Ok wait a minute you have been found wrong so you are changing your argument to this. Wow again this guy is a fair representation of what happens to you when public schools are not funded property. Let this guy be a warning to us all
Corvian?
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Really then the people on here bitching about charter schools need a to be quiet then
I agree charters schools are here to stay no matter who you vote for. More important things going on in the world.
To talk football our local team playing Monroe. Should be tough game for West Stokes. Corvian will have a tough time beating ER. I'll say ER by 14
There isnt much more important than the education system and a well educated populace. Obviously some slept through school since they don't realize what tariffs are about to do to them.
But hey, play football. Maybe equipment will be affordable next year.
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WE TALKING ABOUT CHARTER SCHOOLS IN north carolina dang man!!!! This is where democrats have had the majority and a democrat president so stop with the voting for republican crap is the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would think or at least hope that someone that from what I gather works in the public school system would understand the makeup of their government in North Carolina and how things come to law in North Carolina and who is pushing for privatization of schools in NC while realizing the small role the federal government and the executive branch play in education.
If democrats have the majority right now how is it republicans fault in state and federal?????
This is not a federal conversation Buzz. This is a state level conversation. Republicans control the NC General Assembly. Republicans just voted to take your tax dollars and give them to private schools. Republicans are currently the ones that don't pay you what you are worth in the public school system.
Republicans have also had a veto proof majority in NC because a Charlotte area Rep that had been just elected as a Democrat magically decided to change parties after the 2022 midterm election.
The federal government has little to nothing to do with charter and private schools.
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I support better than what we had last 4 years. I support lower grocery.prices and a secure border so a 911 dosent happen again. What do you support!!!!!
So just what are you saying about all the other Republican Trump supporters on here? You saying we all stupid? I sure wasn't voting for a woman that changed all her policies since 2019 and never answer a question with answer other than when I was young i grew up in a middle class family....lmao.
Well, no acknowledge on the education that was just dropped about the makeup of the state government.
It all checks out though.
It all checks out though.
I support people who are educated enough to know that the people who done 911 did not come across the border, they flew here and had visa's You dumbass.
Here we go. Any Civics teachers on here? And we wonder why folks like sammyk are hanging it up?
No crap man. But now they just walked in and we flew them in with no knowledge of who they are. You need to check your education from the 1940s you got.
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The fragility of our political landscape can dramatically alter the balance of power in the General Assembly.
I’m assuming you have no affiliation with education as your comment is comical. Education will fail!??? That may be the dumbest comment I’ve seen besides your “keep voting republican.” The Dems have had control for the past 16 of 20 years and all the sudden our poor excuse for education system is going to hell because of Republicans? Lol. Public education is a joke to say the least. Kids aren’t being taught and teachers aren’t teaching. Hence the CHOICE of alternative options for parents. Schools are a zoo, especially in bigger cities, and NO parent in their right mind would send kids to that environment. Charters have every right to be an option, and at least most charters have rigorous academic course work as part of their mission statements, which doesn’t happen in public anymore. Please step inside of a school, classroom or just visit during lunch before making such a statement Charters have been around for quite sometime now so please stop blaming a failed system on them. Public education, specifically in NC, sucks and last time I checked the government was run by Dems.
North Carolina's government is not run by Democrats! Yes the Governor is Democrat and a few cabinet positions but thats it. Republicans control the General Assembly. They make the laws, not the Governor. They have for over a decade, maybe closer to 2. Democrats do not control the government in DC. They have the executive branch and the Senate. Republicans have the house, which is why nothing has gotten done for 2 years. But it doesn't shock me people don't know that, these same people seem to think Trump is going to snap his fingers and circumvent Congress for all this chaos. People literally have no idea how government works. Educate yourselves for the love of God. Stop being ignorant! It's a choice that too many folks are making including several of you. If that makes you mad, I'm not sorry. Fix it. Educate yourselves on how the makeup of the government. Educate yourselves on the bills being filed in Raleigh. Educate yourselves on the finance reports of the ones in Raleigh. Look where they are getting money. Look at the fact Republicans are allowing dark money PACs to infiltrate our elections now. Look at the fact Governor Cooper vetoed a bill today labeled disaster relief that had very little disaster relief and just moved money from one account to another with no money going to disaster relief with the bill focusing on stripping power from the Governor because Republicans are mad a terrible person and candidate lost the race for Governor. Wake the heck up and stop whining over the price of eggs and indoctrination that's not happening. Know what's indoctrination? States like Oklahoma sticking Trump Bibles in schools. Some folks do not know what they think they do and have taken the bait hook line and sinker.
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MR MAN IN YHE HOUSE. CLOWN CLOWN CLOWN CLOWN. NO NOBODY USE THAT WORD EXCEPT FOR EMINEM LOOK ALIKES AND SPLIT TAIL WANNABEES
Democrats had the majority last 2 years in DC. Republicans want until Jan 6th. SMH.
Democrats control the Senate, Republicans control the House in DC. It has been this way since January of 2023. Did you forget how much of a debacle it was for Republicans to choose a speaker? Then they managed to force out the speaker and went through the chaos again? Why are you choosing to be this ignorant?
Shake your head harder, maybe you'll find some knowledge.
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While the federal government plays a significant role in funding public education, the traditional vs. charter vs. private schools is a state issue.
In 2011, the Republican North Carolina legislature removed the cap of 100 charter schools in North Carolina (one per county). Since that time, the number of charter schools has more than doubled to 210. The number of charter students has also more than doubled.
About 29% of charter schools are owned or operated by for profit companies. The rate of low performance is about the same for traditional (32%) as for charters (33%). I pulled those numbers from a Google search. While I can’t personally vouch for the accuracy, I believe them to be true.
The issuance of vouchers for private schools was approved by the legislative Republican majority. Under the guise of “parental choice”, the legislature is determined to destroy traditional public schools in North Carolina. I’ll give them credit. They have become experts at messaging. They can sell us manure as long as they can convince us it tastes like good old American apple pie.
So, regardless of your political beliefs, if you don’t like the role charter schools play in high school athletics (or even academics), look no farther than the General Assembly. And that, like it or not, is due to one political party only.
In 2011, the Republican North Carolina legislature removed the cap of 100 charter schools in North Carolina (one per county). Since that time, the number of charter schools has more than doubled to 210. The number of charter students has also more than doubled.
About 29% of charter schools are owned or operated by for profit companies. The rate of low performance is about the same for traditional (32%) as for charters (33%). I pulled those numbers from a Google search. While I can’t personally vouch for the accuracy, I believe them to be true.
The issuance of vouchers for private schools was approved by the legislative Republican majority. Under the guise of “parental choice”, the legislature is determined to destroy traditional public schools in North Carolina. I’ll give them credit. They have become experts at messaging. They can sell us manure as long as they can convince us it tastes like good old American apple pie.
So, regardless of your political beliefs, if you don’t like the role charter schools play in high school athletics (or even academics), look no farther than the General Assembly. And that, like it or not, is due to one political party only.
You know, some of us went through the university education curriculum once upon a time. At App. St. every education major had to take "audiovisual instruction", which was a two-hour credit. In that class we were taught to have a hook in the wall behind the screen you pull down so that you can hook the screen to it and eliminate "the keystone effect".
There was a block of instruction on this, and we had to test on it as a competency in order to pass (I am not kidding in the slightest),
So, when the point is raised about how Charters can hire those who aren't certified, I can only respond:
I wish I could say that it was the only education class that was a waste of time, but it wasn't, it was only the worst example.
So, if charters want to hire a kid who had another math or history or English class in place of that then I'm completely in favor of that. The bureaucracy surrounding all of this was built up over time and can't be quickly reformed. But charters are popular because parents do want some choice. They don't want some indifferent public functionary telling them where their kid will go to school, even if the school is horrible and the teachers are just counting down the days until they can get their pension (I saw plenty of those in the brief time I was in the classroom).
I've said it before, but it bears repeating-I hope the Democrats make it a point to run against school reform and school choice in every election. I want them to go before parents and say, "we know best regarding your kids". Please carry on with that.
There was a block of instruction on this, and we had to test on it as a competency in order to pass (I am not kidding in the slightest),
So, when the point is raised about how Charters can hire those who aren't certified, I can only respond:
I wish I could say that it was the only education class that was a waste of time, but it wasn't, it was only the worst example.
So, if charters want to hire a kid who had another math or history or English class in place of that then I'm completely in favor of that. The bureaucracy surrounding all of this was built up over time and can't be quickly reformed. But charters are popular because parents do want some choice. They don't want some indifferent public functionary telling them where their kid will go to school, even if the school is horrible and the teachers are just counting down the days until they can get their pension (I saw plenty of those in the brief time I was in the classroom).
I've said it before, but it bears repeating-I hope the Democrats make it a point to run against school reform and school choice in every election. I want them to go before parents and say, "we know best regarding your kids". Please carry on with that.
It's not that they can hire uncertified teachers, it's that they can and don't have to jump through the hoops the traditonal school systems do to hire uncertified teachers.
No one is saying we know whats best for your kids but the messaging is, that our schools should be good enough that parents don't feel they have to look elsewhere.
All this school choice stuff is doing is resegregating schools and lining pockets.
No one is saying we know whats best for your kids but the messaging is, that our schools should be good enough that parents don't feel they have to look elsewhere.
All this school choice stuff is doing is resegregating schools and lining pockets.
You make some good points. I’d be interested in your thoughts on:You know, some of us went through the university education curriculum once upon a time. At App. St. every education major had to take "audiovisual instruction", which was a two-hour credit. In that class we were taught to have a hook in the wall behind the screen you pull down so that you can hook the screen to it and eliminate "the keystone effect".
There was a block of instruction on this, and we had to test on it as a competency in order to pass (I am not kidding in the slightest),
So, when the point is raised about how Charters can hire those who aren't certified, I can only respond:
I wish I could say that it was the only education class that was a waste of time, but it wasn't, it was only the worst example.
So, if charters want to hire a kid who had another math or history or English class in place of that then I'm completely in favor of that. The bureaucracy surrounding all of this was built up over time and can't be quickly reformed. But charters are popular because parents do want some choice. They don't want some indifferent public functionary telling them where their kid will go to school, even if the school is horrible and the teachers are just counting down the days until they can get their pension (I saw plenty of those in the brief time I was in the classroom).
I've said it before, but it bears repeating-I hope the Democrats make it a point to run against school reform and school choice in every election. I want them to go before parents and say, "we know best regarding your kids". Please carry on with that.
When charter schools were first sold to the public, one of those selling points was that charters would be “an incubator of innovative educational ideas and best practices”. The public was told that those ideas would be incorporated into traditional public school curriculum. Do you believe that is being done? Should DPI be required to determine which ideas work well and use those in the curriculum for traditional publics?
One criticism has been the double standard of charters not being required to accept every student, and providing meals and transportation. In order to fairly assess charters vs. traditionals, should that be changed? If not, doesn’t it follow that only parents who can provide meals and transportation truly have access to charters? Even if not racial segregation, is it not the socio-economic version?
It is certainly true that most parents want what’s best for their kids. But if “those who can get out, do”, isn’t it also true that eventually what is left are the poorer, often single parent kids who often have the most behavioral issues?
I am an unaffiliated voter who has never voted a straight ticket. But I see it as one party wanting for profit education instead of the constitutionally mandated educational availability for all. And, once again, it’s the messaging that the other party is against parental choice. Perhaps the true message should be that the state should do everything possible to make all three types of schools work instead of demonizing traditional public schools. There is room for all three types if those opportunities are more equal.
There are several questions here and I'm going to try to answer some. But not all, I don't pretend to know the answer to all of these questions. The ones I will try to answer I'll give you my honest opinion, and you can take that for what it's worth.
When charter schools were first sold to the public, one of those selling points was that charters would be “an incubator of innovative educational ideas and best practices”. The public was told that those ideas would be incorporated into traditional public school curriculum. Do you believe that is being done? Should DPI be required to determine which ideas work well and use those in the curriculum for traditional publics?
I think the idea is that we can try different things and see what works and what doesn't. But mostly we should try to get away from the "one size fits all approach" that dominated public schools for a long time. Something that works in one place may not work in another. But generally I think the bureaucracy trying to figure this out is a doomed approach.
If not, doesn’t it follow that only parents who can provide meals and transportation truly have access to charters? Even if not racial segregation, is it not the socio-economic version?
Some parents are always going to care more than others and I don't think there's anything that can be done about that. The state can't make up that lack of parental effort and, even teachers who try very hard to do so will struggle. What I don't think we should do is punish parents who do try. That should be rewarded and we'll see if those sorts of incentives encourage other parents to try harder.
It is certainly true that most parents want what’s best for their kids. But if “those who can get out, do”, isn’t it also true that eventually what is left are the poorer, often single parent kids who often have the most behavioral issues?
Human behavior is complex, and we can't always tell what's going on with a kid psychologically, biologically or behaviorally. This is especially true during adolescence when hormones are doing a lot of work in those young bodies. We might have classes where we teach aspiring teachers about how to handle behavioral and emotional problems and what might be behind those, but we don't (or at least didn't when I was in school). Frankly, I'm not sure most teachers are equipped to deal with this and I don't know if schools are the right place, but this is what we've got.
Perhaps the true message should be that the state should do everything possible to make all three types of schools work instead of demonizing traditional public schools.
The state is not a neutral institution and never was. It makes all sorts of politically motivated decisions that favor one group over another. I'm in favor of limiting its influence over our society wherever possible (this is not easily done).
The state established those credentials and made them mandatory. If public schools are having such problems, that's due to the politicized nature of the process. You guys never tell us how you'd make reforms other than throw money at the problem. Parents can at least try to make decisions based on what they think is best, not some bureaucrat.
Thanks for your response. While we don’t agree on everything about this, I always appreciate honest dialogue without the vitriol. I wish our elected leaders would do the same.
Then why can't the state change those credentials?
One of the biggest improvements is giving schools the ability to handle discipline as needed. The state really handcuffs this and is threatening certain school districts funding over the amount of suspensions. Bad behavior staying in classrooms is a huge reason why many folks leave.
We have to pay teachers better to keep them in the classroom and find incentives for them. Schools need adequate teachers to limit class size. Especially in higher grades.
Schools need nurses, counselors, among other services to take those stresses off teachers and administrators. A teacher shouldn't be doing concussion evaluations when a kid bumps their head.
I appreciate your thoughts and think you have valid points in your other post above your reply to me.
I’m definitely not intelligent enough to get in this discussion but…
In addition to better pay for teachers, which is needed to compete with private sector especially since some retirement benefits have gone away, don’t forget about better pay for support personnel. Bus drivers, cafeteria workers and custodians are not always considered but are necessary to educate our young people. These people are often older and have seen the disappearance of those same benefits.
Now yall smart folks can continue with this unending debate while I just keep on lurking..
That too! Several bus drivers in Forsyth didn't show up to work. Some Durham schools are running buses 4 days a week because of the shortage.
Yet that’s an expense not required of charter schools.
Yeah saw that on the news…
You do know that most drivers are not considered full time so have no access to any benefits?
