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Private School Advantages vs Public.

REWhitley

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This year it was Private/Charter Corvain Community that made waves in just its 3rd year of football. A few years ago it was Pine Lake Prep and Mountain Island Charter. Congratulations to them.

I just looked at the Charlotte Observers Statewide Top 10 in BASKETBALL, for each classification.
NO privates in top 10 of Public 4A, 3A Boys, or Girls in 4A through 1A.
Public 2A Boys has 1, Pine Lake Prep at #5.

But, wait for it, wait for it,,,, But in Public 1A Boys 6 of Top 7 are..... 1,2 and 3 are.... Private/Charter whatever you want to call them. And Corvian has just started playing basketball (last years runner up to State Champ Wilson Prep) that returns most of their last year's starters.

Sure am glad those Private/Charters do not recruit/select with in their 25 mile radius or they would most likely have the remaining 4 spots in the Top 10 1A .
I guess it is just easier to Not Recruit/Select in Basketball than it is in Football. But it is coming, I guess, in football as it is in already here in Basketball and Soccer.

And then there is last years Baseball for the 2nd year in a row, State Championship team, Uwharrie Chapter. No recruiting. None at all. I am positive. But my goodness I am not sure how a "small" private/charter outside Asheboro gets that many D1/D2 players including an (reported) 18 year old Sophomore pitcher/short stop that was absolutely lights out good.

Mount Airy did win one of 3 in the Championship Series because Mt Airy had the 1A Pitcher of the Year and College Scholarship player. Won 1-0 with a 1 hit shutout (I believe the one hit is correct), but they absolutely kicked our butt the other two games. Congratulations to them and their NOT RECRUITED Team of all stars.

I am not opposed to either private or charter schools. It is just the unfairness in the way they are set up, the advantages they are given by the money grubbing, profit seeking, on the take right wing legislators that are doing all they can to hurt, if not destroy, public education for the masses (that is all the rest of us).

Sports is just the way the advantages are showing up most often and most clearly at the current time.

More and more the disadvantages are showing up through the criminal cases that eventually hit the newspapers with the disappearance of money, or the various other wrong doing gets reported. The "schools" that do not actually teach, or the hiring of completely unqualified teachers or administrators. Certainly not in all the private/charters schools. But way to often is it happening and the individuals (mostly the students) that are hurt and damaged have almost no recourse.

Sometimes it (the problem) is a long time in coming to light, primarily because there is very little oversight or safeguards legislated. Of course it is not present in every case, but over time, more and more things come to light. Unfortunately the damage done can not be undone when it does happen.

Before any one jumps to high and mighty, I got my Associates degree from a private, non-secular junior college, a secular 4 year university for my undergraduate degree and a state supported public university for my Masters degree. I value my time, and association, at each one of these institutions. Every single day that I was a college student I was also a full time employee somewhere. I paid my way through school. My education was not given to me, not provided to me. It was earned by me, both in the classroom and the work place.

I am not bragging or complaining. Just explaining where I come from in my value system. I have always admired what the Catholic Church has done with its efforts in offering and making available an education option, not limited to just its members. My understanding it was through their on funds and tuitions paid by the students' parents. Not public funds.

But the political desire to destroy public education, the desire to turn public education into a profit opportunity first and foremost, the desire to return to the good old days of segregation, be it race based or economic based, or religious based, is just down right anti-American to me. And it is wrong, plane and simple, to use public tax money for these purposes.

The playing field needs to be flat, and fair, whether it is the classroom or the athletic field. No more, No less.

Have a nice day and enjoy the holidays in front of us.
 
Y'know, them public schools holdin' it down in a lotta ways, but them private and charter schools really snaggin' the benefits in 1A. It's wild that 6 outta the top 7 teams be private/charter, makin' folks wonder 'bout how they recruitin' and if it’s fair play. Ain't no shortage of stories 'bout scandals and mess-ups in them schools, and nobody really checkin' 'em like they do with public schools. This ain’t just messin' with the education quality, it can hit hard on them kids too, who ain't always gettin' the help and stuff they need.
 
IF you want change, start with the coaches, then the AD, the principal, superintendent, and school board. Hae a unified plan and get other schools, districts, and counties onboard. Next, is NCHSAA board member that represents you, the Director, the state rep and state senator. Have a campaign with a specific complaint(s) and what should be done to correct it.
 
This year it was Private/Charter Corvain Community that made waves in just its 3rd year of football. A few years ago it was Pine Lake Prep and Mountain Island Charter. Congratulations to them.

I just looked at the Charlotte Observers Statewide Top 10 in BASKETBALL, for each classification.
NO privates in top 10 of Public 4A, 3A Boys, or Girls in 4A through 1A.
Public 2A Boys has 1, Pine Lake Prep at #5.

But, wait for it, wait for it,,,, But in Public 1A Boys 6 of Top 7 are..... 1,2 and 3 are.... Private/Charter whatever you want to call them. And Corvian has just started playing basketball (last years runner up to State Champ Wilson Prep) that returns most of their last year's starters.

Sure am glad those Private/Charters do not recruit/select with in their 25 mile radius or they would most likely have the remaining 4 spots in the Top 10 1A .
I guess it is just easier to Not Recruit/Select in Basketball than it is in Football. But it is coming, I guess, in football as it is in already here in Basketball and Soccer.

And then there is last years Baseball for the 2nd year in a row, State Championship team, Uwharrie Chapter. No recruiting. None at all. I am positive. But my goodness I am not sure how a "small" private/charter outside Asheboro gets that many D1/D2 players including an (reported) 18 year old Sophomore pitcher/short stop that was absolutely lights out good.

Mount Airy did win one of 3 in the Championship Series because Mt Airy had the 1A Pitcher of the Year and College Scholarship player. Won 1-0 with a 1 hit shutout (I believe the one hit is correct), but they absolutely kicked our butt the other two games. Congratulations to them and their NOT RECRUITED Team of all stars.

I am not opposed to either private or charter schools. It is just the unfairness in the way they are set up, the advantages they are given by the money grubbing, profit seeking, on the take right wing legislators that are doing all they can to hurt, if not destroy, public education for the masses (that is all the rest of us).

Sports is just the way the advantages are showing up most often and most clearly at the current time.

More and more the disadvantages are showing up through the criminal cases that eventually hit the newspapers with the disappearance of money, or the various other wrong doing gets reported. The "schools" that do not actually teach, or the hiring of completely unqualified teachers or administrators. Certainly not in all the private/charters schools. But way to often is it happening and the individuals (mostly the students) that are hurt and damaged have almost no recourse.

Sometimes it (the problem) is a long time in coming to light, primarily because there is very little oversight or safeguards legislated. Of course it is not present in every case, but over time, more and more things come to light. Unfortunately the damage done can not be undone when it does happen.

Before any one jumps to high and mighty, I got my Associates degree from a private, non-secular junior college, a secular 4 year university for my undergraduate degree and a state supported public university for my Masters degree. I value my time, and association, at each one of these institutions. Every single day that I was a college student I was also a full time employee somewhere. I paid my way through school. My education was not given to me, not provided to me. It was earned by me, both in the classroom and the work place.

I am not bragging or complaining. Just explaining where I come from in my value system. I have always admired what the Catholic Church has done with its efforts in offering and making available an education option, not limited to just its members. My understanding it was through their on funds and tuitions paid by the students' parents. Not public funds.

But the political desire to destroy public education, the desire to turn public education into a profit opportunity first and foremost, the desire to return to the good old days of segregation, be it race based or economic based, or religious based, is just down right anti-American to me. And it is wrong, plane and simple, to use public tax money for these purposes.

The playing field needs to be flat, and fair, whether it is the classroom or the athletic field. No more, No less.

Have a nice day and enjoy the holidays in front of us.
I’m not one to make a big deal out of this but it’s obvious Charters have advantages over smaller schools. Just using Corvian as an example….

What are the odds that a brand new program makes it to a state championship in its first 3 years of existence - not too mention 2 programs from the same school.

In basketball I just think about all of the great athletes Tarboro has had thru the years and I’m not sure Tarboro has ever made it to a state championship in basketball. But Wilson prep and Corvian are competing for titles within the first 3 years of existence organically? I don’t buy it.
 
Stop stop stop!!! The Republican controlled NC state legislature LOVES charter public schools. The Republican controlled state legislature LOVES the idea of vouchers for private school parents and students. The Republican controlled state legislature doesn’t give two shits about high school athletics… this started 15 years ago when we kept trying to tell you what was coming.
 
The Corvian football had talent but I give the coaching staff more credit than the players to get to championship game. If Corvian had the coaching staffs from some of the Forsyth , High Point or Thomasville schools they are 500 team
 
Stop stop stop!!! The Republican controlled NC state legislature LOVES charter public schools. The Republican controlled state legislature LOVES the idea of vouchers for private school parents and students. The Republican controlled state legislature doesn’t give two shits about high school athletics… this started 15 years ago when we kept trying to tell you what was coming.
The Democrat gov couldnt veto it
 
Stop stop stop!!! The Republican controlled NC state legislature LOVES charter public schools. The Republican controlled state legislature LOVES the idea of vouchers for private school parents and students. The Republican controlled state legislature doesn’t give two shits about high school athletics… this started 15 years ago when we kept trying to tell you what was coming.
I posted here around 2004 or 2005 when posters were complaining about Charlotte Catholic that there was an elephant in the corner and its name is “charter schools.” Wrote it would flip the field for high school sports in BC if not governed properly.
 
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4a west same 4 teams play each year to see who wins championship. All have portal players and not many complaints. Not much difference from charters in 1a
I think that’s what appvol is saying in above post. Those multiple school systems lines get real blurry.
 
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I posted here around 2004 or 2005 when posters were complaining about Charlotte Catholic that there was an elephant in the corner and its name is “charter schools.” Wrote it would flip the field for high school sports in BC if not governed properly.
Yes you did, multiple times over and over. Once the legislature lifted the cap on the number of charters allowed in the state there was no going back. Not the fault of the NCHSAA or the parochials or the charters themselves.. ITS PURELY POLITICAL!!!
 
But nobody seems to care that a county kid can pay a tuition and go to the city school if the county has a city school
I have always stated that charters, parochials, and district schools that allow students from outside the district to play sports should all be in the same category. A student of a full time teacher at the school would be allowed to play with no consequences but that would be it. There would be a few other minor caveats but it would be very regulated by the NCHSAA not the local rules or decision makers.
 
I just don't understand why the powers that be can't see how unfair it is. But then again, North Carolina's private school state champion is a school located in Georgia, so I don't see any common sense coming down any time soon.
 
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I just don't understand why the powers that be can't see how unfair it is. But then again, North Carolina's private school state champion is a school located in Georgia, so I don't see any common sense coming down any time soon.
Watched a small public play a charter tonight and the charter has kids from Davidson County, Forsyth County, Guilford County and other public school districts. It was a complete blowout and not even close from the start. Charters should not be in the public leagues in sports and should be by themselves for league play and playoffs. If a public chooses to playt them during the season that is fine, but come playoffs they need to play amongst themselves.
 
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