NCPreps.com Baker's Dozen - Week 2

[Deana_King]

Any thoughts?

2A CLASS

1. Shelby (1-0)
2. Clinton (0-0)
3. Reidsville (1-0)
4. Lincolnton (1-0)
5. Northeastern (1-0)
6. Monroe (0-1)
7. East Lincoln (1-0)
8. Bunn (1-0)
9. HP Andrews (0-0)
10. East Duplin (1-0)
11. Northside-Jax (1-0)
12. Farmville Central (1-0)
13. Maiden (1-0)

HONORABLE MENTION: Greene Central (1-0); Mountain Heritage (1-0); – Holmes (1-0);

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[Godevilsgo]

IMO Lincolnton is the 3, Northeastern is over ranked every year, and Maiden is a 10. Reidsville is hard one for me to distinguish only because the conference is incredibly weak.

Nobody is in the same class as Shelby again. Plenty of offense and the defense is a year older, wiser, and hungry for another ring. Dax Hollifield is a monster but they have a defensive returning lineman who can't be blocked.

 

[TheMule]

IMO Lincolnton is the 3, Northeastern is over ranked every year, and Maiden is a 10. Reidsville is hard one for me to distinguish only because the conference is incredibly weak.

Nobody is in the same class as Shelby again. Plenty of offense and the defense is a year older, wiser, and hungry for another ring. Dax Hollifield is a monster but they have a defensive returning lineman who can't be blocked.

You'll find out about Reidsville when they play consecutive road games at High Point Andrews, Northern Guilford, and Northwest Guilford. That schedule is not exactly incredibly weak. Conference is a sad joke.

 

[DarkHorse1234]

What happened to Monroe?

 

[Deana_King]

Lost to Sun Valley 45-37

 

[Ladge]

Monroe is still good, plenty of offensive talent. They at times play undisciplined using their speed to make up for being out of position. They just played one of the better qb's around (just a soph) who probably picked them apart. They still scored quite a few points.

 

[Chopper747]

Monroe is still good, plenty of offensive talent. They at times play undisciplined using their speed to make up for being out of position. They just played one of the better qb's around (just a soph) who probably picked them apart. They still scored quite a few points.

yeah Sun Valley always has a decent passing game.

 

[Deana_King]

Sun Valley's Howell is D1 QB recruit with some talented WRs.

 

[ocdavis31]

Deana, I know you usually get a lot of grief from people whose team has been left off this list. But thank you for not including Thomasville. We may get there, but we need to earn it. One big score doesn't a season make.

 

[fballguru24]

IMO Lincolnton is the 3, Northeastern is over ranked every year, and Maiden is a 10. Reidsville is hard one for me to distinguish only because the conference is incredibly weak.

Nobody is in the same class as Shelby again. Plenty of offense and the defense is a year older, wiser, and hungry for another ring. Dax Hollifield is a monster but they have a defensive returning lineman who can't be blocked.

It's all about match ups Devils, Rocky Mount beat South Point in the 3A title game, Rocky Mount also beat Northern Nash 20-13 last year and Northeastern beat N Nash 53-15. Any Given Friday!!

 

[HitmanT]

Deana, I know you usually get a lot of grief from people whose team has been left off this list. But thank you for not including Thomasville. We may get there, but we need to earn it. One big score doesn't a season make.

How's your boys looking? Been awhile since y'all were a dominant program.

 

[ocdavis31]

How's your boys looking? Been awhile since y'all were a dominant program.

I think we'll be decent. This week at 3-A Southern Lee should tell a lot. Lost 21 players to graduation, but also lost some players who kept us constantly backed up with their penalties and attitudes.
We certainly haven't been dominant, but the record is a little misleading. Most of the past six years, we had what most folks considered the first or second toughest non-conference schedules in the state. In those six years, we won the conference three times, made the playoffs five times and advanced to at least the second round four times. But the overall record was subpar for a Thomasville team. We're spoiled like most historically successful teams. I don't see us being dominant this year, but believe we'll have a good, not great season.
If the kids represent the school well on and off the field, I'll take good.

 

[bralpa]

We'll find out if Shelby is deserving of #1 ranking pretty soon...at 3A AC Reynolds this Friday and then host 3A South Point (#3 in 3A who just ended Crest's 32-game winning streak last week) on Thursday, Sep 1st. Shelby also has to play Kings Mountain (#7 in 3A) and Crest (#6 in 3A) this year...

 

[BigBird12]

IMO Lincolnton is the 3, Northeastern is over ranked every year, and Maiden is a 10. Reidsville is hard one for me to distinguish only because the conference is incredibly weak.

Nobody is in the same class as Shelby again. Plenty of offense and the defense is a year older, wiser, and hungry for another ring. Dax Hollifield is a monster but they have a defensive returning lineman who can't be blocked.

How is Northeastern always over ranked?

 

[Jamesdavis06]

Tell his team to line up against northeastern and see who is over ranked

 

[Godevilsgo]

Tell his team to line up against northeastern and see who is over ranked

What have you done in ten years? Preps stick you in the top 12 year after year. Is the east so weak outside of Clinton, SWO, and Reidsville (some years but we consider them always west) that they get the rank on pure eastern alignment? Show me the last decade of success BigBird. Maybe you finish fourth in the Southern District 7. Maybe.

 

[Inyourdome24-7]

There may not be another program in NC that's ever been over ranked than Northeastern. Year after year it's the same results. They're a quality program no doubt, but when you talk elite programs in the state they're not included.

 

[Darkhorse#34]

Football in the Northeast part of the state has always been questionable outside of Plymouth(1A champ a couple of times but 1A is a joke really) Northeastern has a lot of deep runs just can't get over that hump...I remember that team Ge Dari Livermans senior year surprised they lost Washington they absolutely destroyed a solid Southwest Edgecombe team the week before

 

[BigBird12]

Football in the Northeast part of the state has always been questionable outside of Plymouth(1A champ a couple of times but 1A is a joke really) Northeastern has a lot of deep runs just can't get over that hump...I remember that team Ge Dari Livermans senior year surprised they lost Washington they absolutely destroyed a solid Southwest Edgecombe team the week before

Year before that barley lost to a solid SWO team

 

[Jamesdavis06]

Lost to Washington because he got hurt

 

[OJ and the Electric Company]

What have you done in ten years? Preps stick you in the top 12 year after year. Is the east so weak outside of Clinton, SWO, and Reidsville (some years but we consider them always west) that they get the rank on pure eastern alignment? Show me the last decade of success BigBird. Maybe you finish fourth in the Southern District 7. Maybe.

Let's look at Northeastern's record the last decade...

Overall record (106-33)
2006 (10-3) lost to SWO 16-14 in 2nd rd.
2007 (5-7) lost to Cummings 31-14 in 1st rd.
2008 (11-2) lost to Clinton 43-31 in 2nd rd.
2009 (7-5) lost to Northwood 28-6 in 2nd rd.
2010 (13-3) lost to Salisbury 30-0 in State Championship.
2011 (10-3) lost to Bunn 63-33 in 2nd rd.
2012 (11-3) lost to Tarboro 52-24 in East Semis.
2013 (12-3) lost to SWO 19-9 in East Championship.
2014 (14-1) lost to Washington 41-17 in East Championship.
2015 (11-3) lost to Kinston 14-13 in East Semis.

It's true that Northeastern has been known to flame out in the postseason against teams outside their area, but if you look at what they've done from 2010 on, you'll see that they have been playing after Thanksgiving 5 out of the last 6 years, and 3 of those years, they were among the last 8 2A teams in the state. Not many 2A programs can say that. So if you ask me, based on how they have faired over the past 6 years, Northeastern's placement in the top 12 is more than justified.

 

[Earnhardt Forever]

Let's look at Northeastern's record the last decade...

Overall record (106-33)
2006 (10-3) lost to SWO 16-14 in 2nd rd.
2007 (5-7) lost to Cummings 31-14 in 1st rd.
2008 (11-2) lost to Clinton 43-31 in 2nd rd.
2009 (7-5) lost to Northwood 28-6 in 2nd rd.
2010 (13-3) lost to Salisbury 30-0 in State Championship.
2011 (10-3) lost to Bunn 63-33 in 2nd rd.
2012 (11-3) lost to Tarboro 52-24 in East Semis.
2013 (12-3) lost to SWO 19-9 in East Championship.
2014 (14-1) lost to Washington 41-17 in East Championship.
2015 (11-3) lost to Kinston 14-13 in East Semis.

It's true that Northeastern has been known to flame out in the postseason against teams outside their area, but if you look at what they've done from 2010 on, you'll see that they have been playing after Thanksgiving 5 out of the last 6 years, and 3 of those years, they were among the last 8 2A teams in the state. Not many 2A programs can say that. So if you ask me, based on how they have faired over the past 6 years, Northeastern's placement in the top 12 is more than justified.

I agree Juice. Could not have stated it better.

 

[Gotoredd]

I'll take Shelby every year and play anybody
period.

 

[Darkhorse#34]

At the end of the day hardware is what matters its what folks will look at.....look at East Duplin,Bunn,Northside Jax till you have the rings its not much to brag about.....solid 10+ win team with nothing to show for it

 

[Darkhorse#34]

Look at the Golden State Warriors in the NBA....look at the Carolina Panthers in the NFL.....you can throw your regular season record or how many conference titles you won but at the end of the day did you win or even get to the big game.....Championship rings is all that matters......and I'm a Panther fan

 

[OJ and the Electric Company]

I agree with you that rings do matter, but that wasn't the original argument about Northeastern. The arguement was Is Northeastern overrated every year? I have provided facts to help support my arguement that they are not overrated every year. No one said anything about comparing titles....... Which Northeastern has one, by the way, way back in 1969..... But do you feel that based on their past 10 seasons of work that they are overrated?

 

[Godevilsgo]

I agree with you that rings do matter, but that wasn't the original argument about Northeastern. The arguement was Is Northeastern overrated every year? I have provided facts to help support my arguement that they are not overrated every year. No one said anything about comparing titles....... Which Northeastern has one, by the way, way back in 1969..... But do you feel that based on their past 10 seasons of work that they are overrated?

I would have to still say yes based on the competition they play and the draw they get because of it. Then of course the state used the pod system for many years that helped the same teams stay in a region thru the first two to three rounds. That same pod system destroyed some teams ability to get by the same teams they played in their own conference.

 

[Jamesdavis06]

Like I said northeastern will play anybody anywhere anytime so do anyone want to take that lost

 

[Godevilsgo]

Like I said northeastern will play anybody anywhere anytime so do anyone want to take that lost

That's one powerful conference Northeastern is in- Pasquatank (nobody east of Wilson knows it exist), Bertie, Currituck, Hertford, First Flight, and Holmes. Very impressive teams. Should never have a loss with those monsters.

 

[Jamesdavis06]

Ok well go play Edenton or Hertford and we will see how it go

 

[Wizard of the East]

Gata, I think the rankings are about right for now

 

[OJ and the Electric Company]

There are many good teams that simply will not win a championship. I get that. You get that. We all get that. There are many teams that fall short year after year. However, shouldn't we award consistency? Northeastern has been to one state championship game and three regional championship games in the past six seasons. How many 2A teams have been as consistent? Shelby, East Lincoln, Monroe....although one was in the 2012 1A playoffs. Clinton hasn't been as consistent as Northeastern...only one state championship and one regional final in the past 6 years, although they are an incredibly well-prepared team....Bobby Lewis is a winner that is as humble as the day is long. Lincolnton, another great program, has been to only one state final and two regional championships in the past 6 years.

Many ways to measure programs without tearing down the hard work of a program. Northeastern's Coach Moore reminds me a lot of Coach Lewis with his humility....being humble is an asset.

 

[BigBird12]

NCC isn't tough at all, thus why NHS schedules some tough non-conference opponents.

 

[Elincoln]

I think N Eastern deserves some respect. I do think they're in a weak conference, however Holmes is a solid program. They seem to have some really bad games in late rounds.

On another note. I think East Lincoln is a little over rated right now. From what I've seen in the first two games, we are a top 20 2a team but outside the top 12. Just my opinion and I hope I'm wrong. Mike Byus teams always get better through the season so I'm confident that they will improve. Lincolnton is going to be a monster and the SD7 has gotten stronger. Maiden and West Caldwell are solid and Newtons win over Asheville looks impressive. Going to be a tough road this year.