NCHSAA Football Playoffs Seeding Process

[shutdownD24]

After reading the NCHSAA bylaws for seedings in the playoffs, I believe the NCHSAA needs clarifying language or improvements on three parts of the seeding process. The three points of clarification that I believe that the NCHSAA needs to make or fix are related to co- conference champions, undefeated top seeds, and seeds awarded to split conference playoff teams. (1) When a conference has a co-champion the co-champion that is not seeded as the conference champ for playoff purposes should always be seeded ahead of teams that it finished in front of in their conference and also teams that did not win or share their conference titles. (For example a co-conference champion should be seeded higher than a third place team in their conference and any other team that did not win or share a conference title irregardless of rpi).
(2) Undefeated conference champions should be seeded higher than conference champions that are not undefeated. For example in the 3A West teams like Hickory, Dudley, Robinson, should be seeded higher than one loss teams like South Point and Erwin.
(3) teams from split conferences should be seeded as conference champions ONLY if those teams win their overall conference championship. Those split conference who do not win their overall conference should be seeded by rpi after conference champions AND co-conference champions are seeded. We have too many teams that only has to beat one or two teams in their split conference that are awarded conference champion seedings.
Just three common sense solutions that I think needs to be clarified and have language addressing these circumstances in the bylaws.

 

[beamer24]

I'd say if you are the higher classification in a split conference you should have to win your overall conference but if you are a lower classification leave it as finish top 3 or above .500.

 

[Reynoldsrocks2]

I'd say if you are the higher classification in a split conference you should have to win your overall conference but if you are a lower classification leave it as finish top 3 or above .500.

Our conference split 3A/4A had special circumstances because of the storm we didn’t even play every team in our conference. We never played McDowell and Erwin didn’t have to face 4A champions Asheville. Not having to play everyone really screwed up our conference they simply made sure all 3A teams faced each other and all 4A teams played each other and it wasn’t equal for everyone. Erwin proved to be the best 3A team but we can’t say who was best OVERALL because we all didn’t face everyone.

 

[EverybodyHatesTheChamp]

After reading the NCHSAA bylaws for seedings in the playoffs, I believe the NCHSAA needs clarifying language or improvements on three parts of the seeding process. The three points of clarification that I believe that the NCHSAA needs to make or fix are related to co- conference champions, undefeated top seeds, and seeds awarded to split conference playoff teams. (1) When a conference has a co-champion the co-champion that is not seeded as the conference champ for playoff purposes should always be seeded ahead of teams that it finished in front of in their conference and also teams that did not win or share their conference titles. (For example a co-conference champion should be seeded higher than a third place team in their conference and any other team that did not win or share a conference title irregardless of rpi).
(2) Undefeated conference champions should be seeded higher than conference champions that are not undefeated. For example in the 3A West teams like Hickory, Dudley, Robinson, should be seeded higher than one loss teams like South Point and Erwin.
(3) teams from split conferences should be seeded as conference champions ONLY if those teams win their overall conference championship. Those split conference who do not win their overall conference should be seeded by rpi after conference champions AND co-conference champions are seeded. We have too many teams that only has to beat one or two teams in their split conference that are awarded conference champion seedings.
Just three common sense solutions that I think needs to be clarified and have language addressing these circumstances in the bylaws.

I agree and have no problem with any of this, but you shouldn't have co-champions if you lost head-to-head.

 

[shutdownD24]

I agree and have no problem with any of this, but you shouldn't have co-champions if you lost head-to-head.

I mostly agree unless the one of the co-champs lost to a team that the other co-champ beat head to head. For example co-champion ‘A’ beat co-champion ‘B’ but co-champion ‘A’ lost to team ‘C’ while co-champion ‘B’ beat team ‘C’. I agree for seeding purposes because of the head to head that ‘A’ is seeded higher but team ‘B’ is still a co-conference champion who should be seeded as such.

 

[EverybodyHatesTheChamp]

I mostly agree unless the one of the co-champs lost to a team that the other co-champ beat head to head. For example co-champion ‘A’ beat co-champion ‘B’ but co-champion ‘A’ lost to team ‘C’ while co-champion ‘B’ beat team ‘C’. I agree for seeding purposes because of the head to head that ‘A’ is seeded higher but team ‘B’ is still a co-conference champion who should be seeded as such.

Just take the 2 teams on top with the same record and see what they did head-to-head. That should be the champ imo. I have no problem with seeding 2nd place higher than 3rd place. I think they just said RPI to make it easier to understand.

 

[shutdownD24]

Just take the 2 teams on top with the same record and see what they did head-to-head. That should be the champ imo. I have no problem with seeding 2nd place higher than 3rd place. I think they just said RPI to make it easier to understand.

The NCHSAA used to utilized conference finish but teams were being punished for being in much tougher conferences than others. This year you will possibly have a four loss Freedom team who finished atop the 3A teams in a split conference being credited with that and being seeded higher than a team or teams that finished tied for first place. This tends to happen more in 3A and 4A. 1A and 2A are affected more by the split conference nonsense.

 

[DeBoer31]

I agree and have no problem with any of this, but you shouldn't have co-champions if you lost head-to-head.

agree

 

[CHEERDUCK]

After reading the NCHSAA bylaws for seedings in the playoffs, I believe the NCHSAA needs clarifying language or improvements on three parts of the seeding process. The three points of clarification that I believe that the NCHSAA needs to make or fix are related to co- conference champions, undefeated top seeds, and seeds awarded to split conference playoff teams. (1) When a conference has a co-champion the co-champion that is not seeded as the conference champ for playoff purposes should always be seeded ahead of teams that it finished in front of in their conference and also teams that did not win or share their conference titles. (For example a co-conference champion should be seeded higher than a third place team in their conference and any other team that did not win or share a conference title irregardless of rpi).
(2) Undefeated conference champions should be seeded higher than conference champions that are not undefeated. For example in the 3A West teams like Hickory, Dudley, Robinson, should be seeded higher than one loss teams like South Point and Erwin.
(3) teams from split conferences should be seeded as conference champions ONLY if those teams win their overall conference championship. Those split conference who do not win their overall conference should be seeded by rpi after conference champions AND co-conference champions are seeded. We have too many teams that only has to beat one or two teams in their split conference that are awarded conference champion seedings.
Just three common sense solutions that I think needs to be clarified and have language addressing these circumstances in the bylaws.

Good observations and greater points. Of course this would require what our systems usually have less of anymore and that is "Common Sense".

 

[shutdownD24]

Good observations and greater points. Of course this would require what our systems usually have less of anymore and that is "Common Sense".

In my opinion Hickory should be the #1 overall seed in the west followed by Dudley and JM Robinson. Not sure what’s so hard about that. Reward those teams for their undefeated regular seasons.