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Purple Pretenders Pity Party

sasha_nc

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Big South posters, you are cordially invited to the Purple Pretenders Pity Party aka the Stuart Cramer "I didn't get picked" Crying Fest. According to a report by the Gaston Gazette, the coach for the Storm (who finished 5-6 overall, 2-5) was disappointed that the team missed the playoffs.

Coach Ben McMillan is quoted as saying,
“In my opinion Huss should not have been in consideration because they didn’t have enough wins to qualify. Then it would have been between us and Lake Norman Charter, we would have gotten the 2A top seed hosting a game.”

Excuse me, but the playing rules are the same for us all. There were other 5-5/5-6 teams that had better conference records but did not make the 2A brackets. Draughn and East Rutherford had better conference records (3-5) and are sitting at home. Maybe Huss didn't deserve consideration, but based on their finish neither did Cramer.

He also bemoaned that his team was a little bitty 2A school playing in a split conference with a majority of big boys from the 3A division and that it created a 'competitive' disadvantage. Again, please refer to the previous referenced Draughn and East Rutherford who compete in the SMAC which has 3 3A teams and 6 2A teams. While there are 5 3A teams and 3 2A teams in the Big South, this year's ADMs give lie to being disadvantaged.

Ashbrook.......................1413
Forestview.....................1186
North Gaston.................1109

Hunter Huss...................1104
Stuart Cramer................1035

South Point.....................1021
East Gaston....................974

Lake Norman Charter.....805

Stuart Cramer failed to beat the two schools who are the #1 and #2 seeds from the 3A division and ironically have smaller enrollments than they do. Also, South Point (392 difference) and Lake Norman Charter (608 difference) both defeated Ashbrook. In the SMAC, last Friday night 2A Shelby with an ADM of 840 gave 3A Crest (1288) all they could have wanted in their match. Obviously, someone doesn't understand the saying, "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog."

Furthermore, Stuart Cramer had its opportunities to make the playoffs. They went into the Huss game with the advantage, knowing that a victory would assure them of a 6-win season and a playoff berth, and failed to capitalize upon it. Had they beaten 2A R-S Central in their non-conference match earlier in the season, the Hilltoppers (the 64th team in) would be playing basketball next week instead of the Storm. Only later in his comments does he admit this:

“If we beat Huss a few weeks ago we wouldn’t be talking about this now. But it’s still kind of disappointing to be in this position,” McMillan said.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I think I will decline the invitation. :rolleyes:
 
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I am very proud to be on the sidelines of the team that knocked their @$$ out of the playoffs to the tune of 56 - 0. For goodness sakes, if you think you are good enough to make the playoffs, you should at least be good enough to score at least one point against a playoff team on the night you have to have a win to get in.

Let's all chip in and get the Purple Pretenders a nice participation trophy. Nah, on second thought, they didn't even earn that.
 
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:( I can't go if it's Friday night. ;)

Well then, just mail your check to the Burger King at the Cramerton Crossroads. That's where the Purple Pretenders post season party will be held. A $25 donation will feed 6 Purple Pretenders featuring the kid meals with milk and apple rings. Leave no Pretender behind!
 
Not to nitpick but ain't East Rutherford playing Reidsville next Friday?
 
Not to nitpick but ain't East Rutherford playing Reidsville next Friday?

Could be. I didn't look at the final 2A brackets closely but was going off the predictions that between RS Central, East Rutherford, and Draughn only one would get in. It could be that when Goldsboro opted out that ER was able to slip in as well.
 
Draughn had been projected all along and East had been left out, even though East beat Draughn. If you make the play-offs and are tied with the same record and you finish "tied" in the conference, you get to share the seeds....head to head doesn't mean anything. If you're the last teams in the play-offs with the same scenario, then head to head is taken into account....It's just a part of that perfect formula the NCHSAA has come up with.
 
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Stuart Cramer has made big progress. They have the best field and stadium in Gaston County. I got a feeling they will be highly competitive in a few years. I have already seen huge gains in their wrestling team. They were pathetic the first two years. It's coming.
 
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I don't understand the hatred by the SP fans either. Cramer hasn't been around long enough to have a real rivalry with SP. Only thing I can think of is the SP fans fear that they will continue to lose athletes to the shiny new school and eventually have to merge with them closing South Point as was originally planned. And still will probably happen.
 
I don't understand the hatred by the SP fans either. Cramer hasn't been around long enough to have a real rivalry with SP. Only thing I can think of is the SP fans fear that they will continue to lose athletes to the shiny new school and eventually have to merge with them closing South Point as was originally planned. And still will probably happen.

Had Cramer made it in on the basis of their record, I wouldn't have posted anything, negative or positive. It was the sense of entitlement I picked up in the article that set me off. However, I suppose you think Stuart Cramer should have gotten a playoff slot and that the rules, which have been modified this year to keep subpar teams out of playoffs after years of complaints, should have been bent even further to accommodate them over Draughn.

As for the general animosity, a significant portion of it comes down to politics. When Cleveland County BOE builds a school right between Shelby, Burns and Crest (say near 18 and 180) where it's NOT needed, you will understand. A new high school was supposed to be built to relieve overcrowding at East Gaston whose numbers were approaching 1600, not with the intention of closing South Point. Instead of building it between Mount Holly, Stanley and Lucia (along Hwy 16) where there was more room for future growth, political shenanigans put it smack dab in between four existing schools. It is not just South Point posters who are not happy about this - ask egfan and TarheelWarrior how they feel.

Just for reference, here is the distance between the various schools

SP - SC..............3 mi
SP - AB..............7.5 mi
SP - FV...............9 mi
SP - EG..............8.5 mi

AB - SC..............5 mi
AB - EG............10 mi
AB - FV.............. 7 mi

FV - SC.............8 mi
FV - EG............14 mi

EG- SC............7 mi

Cleveland County clown comments (whether serious or in jest), concerning the future demise of South Point does not engender feelings of affection for Cramer either. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that one of you sent photos from the EG-SP game to the guy in Mecklenburg County who wrote the Gaston County school board complaining about our schools' mascots being derogatory to Native Americans.
 
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LOL! They'll soon be you, or you will be them. How long? Not long! Enjoy making fun of the
Stuart Cramer has made big progress. They have the best field and stadium in Gaston County. I got a feeling they will be highly competitive in a few years. I have already seen huge gains in their wrestling team. They were pathetic the first two years. It's coming.
Yep, and you know what they say about pay-back......
 
I am just so happy that all you outside cramper folks who don't even live near this area are now experts at what is going on here. Clueless. You can have your uneducated opinion and you are welcome to it. Opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one, but in Cleveland County they are bigger than anyone else's.
 
I am just so happy that all you outside cramper folks who don't even live near this area are now experts at what is going on here. Clueless. You can have your uneducated opinion and you are welcome to it. Opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one, but in Cleveland County they are bigger than anyone else's.
Still, it's coming... Piss and moan all you want. The end is near!
 
As for the general animosity, a significant portion of it comes down to politics. When Cleveland County BOE builds a school right between Shelby, Burns and Crest (say near 18 and 180) where it's NOT needed, you will understand. A new high school was supposed to be built to relieve overcrowding at East Gaston whose numbers were approaching 1600, not with the intention of closing South Point. Instead of building it between Mount Holly, Stanley and Lucia (along Hwy 16) where there was more room for future growth, political shenanigans put it smack dab in between four existing schools. It is not just South Point posters who are not happy about this - ask egfan and TarheelWarrior how they feel.
Not here to hate on Cramer or SP for that matter but I can justify the frustration in this area. The hate for me is not with SC, it's with the BOE and whoever made the decision to put the school where they did. It was all about politics and money. They found this piece of land on the cheap and said let's put a school right here and we'll make it work somehow. The school IS NOT properly geographically placed to serve the need that it was built for. I can't find it right off but if I were able to post the attendance zone for SC, it would be the most ridiculous thing you would ever see. It goes out northeast from Cramerton like a finger wrapping around the other side of EG. Students from NE Mt. Holly basically have to drive past the close vicinity of two high schools (SP and EG) to get to SC because of how the zone is drawn.
 
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The land was not cheap at all. If memory serves correctly, they paid about twice the price for it that a land developer had recently bought it for but was going under because of the housing crisis.

As I already stated on another post:

This was an under the table decision by corrupt politicians and school board members. Bailed out a land developer who had declared bankruptcy and voila, now he is a millionaire. How convenient. The net result: spending millions of tax dollars on a new high school the county didn't need and as a bonus, locating it in an area where it was the least needed of all. Good old GovCo.
 
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Doesn't really matter. South point will go 2AA and be a dominate team. There will be a lot of 2A coaches butthole drawn up like they are bent over for a prostrate exam. If South Point remains about the same in talent and coaching they will stampede the classification. It would be perfect for Shelby and SP to be put in the conference and schedule that game the last week.
 
Not here to hate on Cramer or SP for that matter but I can justify the frustration in this area. The hate for me is not with SC, it's with the BOE and whoever made the decision to put the school where they did. It was all about politics and money. They found this piece of land on the cheap and said let's put a school right here and we'll make it work somehow. The school IS NOT properly geographically placed to serve the need that it was built for. I can't find it right off but if I were able to post the attendance zone for SC, it would be the most ridiculous thing you would ever see. It goes out northeast from Cramerton like a finger wrapping around the other side of EG. Students from NE Mt. Holly basically have to drive past the close vicinity of two high schools (SP and EG) to get to SC because of how the zone is drawn.
TW I agree. The BOE had an agenda when they elected to put SC on Lakewood. The Gaston County BOE received strong support to build the school at Lakewood from Cleveland County. Word has it that a school from Cleveland County funded part of the construction cost for SC donating money from their recruiting budget. I don't know who ponied up those funds. I guess just a school horsing around.
 
The land was not cheap at all. If memory serves correctly, they paid about twice the price for it that a land developer had recently bought it for but was going under because of the housing crisis.

As I already stated on another post:

This was an under the table decision by corrupt politicians and school board members. Bailed out a land developer who had declared bankruptcy and voila, now he is a millionaire. How convenient. The net result: spending millions of tax dollars on a new high school the county didn't need and as a bonus, locating it in an area where it was the least needed of all. Good old GovCo.
You're exactly right... I do recall some of those details you described now.
 
TW I agree. The BOE had an agenda when they elected to put SC on Lakewood. The Gaston County BOE received strong support to build the school at Lakewood from Cleveland County. Word has it that a school from Cleveland County funded part of the construction cost for SC donating money from their recruiting budget. I don't know who ponied up those funds. I guess just a school horsing around.
You'll still be an ugly prick in purple, Ray..

It's OVER!
 
The land was not cheap at all. If memory serves correctly, they paid about twice the price for it that a land developer had recently bought it for but was going under because of the housing crisis.

As I already stated on another post:

This was an under the table decision by corrupt politicians and school board members. Bailed out a land developer who had declared bankruptcy and voila, now he is a millionaire. How convenient. The net result: spending millions of tax dollars on a new high school the county didn't need and as a bonus, locating it in an area where it was the least needed of all. Good old GovCo.
I heard when the land originally sold (the old golf course) it fetched $1.1 million, I'm pretty sure what the BOE paid for it (when they bought it from the developer) was much more.
 
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Doesn't really matter. South point will go 2AA and be a dominate team. There will be a lot of 2A coaches butthole drawn up like they are bent over for a prostrate exam. If South Point remains about the same in talent and coaching they will stampede the classification. It would be perfect for Shelby and SP to be put in the conference and schedule that game the last week.

You are correct here. My personal preference is to stay in 3A because that is our history. However, if gerrymandered attendance lines dictate that we are 2A, so be it. The trophy for a 2A state champion is the same size as a 3A trophy. Either one blends in very nicely with our previous ones.
 
You are correct here. My personal preference is to stay in 3A because that is our history. However, if gerrymandered attendance lines dictate that we are 2A, so be it. The trophy for a 2A state champion is the same size as a 3A trophy. Either one blends in very nicely with our previous ones.

Anyone know if we will petition to go up a classification? The numerical break between 3A and 2A is not that significant from what we have - less than 30 students.
 
Oh yea, It's OVER!


Rulz, what you and your merry band of misfits don't understand is that building in and around SPHS is about to explode. South Point road may soon be a 4 lane, and as we experience 2a, we may end up having 3aa numbers while competing in that classification. SC was a corrupt boondoggle!
 
I heard when the land originally sold (the old golf course) it fetched $1.1 million, I'm pretty sure what the BOE paid for it (when they bought it from the developer) was much more.
Anyone know if we will petition to go up a classification? The numerical break between 3A and 2A is not that significant from what we have - less than 30 students.
I doubt there would be any desire to play up by EG, SP or SC. Just my opinion. I don't think the NCPREPS posters get votes.
 
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If SP is 2AA and is in a split 2A/3A conference as they are now, it wouldn't really matter. They would still be playing the same teams in conference.

The issue would be if Crest, Burns and KM come over to form a "new" Big South 3A, and South Point ended up getting lumped into a weak 2A conference where they beat everyone except Shelby (potential reality).
 
I doubt there would be any desire to play up by EG, SP or SC. Just my opinion. I don't think the NCPREPS posters get votes.

I wouldn't have expected EG or SC to want to do so. EG's numbers are decidedly 2A numbers. Cramer's are borderline but probably just below the cutoff. However, if the CC clown comments are to be believed, the BOE will be redrawing the district lines to include the area 500 feet south and west of South Point into the Cramer district by January, sub rosa, of course. Then they will come after what is left of EG.
 
If SP is 2AA and is in a split 2A/3A conference as they are now, it wouldn't really matter. They would still be playing the same teams in conference.

The issue would be if Crest, Burns and KM come over to form a "new" Big South 3A, and South Point ended up getting lumped into a weak 2A conference where they beat everyone except Shelby (potential reality).

SP, SC and EG would probably be thrown in the Lincoln County teams (L-town, EL, NL, WL). The question is whether they would bring Shelby in or leave them with their current Rutherford County cousins. If Shelby doesn't come in, Lake Norman Charter will probably be brought in.
 
Ok after careful consideration and a severe threat on Facebook, I must apologize for my actions.... It wont happen again....

I shant take another shot at the SP with a Cramer reference... Ive learned my lesson :)
 
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Have any of you seen the school? Cleveland County folks should drive down 74 to the Burger King in Crameton for a sandwich and head on and take the drive 3/4 around the roundabout to SC and just look. School is a palace. The football field is great with the field turf and unlike the previous newest school in GC, they have visitor restrooms. But the real kicker is the auditorium. Just Google it and see. Kids interested in theatre are transferring to SC.
 
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