NCPreps.com All-State Team
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Congratulations to all the recipients, but special congratulations to Reidsville's Austyn Chestnut. Best returner in the state this season!
Absolutely should be on the team one of the best RB's in NC in all classification good vision and speed going to get bigger and stronger by next season with no injuries i'm looking at over 3000yds. rushing.
Id put reidsville's quiron Johnson (73) against any lineman in the state, offense or defense, any class
Yes he should if you are going by stats and not the school classification. Granted Wake Forest won the state championship,Scotland got knocked out in the third round. Devon Lawrence of Wake Forest stats are total td's 27, 1533 yds, 6.6 avg per carry,109pg,/ Zamir White of Scotland total td's 28, 153.9 yds a game, 1693 yds for the season/Keimon Bailey of Edenton Holmes total yards 2860, td's 36, avg. 10.0 per carry,178.3 yards a game, 13 games of 100 plus yards, longest td from scrimmage 91yds, and miss one playoff game South Columbus because of and ankle injury which cause him not to reach over 3000yds for the season. All of us got to stop looking at just the big schools are entitled to all the awards for example only big schools can play in the Shrine Bowl. If you are going by stats then yes Bailey belong on the NC Preps All State Team just like the other two young men. If Bailey wasn't as good why is it that a certain big 4AA school want him to transfer to Raleigh to play on their team a team that went deep in the playoff. Plus base on size 5'7" 170 he did great things for the Aces and they had another RB who also rushed for over 1300yds a game and 17td's.
Deana why was Devon Lawrence of Wake Forest and Zamir White of Scotland chosen over Edenton/Holmes Keimon Bailey when Bailey had better over all stats and did more for his team and played on an ankle which was only 85pct healed in the championship game and still was able to score on a 55yds td run on a bum ankle. The kid has heart and guts I hope in the future he can get some recognition like the kids at the big schools does.
Have you seen the two backs that you are questioning their ability to be all-state. If you have seen them and think they are not worthy I will shut my mouth...........
Have you seen Keimon Bailey to question his ability to be all-state? I'm not question their ability to be all-state i'm just saying Bailey if you base it on stats then Bailey is the better back althoung he miss a game in the playoff.
All state is not based on one factor but several factors. Stats are important but it's not the only factor that we have. Competition, recruiting, stats, leadership, coachability, and many more.
Well, I have seen Bailey. He is a good, fast running back that make the most of the options he runs. But he is not even close to being in the league with the kids from Scotland County and Wake Forest. Check out the recruiting rankings and ask some of the college recruiters and you will get a whole lot of other names that are considered better running backs.
I am biased of course, but Reidsville's Jaron Letterlough would be my pick over Bailey if we were choosing up a team.
If stats were the only factor you would have a whole lot of similar small quick backs dominating the all star teams.
I am biased of course, but Reidsville's Jaron Letterlough would be my pick over Bailey if we were choosing up a team.
If stats were the only factor you would have a whole lot of similar small quick backs dominating the all star teams.
What one of those mentioned is Bailey missing so the Aces and him will know what to work on so the kids coming behind him will know no matter how good your stats and player you are if you don't have xyz it doesn't matter to anybody.
That your opinion I saw Letterlough play also he didn't have to carry the load for his team in the running game Bailey did when he's Healthy Bailey is the more explosive back coming out of the back field.
And your comments are your opinion.
And Bailey benefited from the great QB tosses on the option.
I have seen all three play and from what I saw Bailey is not the total package of the other two backs. Bailey is a good little football player and if the right Div.II school recruits
him he may play at the next level.
And basically any All State/All American/All County/All Conference team comes down to someone's or group of someone's opinions.
Everyone can usually justify their cases through stats, eye tests, or other factors like level of competition and performances against such.
All "anything" teams are totally subjective and are met with both widespread approval and criticism from other camps.
While not always agreeing with some of the selections made to such teams I do respect those that put themselves out there to publish them.
Well except for anything Maxpreps does. Got no use for people 3000 miles away running things around these parts.
Sorry redneck came out there for a minute and dang I was doing well.
Everyone can usually justify their cases through stats, eye tests, or other factors like level of competition and performances against such.
All "anything" teams are totally subjective and are met with both widespread approval and criticism from other camps.
While not always agreeing with some of the selections made to such teams I do respect those that put themselves out there to publish them.
Well except for anything Maxpreps does. Got no use for people 3000 miles away running things around these parts.
Sorry redneck came out there for a minute and dang I was doing well.
I was asking it as a question for more info and I am not terribly concerned with who did or did not make the team. I did not see Bailey play and I expect few that vote for all state teams did. I agree that stats need to play a big part in all state teams due to comparison purposes but I try to look a little deeper. If selecting an all star type team I am asking the coaches who was the toughest player you went against and why.
I am not sure who the two RBs should have been but there are always multiple factors. If it is stats Courtney McKinney from East Montgomery may be ahead of him depending on how you view different stats. Saw him play and he is impressive. If it is stat driven you are possibly going to have more players from the smaller classifications. If Zamir White played at East Montgomery what would his numbers have been? It is hypothetical and to many not relevant but that is in the back of your mind.
One thing I know is that Paul Hoggard has coached a lot of smaller backs that put up big numbers or groups of them that did. In 4A you are more likely to have more top shelf players allowing you to spread it around. His QB was elite in the offense also which is a big plus but it is s team game.
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Pick Mine! Pick Mine! I saw him play every Friday so he has to be the best. Pick Mine! Pick Mine!
Come on guys get over yourself.
K. Bailey wasn't even the best running back in his conference, Traveon Freshwater at Northeastern who is AP All State for defense also ran for 1441 on 110 carries, averaged 13 yards a carry, he also averaged only 8 carries a game and he is only a sophomore. 6'3" 210 he is a beast, look for big things from this kid.
Wizard who are you referring to when you quote that stat? If you are referring to Holmes' Bailey he was injured on the second series of the Eastern Championship and was unable to return.
no I was referring to Zamir White of Scotland County. All-Stars come up big in big games, 61 yards doesn't get it done.
Wiz, White is rated the #1 running back in the nation by several rating services.
He is the real deal.
He is the real deal.
Scouts dont always get it right......just this week a Former East Bladen player committed to Ole Miss via Louisburg junior college.....two years ago the best offer him and his brother could get was WSSU.....the brother maybe committing to Texas later on this month....referring to Larrell and Farrell Murchison......Scouts and recruiters dont always get it right
Darkhorse, I thought the issue for Murchinson was not qualifying academically? Only option was D2, NAIA, or JUCO.
He ended up with Ole Miss when UNC's DL coach resigned fircthe SEC job. Glad for the young man!
He ended up with Ole Miss when UNC's DL coach resigned fircthe SEC job. Glad for the young man!
Both brothers or just one of em??? Cause Farrell the RB was probably the one of the best RBs in the state in 2014 thought he was D1 material if i ever seen it 6'2 230 pounds and fast
The reason that FBS and FCS would not be available to a great player would be qualifying academically. Complete JUCO requirements then sign with a D1 program. Same thing happened with Albemarle player that year. He signed with Miss State over Oklahoma. His brother went JUCO route also. He starts for the Raiders on DL. Lee Autry and Denico Autry.
Scouting high school athletes would have to be tough, look how often the pro teams get it wrong and that's after another 4 years "body of work". I see it in football, baseball and basketball. It's just hard to predict success/failure in sports. Sometimes intangibles are the only difference and those cant really be measured.
Just think you cant live and die with what these scouts say and rankings.....especially when it comes to small town football players.....Too many times scouts/recruiters get lost in that 4A/bigger school appeal.....i see where White's backup McQueen i believe his name already has a few ACC offers i mean come on really some really good small school guys still dont even have offers yet
I lnow some 2A guys get big time offers but the 4A bias is TOO REAL especially when it comes to skill position guys.....people talk about the competition factor well in the case of RBs yeah he is going against 4A competition but he is also running behind a 4A sized line.....Let guys Bailey,Legget,or Ryheem Skinner trade places with one of these big time 4aa running backs who would put up the better numbers????.....Cant speak for any the other backs cause i dont know there stats but Skinner has put up over 5,500+ rushing yards in his career at Clinton with 60+ TDs and as of this point no a single offer.....but Scotlands 2nd string RB already has multiple Offers????? Cmon somethings not right bout that....FYI Skinner is academically eligible so grades arent a factor
You always say this about your home team players not being on a list or in some ranking(must be a Clinton thing), but one thing you said stands out. You can not speak for other backs/players, and also you can not speak for their competition in relation to your home team. So you've basically confessed to not being qualified to judge who goes on the list. Now that you have admitted to not knowing about other backs you can not really speak to who should be or who should not be on the list. I've seen several backs that could go on that list. It's a hard task to find the best of the best. You can rack up the most yards in a season and exit the 1st round, which makes the stats suspect.
