RPI
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Buzz, I know you coach, what’s your thoughts. Personally I think a conference championship is worth something.
Right now, in 3A basketball Crest is #1 in RPI, but second place in their conference to Ashbrook. If winning the conference doesn't count, then let's just do away with them and let teams arrange their own schedules.
Me to and if you win your conference in a weak league it punishes you. If you play in a tough conf. it will help you. Example now if you are an 8 seed rpi you could wind up as low as a 17 seed or lower after seeding all conf champs and RPIs ahead of you. I like doing it all by RPI bc Conf we going into for my sport is going to be tough!
What if it was something like:
- If you win your conference, you are have auto bid into playoffs.
- Fill in all remaining sports by RPI.
- Seed based on RPI; however, you cannot leapfrog your conference champ in playoff seedings.
- So if Ashbrook is conference champ, but Crest is ranked higher in RPI, Crest would then be seeded behind Ashbrook.
I am not familiar with the other classes, but in 1A what you described is basically not possible. For a team to move from an 8th seed to a 17 seed would require that it be passed by 9 conference champions that are lower than an 8th seed . The numbers don't work for this to happen.
I would like to see a variation of this: all conference champions are seeded first. However, if you champion doesn't win a game in any two year period then they conference will have its champion seeded by RPI. When the conference champ wins a game then the following year the conference winner will again be seeded with the other champions. This way the higher seed is earned not given. Is it a perfect system, no, but what is?
Don't like that because you would essentially be punishing kids for previous players, coaches and possibly other teams. Lets say that Robbinsville wins conference two years in a row but loses in the first round (so SMC would then have to be seeded by RPI instead of conference champs), but Murphy has a really strong group of underclassman come in. They go 10-0, win conference and have the highest RPI in all of their classification. However, because Robbinsville lost the last two years they are now seeded with the other at large teams?!
Also, what happens on realignment years when teams may switch conferences?
P.S. Before anyone comes at me for using Robbinsville and Murphy and they would never lose, I believe recycled is a SMC guy. I could have used MA and Starmount, or "Insert whatever two teams you want from your own conference or most hated", I don't care.
11 conferences in 2A west and several teams can be a lower rpi that won their conference.
Hiwassee Dam would be the correct team to insert into that scenario. Each year when the brackets come out, coaches are fist bumping when as 23rd or 24th seed and they get matched up with the LSM conference champion.
He's the cheer coach. Heard he's adding a dance team next year. Maybe under water basket weaving.
It’s real that the way things set up now, it’s mad hard for an 8th seed to jump up to 17th without some major tweaks to how they rank teams after the playoffs. You hit the nail on the head talkin bout how conference champs get ranked by their whole game, not just their conference win. Your idea of puttin all conference champs at the top, but switchin their spots based on how they play over two years? That’s some clever stuff. It keeps ‘em accountable and makes sure them higher seeds actually earn their spot instead of just snaggin it from a title that don’t show what they can do now. Like, we seen teams runnin their conferences but folding hard in the tournament, which breeds mismatches and weak games. If we go with a performance-based system, it could push conferences to make it more competitive, and that’ll up the whole tournament’s game.
You don't control the conference you are put into the state does but if you win your conference you should definitely be rewarded for it.
How is all these new split conferences going to affect the RPI , screw it up ? I did not like or understand the RPI before and will probably like it less in the coming years.
The RPI formula needs to be adjusted, with higher emphasis on winning percentage and opponent's winning percentage.
Currently it's 30% win percentage, 40% opponent's, 30% opponent's, opponent's winning percentage. What would be your ideal percentages?
60 percent winning percentage, 40 percent opponents winning percentage. Some kind of something accounting for margin of victory up to the mercy/running clock rule for that sport.
While opponents winning percentage should matter, it shouldnt count more that your own. Opponents opponents winning percentage shouldnt count at all. You have no control over who your opponents schedule or play.
While opponents winning percentage should matter, it shouldnt count more that your own. Opponents opponents winning percentage shouldnt count at all. You have no control over who your opponents schedule or play.
I think the goal of opponent's winning percentage and oowp is to level out the "strength of schedule". If it was so top heavy on winning percentage what would keep teams from playing a mediocre schedule?
For example (and yes I know they couldn't help who was already on the schedule) two years ago Mount Airy played a soft schedule. Not a single competitive game I believe. They went 10-0 but had to travel to Robbinsville even though they went 9-1 i believe. However their only loss was to a really good private school team. With the given schools that Mount Airy plays on a regular basis, they would normally always be a top seeded team. Again, not their fault as other local schools normally aren't beating them (with the exception of a couple years). While SMC conference champ may have a loss against a really good team/private school team, they would never get to be seeded above Mount Airy.
I definitely agree that RPI formula can be improved, just not sure the best answer.
55% winning percentage, 35% opponent's winning percentage, 10 % opponent's opponent's winning percentage.
But even with that, if you are the highest RPI for a 2nd place team then you get the 12th seed not 17th or lower.
