the Shrine Bowl victory. Now it is reversed. No true way to determine and I have always said an all star game is definitely not the way even in a blow out but neither are matchups between the states that pit teams that are not very evenly matched or even teams that are not elite.

Take a close look at those games and think about the schools involved. Not really easy to determine which state is stronger based on these outcomes considering the teams involved.

There is one game with two elite larger classification schools playing, Harding (NC 4A state champs) playing Gaffney (5A Upstate runnerup). Gaffney lost five games by 24 points and worst loss was by seven to Dorman, the state runnerup that was one play from the win.

Socastee SC 39 West Brunswick NC 14
5A 5-6 v 3A 4-8
Socastee SC 43 North Brunswick NC 20
5A 5-6 v 3A 1-10
Carolina Forest SC 24 Providence Day NC 7
5A 6-6 v Private 9-3
Carolina Forest SC 0 Hoggard NC 21
5A 6-6 v 4A 13-1 (lost in 4A semi final)
Dutch Fork SC 51 Independence NC
5A 14-1 (state champ) v 4A 2-9
Northwestern SC 45 South Mecklenburg NC 0
5A 7-5 v 4A 2-9
Clover SC 56 Ashbrook NC 26
5A 3-7 v 3A 4-8
Clover SC 41 Forestview NC 5
5A 3-7 v 3A 4-8
Clover SC 42 Huss NC 41
5A 3-7 v 3A 8-5
Clover SC 0 South Point NC 28
5A 3-7 v 2A 12-1
North Myrtle Beach SC 38 West Brunswick NC 12
4A 12-1 v 3A 4-8
Myrtle Beach SC 51 Charlotte Christian NC 54
4A 7-5 v Private 10-1
Gaffney SC 28 Harding NC 35
5A 9-5 v 4A 14-1
South Pointe SC 25 Shelby NC 0
4A 15-0 v 2A 12-3
Dillon SC 42 Lumberton NC 0
3A 15-0 v 4A 2-9
Chesterfield SC 44 Anson NC 12
2A 9-3 v 3A 4-8
Loris SC 12 South Columbus NC 20
3A 4-7 v 2A 12-2
Buford SC 27 Parkwood NC 24
4A 7-2 v 2A 2-9
Andrew Jackson SC 14 Providence Day NC 19
2A 3-7 v Private 9-3
Green Sea Floyds SC 31 East Columbus NC 0
1A 6-6 v 1A 1-10
Lake View SC 50 South Robeson NC 6
1A 8-3 v 1A 1-10

 

[seansports]

Good point, also what S.C. fails to consider about those victories they had in the Shrine bowls back in those games were alot of N.Carolina's better high profile players were playing in State championships the same weekend the Shrine bowl was being played so no true indicator on who had the better team.

 

[Ball'in]

Hmm... will Mallard Creek schedule another 2A team from SC. Heard Abbeville is the top dog over there now.

 

[Blue and Gold22]

Hmm... will Mallard Creek schedule another 2A team from SC. Heard Abbeville is the top dog over there now.

Last two SC teams to play Mallard Creek were RHSP and Byrnes. Creek looking for a Week one return visit from RHSP. They have already declined.

 

[btango]

Hmm... will Mallard Creek schedule another 2A team from SC. Heard Abbeville is the top dog over there now.

Last two SC teams to play Mallard Creek were RHSP and Byrnes. Creek looking for a Week one return visit from RHSP. They have already declined.

Correct. RHSPe opted not to come to Charlotte in 2017 for the rematch and currently is not interested in a 2018 game. I think that game would generate interest. MC is willing to travel to Rock Hill.

Ball'in, MC needs a game. Two open dates. Any ideas?

RHSPe, a nationally ranked team considered by most (not Tom Knotts though) to be the best in SC will apparently rematch 2A Shelby on the road.

 

[mbdfan]

N Carolina has definitely overtaken S Carolina in the last several years in terms of depth of top level college prospects (and D1 prospects overall). Of course that should've happened a lot longer ago than it did given the population disparity between the two states.

 

[Shelby Lion]

Correct. RHSPe opted not to come to Charlotte in 2017 for the rematch and currently is not interested in a 2018 game. I think that game would generate interest. MC is willing to travel to Rock Hill.

Ball'in, MC needs a game. Two open dates. Any ideas?

RHSPe, a nationally ranked team considered by most (not Tom Knotts though) to be the best in SC will apparently rematch 2A Shelby on the road.

Unless something has changed since earlier in the season the Shelby SPe game was a one and done i read an article where their coach said one year only and wasn’t another game between the two next season

Hope that’s not the case though

 

[btango]

Thanks, SL. I had heard they may rematch. SPe did not show any interest in doing a rematch with MC but replaced the St Francis Academy (Baltimore) and MC games with Shelby and Buford (GA). Would have liked to seen them rematch their 2016 games. SFA was their only loss in 2015 and that team picked up a few big time players this year and was considered by many to be one of the best few in the US. Buford has a marquee name but I am not sure they were better than Mallard Creek.

It is time for MC to travel Shelby. They would do that game for a $10 to $15k payout. Shelby would make a bundle off the gate and concessions.

 

[Ball'in]

Correct. RHSPe opted not to come to Charlotte in 2017 for the rematch and currently is not interested in a 2018 game. I think that game would generate interest. MC is willing to travel to Rock Hill.

Ball'in, MC needs a game. Two open dates. Any ideas?

RHSPe, a nationally ranked team considered by most (not Tom Knotts though) to be the best in SC will apparently rematch 2A Shelby on the road.

Didn't South Pointe defeat Mallard Creek? Hasn't the Shelby fans been begging for a game with Mallard Creek? Last time I checked, there are still only 11 on the field from each team. Shelby's tradition speaks for itself, they my not have the depth but could be dangerous for Mallard Creek.

 

[Ball'in]

I remember a few years when a couple of strong schools from each state would play and NC would get the better of the matchups and SC fans would point to the Shrine Bowl victory. Now it is reversed. No true way to determine and I have always said an all star game is definitely not the way even in a blow out but neither are matchups between the states that pit teams that are not very evenly matched or even teams that are not elite.

Take a close look at those games and think about the schools involved. Not really easy to determine which state is stronger based on these outcomes considering the teams involved.

There is one game with two elite larger classification schools playing, Harding (NC 4A state champs) playing Gaffney (5A Upstate runnerup). Gaffney lost five games by 24 points and worst loss was by seven to Dorman, the state runnerup that was one play from the win.

Socastee SC 39 West Brunswick NC 14
5A 5-6 v 3A 4-8
Socastee SC 43 North Brunswick NC 20
5A 5-6 v 3A 1-10
Carolina Forest SC 24 Providence Day NC 7
5A 6-6 v Private 9-3
Carolina Forest SC 0 Hoggard NC 21
5A 6-6 v 4A 13-1 (lost in 4A semi final)
Dutch Fork SC 51 Independence NC
5A 14-1 (state champ) v 4A 2-9
Northwestern SC 45 South Mecklenburg NC 0
5A 7-5 v 4A 2-9
Clover SC 56 Ashbrook NC 26
5A 3-7 v 3A 4-8
Clover SC 41 Forestview NC 5
5A 3-7 v 3A 4-8
Clover SC 42 Huss NC 41
5A 3-7 v 3A 8-5
Clover SC 0 South Point NC 28
5A 3-7 v 2A 12-1
North Myrtle Beach SC 38 West Brunswick NC 12
4A 12-1 v 3A 4-8
Myrtle Beach SC 51 Charlotte Christian NC 54
4A 7-5 v Private 10-1
Gaffney SC 28 Harding NC 35
5A 9-5 v 4A 14-1
South Pointe SC 25 Shelby NC 0
4A 15-0 v 2A 12-3
Dillon SC 42 Lumberton NC 0
3A 15-0 v 4A 2-9
Chesterfield SC 44 Anson NC 12
2A 9-3 v 3A 4-8
Loris SC 12 South Columbus NC 20
3A 4-7 v 2A 12-2
Buford SC 27 Parkwood NC 24
4A 7-2 v 2A 2-9
Andrew Jackson SC 14 Providence Day NC 19
2A 3-7 v Private 9-3
Green Sea Floyds SC 31 East Columbus NC 0
1A 6-6 v 1A 1-10
Lake View SC 50 South Robeson NC 6
1A 8-3 v 1A 1-10

( Record 15-6 ) ( Scoring 703-352 ) Don't both parties have the option to schedule games?

 

[btango]

Didn't South Pointe defeat Mallard Creek? Hasn't the Shelby fans been begging for a game with Mallard Creek? Last time I checked, there are still only 11 on the field from each team. Shelby's tradition speaks for itself, they my not have the depth but could be dangerous for Mallard Creek.

Mallard Creek has requested a game with Shelby for the last three seasons. Have requested one for the upcoming season. MC has problems filling their schedule. Shelby has shown no interest. Play first week Thursday night. Game would draw over 6,000. Guarantee MC $15k. Great night for everyone.

I don't care who teams play. Wish there was more transparency in the process.

Dutch Fork contracted with Summerville for week one. Good matchup. Good gate. Gabe does not excite me. If they are good enough they will meet in the playoffs.

 

[btango]

( Record 15-6 ) ( Scoring 703-352 ) Don't both parties have the option to schedule games?

The purpose of listing the records of the teams after you boast of the W-L and scoring differential is to show that you cannot really use those games as a realistic gauge of the two states just as the Shrine Bowl blowout is not a good one.

 

[Ball'in]

The Shrine Bowl was one game. Most folks have this notion that their brand is better. We will never know.LOL!

 

[Blue and Gold22]

Mallard Creek has requested a game with Shelby for the last three seasons. Have requested one for the upcoming season. MC has problems filling their schedule. Shelby has shown no interest. Play first week Thursday night. Game would draw over 6,000. Guarantee MC $15k. Great night for everyone.

I don't care who teams play. Wish there was more transparency in the process.

Dutch Fork contracted with Summerville for week one. Good matchup. Good gate. Gabe does not excite me. If they are good enough they will meet in the playoffs.

The problem with the SC schools is they dont like to come north. Creek have played 6 games against SC schools. 5 of them on the road. Only Brynes made the trip north.

 

[Ball'in]

Hear tell there's an elite Harding program just outside Mallard Creek's back door. Schedule them, for some reason when those fellers down south hear the word north they associate it with cold weather. Could that be the reason the Ducks take those trips down south. Last time Scotland crossed the line they couldn't tell the difference. Richmond County went down to Myrtle Beach awhile back and returned with a sun tan. Hey, there's an opponent for week 1, don't get caught without hydration though hear it's pretty warm that time of year.

 

[btango]

Hear tell there's an elite Harding program just outside Mallard Creek's back door. Schedule them, for some reason when those fellers down south hear the word north they associate it with cold weather. Could that be the reason the Ducks take those trips down south. Last time Scotland crossed the line they couldn't tell the difference. Richmond County went down to Myrtle Beach awhile back and returned with a sun tan. Hey, there's an opponent for week 1, don't get caught without hydration though hear it's pretty warm that time of year.

Mallard Creek was Harding's only loss this season.

MB won the state 3A over undefeated Daniel in a nail biter the year Richmond beat them by five TDs. The game was part of a multi game event that is no longer in existence.

 

[Ball'in]

Mallard Creek was Harding's only loss this season.

MB won the state 3A over undefeated Daniel in a nail biter the year Richmond beat them by five TDs. The game was part of a multi game event that is no longer in existence.

Geez, that's ashame only one is called champion. So it's official, the ducks will schedule & eliminate this Harding nonsense week 1 then head down south and show them Myrtle Beach Seahawks who's the better bird.

 

[btango]

Harding and Mallard Creek play later. I believe MC has NC week one and three open.

 

[Ball'in]

N Carolina has definitely overtaken S Carolina in the last several years in terms of depth of top level college prospects (and D1 prospects overall). Of course that should've happened a lot longer ago than it did given the population disparity between the two states.[/QUOTEyou talking about

N Carolina has definitely overtaken S Carolina in the last several years in terms of depth of top level college prospects (and D1 prospects overall). Of course that should've happened a lot longer ago than it did given the population disparity between the two states.

How has that transformed to the instate D1 college level for NC. Right now Clemson SC owns the ACC.

 

[btango]

How has that transformed to the instate D1 college level for NC. Right now Clemson SC owns the ACC.

Now we are discussing college football success? How many players start for Clemson from NC, from SC, from Florida?

SC has two FBS schools. NC has seven FBS schools.

 

[Blue and Gold22]

How has that transformed to the instate D1 college level for NC. Right now Clemson SC owns the ACC.

100% correct. Now...... look at the roster. Fields, Smith, Pollard, Lawrence,Muse. Dabo is raiding NC

 

[Raider7967]

Good point, also what S.C. fails to consider about those victories they had in the Shrine bowls back in those games were alot of N.Carolina's better high profile players were playing in State championships the same weekend the Shrine bowl was being played so no true indicator on who had the better team.

I think NC still had the advantage with about twice the population and twice the schools/talent pool to pull from. You are only talking about a few players that may have played from NC, but there was still a huge gap in numbers in favor for NC. All the best players weren't in the playoffs. Still plenty of great players who's team didn't make it. I think SC was simply ahead in talent development and football was the main sport vs. basketball. SC made it important and it shows in the coaches pay if that is true they pay more.

I think the gap has been closed now. The emergence of some of the high powered teams has really put football first in some areas like Charlotte, for example. We now have powerhouses that can compete and the overall scope is a little more even than it used to be for at least the top 10 teams or so.

 

[btango]

I agree with you Raider but there were some years when some high profile players or numerous players could not play. The biggest loss was probably at QB.

Add to the players that could not play to the normal losses from every year. It adds up. There were at least 11 players this year that were replaced and one or two were injured late in the week and did not play.

 

[Ball'in]

100% correct. Now...... look at the roster. Fields, Smith, Pollard, Lawrence,Muse. Dabo is raiding NC

Doesn't NC have the same recruiting capabilities as everyone else across the country? SMH... Let me reiterate, how has that translated over to NC's major 4 D1 programs. batango stated that NC had 7, shouldn't at least 1 put fourth some form of an effort to compete with those 2 down south. College football analyst boasted that NC State had it's best team in years and were favored against the SC Gamecocks, then they were predicted to upset Clemson. They came away with disappointment. Wasn't there some super player Jaylen Samuels from Mallard Creek who got knocked out by Georgia native Tre Lamar, those Georgia boys know how to play some ball too. Let's not even mention those NC Tar Heels. LOL! Congratulations on the Shrine Bowl win though.

 

[btango]

Doesn't NC have the same recruiting capabilities as everyone else across the country? SMH... Let me reiterate, how has that translated over to NC's major 4 D1 programs. batango stated that NC had 7, shouldn't at least 1 put fourth some form of an effort to compete with those 2 down south. College football analyst boasted that NC State had it's best team in years and were favored against the SC Gamecocks, then they were predicted to upset Clemson. They came away with disappointment. Wasn't there some super player Jaylen Samuels from Mallard Creek who got knocked out by Georgia native Tre Lamar, those Georgia boys know how to play some ball too. Let's not even mention those NC Tar Heels. LOL! Congratulations on the Shrine Bowl win though.

This is for high school football. Although the success of Clemson is impressive and positive for SC and reflects well on their high school football, it is not an exact indicator of the quality of high school football in the state. Does Alabama and Auburn success equate that high school football in Alabama is better than Florida or Georgia or even SC, NC, Mississippi, or Louisiana. Absolutely not! Much like the blowout Shrine Bowl wins for NC two of the last three years or the scores of irrelevant games against mostly non elite teams between the two states that you boastfully posted to substantiate your claim.

Basically the reason you reverted to boasting about Clemson's success is because your posts regarding SC high school football superiority were questioned with facts that you had no answer for. I believe from top to bottom SC football is of slightly better quality than NC. You could call it pound for pound. Further, I think NC, mostly due to numbers, is churning out more elite players. Team wise NC's top teams are in it to win it against the best like sized schools from SC. The state's are much closer than they are apart regardless of Clemson's recent success or UNC's abysmal season.

 

[Blue and Gold22]

Doesn't NC have the same recruiting capabilities as everyone else across the country? SMH... Let me reiterate, how has that translated over to NC's major 4 D1 programs. batango stated that NC had 7, shouldn't at least 1 put fourth some form of an effort to compete with those 2 down south. College football analyst boasted that NC State had it's best team in years and were favored against the SC Gamecocks, then they were predicted to upset Clemson. They came away with disappointment. Wasn't there some super player Jaylen Samuels from Mallard Creek who got knocked out by Georgia native Tre Lamar, those Georgia boys know how to play some ball too. Let's not even mention those NC Tar Heels. LOL! Congratulations on the Shrine Bowl win though.

Oh...I get it. Now your trying to make it about college football. Lol. Might want to check the title of the site.

 

[Ball'in]

Head to Head 6-15, do ya think those schools signed the contracts to just give away a win. Is that the mindset of NC's high school programs? Do ya think 2A Shelby was looking to lose as Mallard Creek did when they scheduled South Pointe? Deana King stated that the Shrine Bowl was a Big Win. It was.

 

[RaiderTitanium]

Ahlers is a fantastic pick for ECU. He has a chance to bring that team back to the forefront of the conference.

 

[btango]

Head to Head 6-15, do ya think those schools signed the contracts to just give away a win. Is that the mindset of NC's high school programs? Do ya think 2A Shelby was looking to lose as Mallard Creek did when they scheduled South Pointe? Deana King stated that the Shrine Bowl was a Big Win. It was.

You are really reaching.

The point of this back and forth has been which state has the "best" high school football which is somewhat of a moving and undefinable target. If Ohio State beats Tennessee and UNC I do not automatically think the Big 10 is a "better" football conference than the SEC or ACC. I am sure you do not either. That is the logic that we have tried to use.

 

[Ball'in]

I thought your pal blue&gold said college football was off limits.

 

[Deana_King]

North Carolina has surpassed South Carolina in football talent in the last few years. It’s just a fact. This year’s Class of 2018 Rivals 250 has 11 NC players in it to SC’s 3.

 

[Ball'in]

Has someone told them folks at USA TODAY that have South Pointe SC #5 in their final season poll, that NC has surpassed them in football talent. http://usatodayhss.com/rankings/expert/boys/football/2017/19

 

[Deana_King]

SC may have the best team in South Pointe in the Carolinas but I would like to have seen a matchup with NC’s best Wake Forest.

I don’t understand your posts. Ask any recruiting expert from Rivals, 247, ESPN and they will say the same thing that NC talent has surpassed SC, especially at the top level.

NC has the two highest rated RB in the country in the Class of 2018 (White) and 2019 (Crouch).

Just trying to get a better understanding of what you are trying to point out. Clemson is good because they recruit nationally. Look on that roster a lot of Georgia and NC kids on their rosters.

 

[Ball'in]

ESPN 300 has it NC 8 SC 5. Clemson currently has 121 players, 48 from SC & 14 from NC on Clemson's roster. Someone should call USA TODAY and tell them that they made a mistake. BTW, Wake Forest NC is #13.

 

[Deana_King]

http://footballscoop.com/news/power-five-recruits-come-matter/