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North Davidson vs West Davidson

BlackKnightNut

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Ok, so I know this game isn't going to get much attention. But being a former Tyro coach, I'll be going to the game to see if Coach Howard is there. My endorsement: West should hire Joe Howard from the middle school. He knows football, and he has a history of doing more with less than anyone else.

As for the game itself, I hope nobody on either side gets hurt.
 
North will be collecting items for Hurricane Relief on Thursday night at the home JV football game. Heard a good amount was donated so far...hope they get a large amount of donations on Thursday evening. West Davidson and North Davidson fans should pass the information along to their fellow fans!
 
BKN, I'm off on the exact numbers here, but thinking the WD/ND series is something along the line of 0-40ish on the varsity level, now there have been some close calls for North, I have to admit I was involved in one of those in the 92-93 season, it took OT for us to win, but held the record intact!, lol. Pretty surprising stat when you think about the players West has had go through....
 
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I was at that game and the Dragons had a really good football team that year. The Knights were very lucky to escape Tyro with a win that night.

Some more trivia: After the win vs. East Davidson a couple weeks ago, the Knights are 30-0 vs. the Golden Eagles.
 
I think it is 39-0 in favor of North in this series. The Central Carolina Conference website has it as 37-2, but that’s absolutely wrong.

I think the current staff stays in place until the head coach’s kid graduates. After that, they need to put him out to pasture. He isn’t winning games, and really hasn’t won anywhere he’s been. Offensive scheme is sluggish and unimaginative.
 
I think it is 39-0 in favor of North in this series. The Central Carolina Conference website has it as 37-2, but that’s absolutely wrong.

I think the current staff stays in place until the head coach’s kid graduates. After that, they need to put him out to pasture. He isn’t winning games, and really hasn’t won anywhere he’s been. Offensive scheme is sluggish and unimaginative.


Honestly West Davidson is lucky to have Lingerfelt. He is highly respected in the Davidson County coaching circle. It is sad how we view a coach’s value only by wins and losses. I would killed for my son to have had the opportunity to play for someone that has Lingerfelt's integrity. If and when Lingerfelt decides to retire it will be a huge loss for high school football.

Great Coach, Great man!
 
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Hmmm... I've heard that song and dance before. Lingerfelt is a good man and runs a clean program. Problem is, it's possible to run a clean program and win games. Or evolve and change your scheme. Great man, average coach who looks for moral victories. Jmo.
 
I think he is a pretty good guy. He is well respected, and has even served as a coach in the East West game about a decade ago.

I know that the coaches that preceded him at West were also thought of pretty highly as well. West has never been world beaters, not will they ever be, but they should not be competing with South Davidson for the worst team in the county year after year.

I won’t be at the north vs West game on Friday night, but I am curious as to what kind of crowd West draws on a weekly basis. When Coach Lingerfelt was the Coach at East (minus one conference championship season), the crowds were good. Up until halftime when lots of people left after seeing the band perform.
 
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Hmmm... I've heard that song and dance before. Lingerfelt is a good man and runs a clean program. Problem is, it's possible to run a clean program and win games. Or evolve and change your scheme. Great man, average coach who looks for moral victories. Jmo.

I agree. Every article I’ve read in The Dispatch is chock full of moral victory type statements, many times after a very lop sided loss.
 
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Correct to a point. Barry Mitchum (spelling?) got the Dragons started in the 1A YVC and made them respectable, though with no wins against Tville and Albemarle. When West rose to 2A they were able to compete and won a CCC title after Barnes inherited the team from Mitchum. The bottom fell out rapidly after that.
 
Well I was going tonight but a family members birthday party got moved so I'll be at Kanes and Walkers instead. Keep me updated haha.
 
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Per the Disgrace:

West fell to 1-5 overall and 0-4 in the conference. The Dragons were clearly in over their heads on both sides of the ball but coach Bryan Lingerfelt could still point to positives, such as only giving up one touchdown in the second half.

“Real proud of our kids’ effort,” Lingerfelt said. “I thought we were better tonight than last week. That’s what we’ve got to keep doing.”

Awesome you gave up one TD so you got a running clock and substitutes came in. SMDH...
 
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From the Knight side, sounds like we are still getting dumb penalties. 11 flags? Gotta clean that up for playoffs. And for Ledford, because their defense sounds legit and you can't score against good defenses with continuous penalties. On our defensive perspective, that's the only reason Ledford even scored last year was because of penalties. Gotta get it corrected!
 
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Lingerfelt is a quality guy, but he’s not a great football coach. He sets very low expectations for the kids, hypes up moral victories, but nothing that translates to W’s
 
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Also, how can he say the following:

“Real proud of our kids’ effort,” Lingerfelt said. “I thought we were better tonight than last week. That’s what we’ve got to keep doing.”

They lost to ED the week before 14-10 and then ND blows them out 42-0 which would have probably been more but a running clock was most likely the reason that they only scored 1 TD in 2nd half, not the fact that they played better defense.
 
Why on earth would any Coach set low expectations and hype up so many moral victories?

No good coach does that. But for whatever reason, East and West Davidson for example continue to be OK with coaches who sell them on the aww shucks low expectations and anything above that is a home run. Simply put, if the community itself is Ok with that then great, but not sure that’s the case. The youth teams compete fairly well in county, but come high school time, it’s ass whippings most every week.
 
No good coach does that. But for whatever reason, East and West Davidson for example continue to be OK with coaches who sell them on the aww shucks low expectations and anything above that is a home run. Simply put, if the community itself is Ok with that then great, but not sure that’s the case. The youth teams compete fairly well in county, but come high school time, it’s ass whippings most every week.

I will say this about East Davidson, they could easily be 3-3 right now. Part of their problem is coaching and part of it is turnovers, mental mistakes, which goes back to coaching. I know some of the kids st East and have been to a few of their games. Two of their close losses they had the ball inside the opponent's 15 yard line, down by less than a TD under 2 minutes left and lost the game. From what I have seen, Hanner is a good fundamental coach and knows how to coach proper blocking and tackling technique but he likes to run the ball alot (like Lingerfelt) and doesn't seem to want to deviate from the basic offensive plan when it's not working. Where I see he can improve is play calling, game adjustments and creativity on offense. When your opponent is consistently stopping your base offensive run plays, you need to have a bigger play book and more formations that include some misdirection and fakes. When East played Thomasville last week, they were consistently stopping East's single back formation runs but he continued to call the same run plays. (BTW, Thomasville returned 2 East fumblers for TDs, one the RB was clearly down and was a terrible missed call by the ref). The game was closer than the score indicated. They also threw the ball some but just from the same 3 receiver set. With a little bit of creativity, East could easily have at least 2 more wins with a few offensive adjustments.

Lingerfelt at West Davidson is basically the same way with play calling and coaching. When East played West, I bet West ran that same Veer play about 30 times to the right and left. East kept stopping it but West kept running it. West has some pretty good size on their line and some decent receivers but don't seem to have worked on developing their passing game much. So, it goes without saying why they have only won one game.
 
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I see East Davidson being on an upward trajectory. West, however... flat lining until some kind of change happens in Tyro.
 
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I see East Davidson being on an upward trajectory. West, however... flat lining until some kind of change happens in Tyro.

I heard today that the Brown middle school team is undefeated at 5-0 including wins over ND and Lexington. We'll see in a few years now that translates into success on the high school level. If that same group of kids doesnt have a winning season when they get to high school then something is definately wrong.
 
I heard today that the Brown middle school team is undefeated at 5-0 including wins over ND and Lexington. We'll see in a few years now that translates into success on the high school level. If that same group of kids doesnt have a winning season when they get to high school then something is definately wrong.
Looking at Hanner’s record, I think he’s proven his ability to win. Appears to me the Eagles are in a rebuilding season. Lost a lot of seniors last year, RB transfered and playing with a lot of sophomores. Give it time. Hanner has done a good job turning the program around from what it was
 
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I will say this about East Davidson, they could easily be 3-3 right now. Part of their problem is coaching and part of it is turnovers, mental mistakes, which goes back to coaching. I know some of the kids st East and have been to a few of their games. Two of their close losses they had the ball inside the opponent's 15 yard line, down by less than a TD under 2 minutes left and lost the game. From what I have seen, Hanner is a good fundamental coach and knows how to coach proper blocking and tackling technique but he likes to run the ball alot (like Lingerfelt) and doesn't seem to want to deviate from the basic offensive plan when it's not working. Where I see he can improve is play calling, game adjustments and creativity on offense. When your opponent is consistently stopping your base offensive run plays, you need to have a bigger play book and more formations that include some misdirection and fakes. When East played Thomasville last week, they were consistently stopping East's single back formation runs but he continued to call the same run plays. (BTW, Thomasville returned 2 East fumblers for TDs, one the RB was clearly down and was a terrible missed call by the ref). The game was closer than the score indicated. They also threw the ball some but just from the same 3 receiver set. With a little bit of creativity, East could easily have at least 2 more wins with a few offensive adjustments.

Lingerfelt at West Davidson is basically the same way with play calling and coaching. When East played West, I bet West ran that same Veer play about 30 times to the right and left. East kept stopping it but West kept running it. West has some pretty good size on their line and some decent receivers but don't seem to have worked on developing their passing game much. So, it goes without saying why they have only won one game.
Due to a sudden health issue in my family, I had to miss the East-Thomasville game, so can’t comment on the game. But in the years East beat Thomasville under Hanner, I was impressed with their offensive innovation and their ability to get huge chunks of yards. Is it possible that they simply don’t have the personnel this year? Since I haven’t seen East play, I don’t know the answer. Thoughts?
 
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Are you hinting that change will happen in one capacity or another?

I wish I could say that I have some kind of inside knowledge.... all just speculation. Lingerfelt stays at West until he chooses to step down.

East lost personnel. A LOT of personnel to graduation. Plus they got a late start due to the late hiring of Hanner. Hanner will get East back above .500 on a regular basis once he gets things in place again. He would also benefit from getting a few more dedicated ( willing, not required ) coaches on his staff. A few are only there because their contract requires them to be.
 
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I heard today that the Brown middle school team is undefeated at 5-0 including wins over ND and Lexington. We'll see in a few years now that translates into success on the high school level. If that same group of kids doesnt have a winning season when they get to high school then something is definately wrong.

This isn’t the first year the middle school
Has been good. It never translates at the high school level in that part of the county for whatever reason.
 
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Due to a sudden health issue in my family, I had to miss the East-Thomasville game, so can’t comment on the game. But in the years East beat Thomasville under Hanner, I was impressed with their offensive innovation and their ability to get huge chunks of yards. Is it possible that they simply don’t have the personnel this year? Since I haven’t seen East play, I don’t know the answer. Thoughts?

I've coached a few of the kids for East in PeeWee and Little League so I am familiar with most of their players. It is a combination of things including personnel, depth but mostly just because they have a young team, especially on the OL where they have at least 3 guys who are 1st year varsity players including 2 sophomores. The only senior on the OL plays both ways It also didn't help that their starting RB transferred to Oak Grove right before the season started. In the past, coaching up a solid run game with good OL play was where Hanner did his best. This year, they are lacking overall quality and depth of personnel, so, their offense has struggled due to a young OL and inconsistent run game.. On defense they had most of their front starting 7 returning from last year but have a young defensive secondary. Their best receiver from last year was moved to free safety and doesn't play much on offense (not sure why). East has been pretty solid defending the run this year but has struggled in pass defense. They have a couple of receivers on offense that are capable of being quality DBs but for some reason they don't play much defense either. I'm hoping they can turn things around this year but unless some changes are made on offense, they may not win another game.
 
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I've coached a few of the kids for East in PeeWee and Little League so I am familiar with most of their players. It is a combination of things including personnel, depth but mostly just because they have a young team, especially on the OL where they have at least 3 guys who are 1st year varsity players including 2 sophomores. The only senior on the OL plays both ways It also didn't help that their starting RB transferred to Oak Grove right before the season started. In the past, coaching up a solid run game with good OL play was where Hanner did his best. This year, they are lacking overall quality and depth of personnel, so, their offense has struggled due to a young OL and inconsistent run game.. On defense they had most of their front starting 7 returning from last year but have a young defensive secondary. Their best receiver from last year was moved to free safety and doesn't play much on offense (not sure why). East has been pretty solid defending the run this year but has struggled in pass defense. They have a couple of receivers on offense that are capable of being quality DBs but for some reason they don't play much defense either. I'm hoping they can turn things around this year but unless some changes are made on offense, they may not win another game.

Maybe sometimes when kids move to another school, people should stop and evaluate why? In some cases it is crazy parents or delusional kids that believe they are better than they are. Not referring to the case you mentioned above but sometimes legit reasons exist:

If a coaching staff is not willing to be "ALL IN" to improve a program
If a coaching staff does not reach out to college coaches about players who could play at some level
If the Administration does not support athletics
If no improvements to facilities, equipment, etc. ever happen

If you aren't about getting things better, you may want to stop and re-evaluate the "whys" of why you coach.
 
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