NC Playoff system

[ForsythFootball]

So I have been curious, but honestly why don't we have more classifications like other states? Most states have 1-6AA
This would be an additional four classifications but I mean you only need around 30 teams to make a classification. I just don't see the need to have Butler, Vance Mallard creek, page not all be in a title game. I'm not saying everyone has to win because it takes the joy out of it but at the same time they are all great programs. Just like with East, Catholic Scotland and Dudley as well as cape fear of course they are all really talented and I really believe a few extra classifications would be a good thing?

 

[Deana_King]

I'm old school...like just 4 champions

 

[CatholicCougs14]

So I have been curious, but honestly why don't we have more classifications like other states? Most states have 1-6AA
This would be an additional four classifications but I mean you only need around 30 teams to make a classification. I just don't see the need to have Butler, Vance Mallard creek, page not all be in a title game. I'm not saying everyone has to win because it takes the joy out of it but at the same time they are all great programs. Just like with East, Catholic Scotland and Dudley as well as cape fear of course they are all really talented and I really believe a few extra classifications would be a good thing?

Dude do you understand how thin that would stretch things? It'd be ridiculous to make it 6 classes. 4 is enough as it is with sub-dividing...it's tough to win states as it should be

 

[Deana_King]

The biggest area of concerns are in 1A and 4A with the drastic numbers between schools.

Some 1A schools have half the students of other 1A schools. In 4A at the very top you have some schools pushing near 3,000 kids compared to some that have 1,700 ton1,900 kids.

I personally don't like 8 state champs. I think 6 could be more ideal.

 

[CatholicCougs14]

The biggest area of concerns are in 1A and 4A with the drastic numbers between schools.

Some 1A schools have half the students of other 1A schools. In 4A at the very top you have some schools pushing near 3,000 kids compared to some that have 1,700 ton1,900 kids.

I personally don't like 8 state champs. I think 6 could be more ideal.

Need to stop sub-dividing 1A and 4A due to lack of teams from 2017-2021

 

[72 State Champion]

6 classes no subdividing....would make things way more special!

 

[Deana_King]

Yes that is what I meant.

 

[btango]

6 classes no subdividing....would make things way more special!

Good for football, terrible for all other sports.

Qualify 192 teams and divide them into six divisions. D1 largest 32, D6 smallest 32.

Five rounds, six champions. Use A&T and Wake Forest for title games. Game at each site on Friday. On Saturday each site has a 2:30 and 7pm game.

All conference champions qualify unless they are from the larger classification in a split conference and do not win the overall conference title. Use Simmons Rankings to seed those teams and then seed all other qualifying teams based on the Power Poll. Relying on overall records and conference finishes can be very misleading.

 

[mrhonda]

I'm more in favor of getting rid of the east/west thing. I'd rather see the teams together in one group, top seed down to lowest seed, regardless of region. In this way, you might have a better chance of having the best teams in a final. This is especially true in 4AA football, where you have the almost yearly Wake County debacle.

 

[ForsythFootball]

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I'm more in favor of getting rid of the east/west thing. I'd rather see the teams together in one group, top seed down to lowest seed, regardless of region. In this way, you might have a better chance of having the best teams in a final. This is especially true in 4AA football, where you have the almost yearly Wake County debacle.

i really like that idea/ playoff system

 

[ForsythFootball]

My main thing was not have these amazing teams funneled to fight to the death in superstar games in the second rounds. So no east/west would do the same as more classifications would do. Equal the field

 

[Eagles/Trojans13]

I'm more in favor of getting rid of the east/west thing. I'd rather see the teams together in one group, top seed down to lowest seed, regardless of region. In this way, you might have a better chance of having the best teams in a final. This is especially true in 4AA football, where you have the almost yearly Wake County debacle.

So...if that is what you want, based on this years records, this is what you would have had in 4A and 4AA with no East/West divide

4A
1 Scotland vs 32 Northern Durham
16 AL Brown vs 17 Glenn

8 TC Roberson vs 25 Parkland
9 New Hanover vs 24 SW Guilford

4 Davie vs 29 Clayton
13 West Johnston vs 20 North Davidson

5 Charlotte Catholic vs 28 Hoggard
12 Cardinal Gibbons vs 21 Porter Ridge

3 East Forsyth vs 30 New Bern
14 Seventy-First vs 19 DH Conley

6 Hillside vs 27 SE Guilford
11 Dudley vs 22 Pine Forest

7 Watauga vs 26 Alexander Central
10 JH Rose vs 23 Person

15 Mount Tabor vs 18 SE Raleigh
2 Cape Fear vs 31 Harding

4AA
1 Middle Creek vs 32 McDowell
16 Sanderson vs 17 Fuquay-Varina

8 Myers Park vs 25 Ardrey Kell
9 West Forsyth vs 24 South Meck

4 Butler vs 29 Olympic
13 Richmond vs 20 Laney

5 Page vs 28 Green Hope
12 Mallard Creek vs 21 South View

3 Lake Norman vs 30 East Meck
14 West Meck vs 19 NW Guilford

6 Garner vs 27 Leesville Road
11 Heritage vs 22 Millbrook

7 Vance vs 26 Wakefield
10 Pinecrest vs 23 Holly Springs

15 Mooresville vs 18 Hough
2 Wake Forest vs 31 Panther Creek

 

[ForsythFootball]

I really like that just wish that just wish that they could use a human aspect or strength of schedule in the process. Even in today's system we reward teams for playing nobody

So...if that is what you want, based on this years records, this is what you would have had in 4A and 4AA with no East/West divide

4A
1 Scotland vs 32 Northern Durham
16 AL Brown vs 17 Glenn

8 TC Roberson vs 25 Parkland
9 New Hanover vs 24 SW Guilford

4 Davie vs 29 Clayton
13 West Johnston vs 20 North Davidson

5 Charlotte Catholic vs 28 Hoggard
12 Cardinal Gibbons vs 21 Porter Ridge

3 East Forsyth vs 30 New Bern
14 Seventy-First vs 19 DH Conley

6 Hillside vs 27 SE Guilford
11 Dudley vs 22 Pine Forest

7 Watauga vs 26 Alexander Central
10 JH Rose vs 23 Person

15 Mount Tabor vs 18 SE Raleigh
2 Cape Fear vs 31 Harding

4AA
1 Middle Creek vs 32 McDowell
16 Sanderson vs 17 Fuquay-Varina

8 Myers Park vs 25 Ardrey Kell
9 West Forsyth vs 24 South Meck

4 Butler vs 29 Olympic
13 Richmond vs 20 Laney

5 Page vs 28 Green Hope
12 Mallard Creek vs 21 South View

3 Lake Norman vs 30 East Meck
14 West Meck vs 19 NW Guilford

6 Garner vs 27 Leesville Road
11 Heritage vs 22 Millbrook

7 Vance vs 26 Wakefield
10 Pinecrest vs 23 Holly Springs

15 Mooresville vs 18 Hough
2 Wake Forest vs 31 Panther Creek

hey

 

[ForsythFootball]

I think you do no east west
-10 game win percentage
-head to head
-maxpreps ranking this would change the matchups you are saying a lot because Page, butler, east wouldnall be higher

 

[ReidsvilleRam90]

This idea was suggested years ago on the 2a board. It addresses the fact that teams are playing based on an adm number from six years ago. A lot can change in six years.

Align conferences by geography with a minor concentration on size. Determine eligible teams based on 6 brackets. Use THAT YEARS adm to determine which of the six brackets you fall into.

 

[btango]

I have been in favor of going statewide playoffs in the 4A subclasses for several years or possibly reseeding state after round one.

Statewide would not work well nor would I push for it for 1A-3A. 4A schools are mostly in larger areas that easier to reach via interstate travel with the majority of the schools bring in the three large metro areas, Fayetteville, and Wilmington. Think it works even better with the 20/30/30/20 alignment.

 

[btango]

Strength of schedule seeding is a must for the future.

 

[btango]

This idea was suggested years ago on the 2a board. It addresses the fact that teams are playing based on an adm number from six years ago. A lot can change in six years.

Align conferences by geography with a minor concentration on size. Determine eligible teams based on 6 brackets. Use THAT YEARS adm to determine which of the six brackets you fall into.

The changes in ADM is why I like using six divisions that have nothing to do with the school's classification for the football playoffs.

The schools want enrollment as a main focus in conferences to some degree with geography. They want natural rivalries but they do not like wife variances in school size.

 

[TVILLEDAWG2370]

I would take the top 32 teams based off Simmons rating,no east/west that way you would have a true state champion and no side of an east/waist bracket would be weaker or better than the other,and no split classification...or just take all the teams with 9 or more wins regardless of the number of teams that qualify and make a bracket accordingly

 

[Deana_King]

So you going to make a team like Smoky Mountain to travel to First Flight or vice versa. Not feasible.

It could work for 4A but not the others.

 

[btango]

There are seven and eight win teams that would roll teams with better records. Some smaller schools schedule up in class for non conference while some go the opposite way. I like a SOS qualifying and seeding due to the vast difference in opponents.

 

[TVILLEDAWG2370]

In a perfect world I would...you should only be allowed to schedule teams that are in your own classificatio...there's no prefect system,I think they should do the same for collage football,take all the teams that win 10 or more games...if it would work for 4A it should be done then...instead of schools doing their own no conference scheduling allow the NCHSAA to do somekind of random blind draw for teams no conference schedules

 

[UNCGrad2014]

One word: BUDGET. That's what you will run into each time. Travel costs.

 

[ForsythFootball]

We had Teams this year travel 8 hours round trip for a game? I forgot what classification but the team had to travel from the west border line to the western most tip of nc.

 

[SimmonsRatings]

The East/West needs to stay as is due to ridiculous travel if you don't have it.
I have been proposing for years that we have 3 classes in the regular season - makes it easy to make conferences without split conferences. You have about 136 in each class then the top 64 qualify and sub-divide into 6 divisions, 32 in each division. This would be especially good for 1A because if you take away the charters that don't play football (about 26 schools) - you have 64 out of about 110 making the playoffs instead of 64 out of 79 like it is now.

Unfortunately with the new 20/30/30/20 system, 4A and 1A are both going to be very watered down now. About 78 schools playing football in each of those classifications. Not a big fan.

I will say that I like the new playoff system with the east vs. mideast and west vs. midwest seeding better than what they have done in prior years.

 

[GSO-Triple5]

We had Teams this year travel 8 hours round trip for a game? I forgot what classification but the team had to travel from the west border line to the western most tip of nc.

Northern Guilford journeyed to West Brunswick in the first round. These two competitors would be 3-AA squads, Forsyth Football.

 

[btango]

Simmons the three classification setup was presented to the schools by NCHSAA. Very schools showed any support for further review. Two big complaints were the difference in enrollment in the classes and either three or six champions in all team sports. Coaches of the non football team sports were very supportive of four champions.

 

[ForsythFootball]

Northern Guilford journeyed to West Brunswick in the first round. These two competitors would be 3-AA squads, Forsyth Football.

It wasn't them It was a team east of Charlotte traveling all the way out west just forgot who

 

[beamer24]

South Robeson traveled to Murphy (340 Miles 1 way) in 1A

 

[Eagles/Trojans13]

Cherryville (398 total miles) and Bessermer City (380 total miles) both had to travel to Whiteville for playoff games and then Whiteville (444 total miles) had to travel to Mt. Airy for a playoff game. I know that's 1A, but that is also with East/West divide!

 

[Deana_King]

More 1A schools in the East. That's scenario has been happening since the split playoffs started.

Schools in SE NC come West.

 

[Eagles/Trojans13]

Deanna, do you see some of that happening next year with 4A as well since there will be fewer 4A teams as well?

 

[Deana_King]

May happen in any class. There's no East-West boundary. Some schools play in the East one year and West the next.

 

[btango]

1A and 4A should look at going four rounds next year or five rounds and not subdividing. 64 out of 76 teams making the playoffs is crazy.

 

[UNCGrad2014]

Happened in 3A a few years ago with Anson County having to travel to Havelock. 4hr and 3 min... 256 miles one way.