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SOS Is A Good Thing

mrhonda

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I like the fact that SOS was a consideration this year in seeding or the playoffs. A team should be rewarded for being successful against a stronger schedule, The operative word here is "being successful".

This season, Maxpreps was used for seeding purposes and it was a mess, due to teams with lower records getting into the playoffs. There's no reason a 1-10 team or 4-7 or 3-8 should be in the playoffs. You may have the occasional upset, but not usually.

Yet, I like the fact SOS plays a part. Teams shouldn't be rewarded with a cupcake schedule.

Here's my wish list for what I'd like to see. Some won't happen and some could. How likely? I don't know, but it could.

First, at the 4A and 4AA level, I'd like to see east and west eliminated and just line the teams up from top to bottom, regardless of geographics. This, more than likely won't happen.

Second, regarding split conferences, I see where in some instances, they're needed. But, I think a minimum won/loss record of say 5-5 should be instituted before a team makes the playoffs. Could happen.

Third, I like the idea of conference champs getting automatic berths in the playoffs. They should be rewarded. I also like the idea of the top finishers in a conference getting rewarded for a good season. Use conference finish and won/loss record here.

Fourth, all conferences aren't created equal. We saw that last night with North Meck going to Richmond and getting a big win on the road. So, once the playoff participants are determined. SOS should come into play.

Seed the conference champs according to SOS, regardless of record. Though no conference champ should be seeded below an at large team.

For the at large teams, seed according to strength of schedule regardless of record. The minimum won'loss record standard would be in place. If a team goes 11-0 with a weak schedule and a team goes 9-2 with a tougher schedule, the team with 2 losses shouldn't necessarily be penalized. Of course, they'll possibly have two losses playing that tougher schedule, but could very well be 11-0 with that same weaker schedule.

The key to accepting using SOS for seeding regardless of record, is the difference between a poll and rating mentality. A poll mentality says team A is 11-0. They have fewer losses and should be ranked ahead of team B with 2 losses. Not necessarily. It depends on who those 2 losses were against. With a rating mentality, one understands that.

One complaint is non-conference schedules are already in place, some for two years. I understand that. Play those schedules, tweak the system, then when those c ontracts are up, schedule different teams. Of course, this could be easier said than done. Others with more knowledge of the process would need to address this.

But, I'd like to see SOS continue to play a part for playoff seeding.
 
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I agree and like your ideas. The tough part is how to determine the SOS. There will always be bias and subjectivity. My guess is that most folks will always count a Mecklenburg County loss as a "better" loss than a Wake County loss.
 
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Seeding needs to a combination of SOS and record. 6-5 and 11-0 may be equal when those two items are combined but to automatically seed by SOS takes away one important factor, winning!
 
Regarding conference champions from split conferences. If the "champion" of the higher class did not win the overall conference they qualify as at large based on their power ranking. South Caldwell does not qualify. This would be even more important if there are less teams qualifying such as with a six champion playoff.
 
I think there should be no split conferences. I think teams should have to have a winning season record to play in the playoffs.

Great idea! Now...how do ya want to do that. Some schools would have to travel 90 min to 2 hours for conf games. South Caldwell to vance on a Friday. Probably 2+ . Now...you would travel 3 + hours round trip and maybe 100 people in stands.

Of course the split conf suck. Fixing them is harder than you think.
 
Great idea! Now...how do ya want to do that. Some schools would have to travel 90 min to 2 hours for conf games. South Caldwell to vance on a Friday. Probably 2+ . Now...you would travel 3 + hours round trip and maybe 100 people in stands.

Of course the split conf suck. Fixing them is harder than you think.

buy a better bus? lol
 
I like many of your ideas but I'd like to add that conferences be no larger than 8 teams. When some conferences now have 10 so you only have 2 non-conference games to schedule the other 9 games set for you.
 
buy a better bus? lol

No one really like the split conferences but they a necessary evil. Not do much a football issue but non football sports especially winter sports would be very hard logistically on the schools and athletes.

It is not the bus but geography and population bases. Better education on the subject is always a good thing.
 
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I think a common sense minimum win # eliminates some of this mess but lets be clear. No matter what you do there would be an outcry and some level. Look at NCAA....everyone screamed for a playoff. Now they want to add more teams. There is no perfect system
 
I think a common sense minimum win # eliminates some of this mess but lets be clear. No matter what you do there would be an outcry and some level. Look at NCAA....everyone screamed for a playoff. Now they want to add more teams. There is no perfect system

agreed, business 101 - I don't care how good of service or product you put out, at least 1% will not be happy.
 
What I don't understand about the split conference is the 4A team should never get the benefit of the #1 seed if they cant win the conference. I can see the 3A team getting a 1 seed for being the top finishing 3A team, but if 4A teams cant beat the rest of the 3A teams, no way do they deserve a #1 seed. if they cant finish in the top 2 in the conference, they should not get an automatic bid. With that simple rule, South Caldwell is at home as the should be.
 
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