4A East (week 10)

[FB fan 92]

IF the playoffs were seeded after week 10:

1 Cleveland
32 Holly Springs

16 Southeast Raleigh
17 Ashley

8 Apex Friendship
25 Wake Forest

9 Jordan
24 Hillside



5 Hoggard
28 Middle Creek

12 Millbrook
21 D.H. Conley

13 Leesville Road
20 South View

4 Richmond
29 Gray's Creek



3 Rolesville
30 Overhills

14 Pinecrest
19 Laney

6 New Bern
27 Fuquay-Varina

11 Clayton
22 New Hanover



7 Jack Britt
26 Topsail

10 Pine Forest
23 Enloe

15 Garner
18 Corinth Holders

2 Cardinal Gibbons
31 Sanderson


Greater Neuse River - Auto bid projected to Cleveland over Clayton based on tie break procedure (Higher RPI)
Cap 6 - Auto bid projected to Cardinal Gibbons over Leesville based on tie break procedure (higher RPI)
DAC - Auto bid projected to Jordan over Hillside based on tie break procedure (higher RPI)
United 8 - Auto bid projected to Jack Britt over South View based on tie break procedure (higher RPI)


Determining NCHSAA Playoff Representatives:
1. Conference Standings
If a tie, the tie break decided in the following order:
2. Head-to-Head
3. How the tied team fared again the rest of the conference, starting with the number one team and moving down throughout the conference.
4. NCHSAA RPI standings.
5. Draw will be held by the tied teams for the seeds available.

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

Updated seedings-

1. Cleveland
2. Cardinal Gibbons
3. Hoggard
4. Rolesville
5. Richmond
6. New Bern
7. Jack Britt
8. Jordan

Some interesting potential 2nd round matchups.

Rolesville vs Pinecrest

Richmond vs Clayton

New Bern vs Millbrook

 

[portcity FB]

Possible second round matchup
9-1 Hoggard
9-1 Leesville Rd

 

[FB fan 92]

IMO the seeding process misses the mark. I would like to see a move away from seeding the conference winners first and just seed solely by the RPI.

 

[livlarge]

Relatively new to NC. 32 seeds? Wow...everyone gets a trophy.
I wonder how often the bottom 10 have even been within double digits.

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

Relatively new to NC. 32 seeds? Wow...everyone gets a trophy.
I wonder how often the bottom 10 have even been within double digits.

Multiple 2-win teams will make the playoffs due to their high RPI.

Major overhaul to playoffs starting next year. Moving from 4 classifications to 8.

 

[portcity FB]

Relatively new to NC. 32 seeds? Wow...everyone gets a trophy.
I wonder how often the bottom 10 have even been within double digits.

Wait till next year.

 

[portcity FB]

IMO the seeding process misses the mark. I would like to see a move away from seeding the conference winners first and just seed solely by the RPI.

I agree. At minimum you have to win your conference outright. If a 4A team finishes 2nd or 3rd in a split conference they should not be a top 10 seed.

 

[XOPlan57]

The idea of having 32 seeds does seem to dilute the significance of earning a top spot, and it can lead to situations where teams that haven't performed well during the season still get a favorable position in the playoffs. It’s important for the integrity of the competition that teams are rewarded based on their actual performance.

If we look at some of the recent seasons, it’s not uncommon for teams finishing in the lower tiers of their conferences to end up in playoff positions, which raises questions about the fairness of the system.

Additionally, consider how teams that consistently dominate their conferences, like those who finish first or second, might feel about facing a lower-performing team in the playoffs simply because of a seeding format that prioritizes quantity over quality. It can certainly lead to mismatches and undermine the excitement of the postseason.

 

[PagePirates44]

The idea of having 32 seeds does seem to dilute the significance of earning a top spot, and it can lead to situations where teams that haven't performed well during the season still get a favorable position in the playoffs. It’s important for the integrity of the competition that teams are rewarded based on their actual performance.

If we look at some of the recent seasons, it’s not uncommon for teams finishing in the lower tiers of their conferences to end up in playoff positions, which raises questions about the fairness of the system.

Additionally, consider how teams that consistently dominate their conferences, like those who finish first or second, might feel about facing a lower-performing team in the playoffs simply because of a seeding format that prioritizes quantity over quality. It can certainly lead to mismatches and undermine the excitement of the postseason.

Once again, you have to take into consideration that the sub-divided classifications for playoffs (4AA, 4A, 3AA, 3A). we had THE SAME NUMBER of teams making the playoffs.. That means 64 total 4A teams were making the playoffs then and 64 total 4A teams are making the playoffs now. Maybe it is a bit watered down, but I don't think going to 8A is going to help the situation either...

This current iteration of how the playoff seedings are done are rewarding teams who challenge themselves and schedule quality opponents. They aren't just throwing all the teams who finished lower in the conference into the playoff pool. They are picking the quality ones base on RPI. That is as fair as it gets, at the end of the day, numbers don't lie. Just to give you an example, my alma mater Page, is 3-7 and finished 5th in their 8 team conference, but had the 2nd toughest schedule in the state (according to Simmons), projections say we will get the 24th seed and it looks like they could be up against a 7-3 higher seed that played a much weaker schedule. That doesn't mean Page isn't a solid playoff team, it means that they have quite a few elite teams on the schedule.

People complained, ad nauseum for many years, that teams were being rewarded for playing a soft cupcake schedule and getting higher seeds, compared to teams that were perceived to be higher ranked with perceived tougher schedules (2011 4AA West was a great example, and it didn't work out well for them). The current system shuts down that whole conversation. A team can schedule a bunch of cupcakes in non conference and it could seem like they are "actually performing," but they aren't, and they end up coming up short in the playoffs.

 

[livlarge]

Once again, you have to take into consideration that the sub-divided classifications for playoffs (4AA, 4A, 3AA, 3A). we had THE SAME NUMBER of teams making the playoffs.. That means 64 total 4A teams were making the playoffs then and 64 total 4A teams are making the playoffs now. Maybe it is a bit watered down, but I don't think going to 8A is going to help the situation either...

This current iteration of how the playoff seedings are done are rewarding teams who challenge themselves and schedule quality opponents. They aren't just throwing all the teams who finished lower in the conference into the playoff pool. They are picking the quality ones base on RPI. That is as fair as it gets, at the end of the day, numbers don't lie. Just to give you an example, my alma mater Page, is 3-7 and finished 5th in their 8 team conference, but had the 2nd toughest schedule in the state (according to Simmons), projections say we will get the 24th seed and it looks like they could be up against a 7-3 higher seed that played a much weaker schedule. That doesn't mean Page isn't a solid playoff team, it means that they have quite a few elite teams on the schedule.

People complained, ad nauseum for many years, that teams were being rewarded for playing a soft cupcake schedule and getting higher seeds, compared to teams that were perceived to be better that played tougher schedules (2011 4AA West was a great example, and it didn't work out well for them). The current system shuts down that whole conversation. A team can schedule a bunch of cupcakes in non conference and it could seem like they are "actually performing," but they aren't, and they end up coming up short in the playoffs.

All points well taken.
However....it does mean that Page, while possibly better than other higher seeds with weaker teams and schedules, has a "slim to none" chance of winning the state championship. and let's be honest, do you really want a state champ crowned that has 7 LOSSES!
it's just too many. you don't deserve a chance to compete for the state championship if you're under .500. It makes no sense.

 

[PagePirates44]

All points well taken.
However....it does mean that Page, while possibly better than other higher seeds with weaker teams and schedules, has a "slim to none" chance of winning the state championship. and let's be honest, do you really want a state champ crowned that has 7 LOSSES!
it's just too many. you don't deserve a chance to compete for the state championship if you're under .500. It makes no sense.

I wholeheartedly agree. I don't think we deserve to be in the playoffs, you can read my post in the 4A West thread. But, the current system is what it is.

Post link here https://ncpreps.forums.rivals.com/threads/4a-west-week-10.55359/post-925981

 

[livlarge]

I wholeheartedly agree. I don't think we deserve to be in the playoffs, you can read my post in the 4A West thread. But, the current system is what it is.

Post link here https://ncpreps.forums.rivals.com/threads/4a-west-week-10.55359/post-925981

I'm not entirely certain of the reasoning behind it. But let's say that they are simply trying to "reward" as many teams as possible with at least ONE LAST GAME, especially for those seniors.
Instead of diluting the playoff field with a Shitload of undeserving teams. Cut the number in half. and TBH, I would cut it to 8. BC after all, how many times has a 9-16 seed won states?? I suppose it may have happened, but my guess would be zero.

Anyway....then have all your other teams enter into Thanksgiving Day game contracts, preferably with a non-conference team, that has a natural rival flavor to it. EG, Topsail and Dixon are 10 miles apart, not in the same conference and play every year. Make that game their Turkey bowl. Win win.

No one is doing anything on Thanksgiving morning, besides Mom. and once she gets that bird in the oven, she's free for at least 8 hours too. It would be a great draw and a great community event for people to rally around for the Holidays. If your rival makes the playoff?? maybe you sit out a year, maybe another opponent in a similar situation steps in, or maybe that year's "game" is a family friendly flag football game. IMO opinion, better than a 32 team seeded playoff.

 

[PagePirates44]

I'm not entirely certain of the reasoning behind it. But let's say that they are simply trying to "reward" as many teams as possible with at least ONE LAST GAME, especially for those seniors.
Instead of diluting the playoff field with a Shitload of undeserving teams. Cut the number in half. and TBH, I would cut it to 8. BC after all, how many times has a 9-16 seed won states?? I suppose it may have happened, but my guess would be zero.

Anyway....then have all your other teams enter into Thanksgiving Day game contracts, preferably with a non-conference team, that has a natural rival flavor to it. EG, Topsail and Dixon are 10 miles apart, not in the same conference and play every year. Make that game their Turkey bowl. Win win.

No one is doing anything on Thanksgiving morning, besides Mom. and once she gets that bird in the oven, she's free for at least 8 hours too. It would be a great draw and a great community event for people to rally around for the Holidays. If your rival makes the playoff?? maybe you sit out a year, maybe another opponent in a similar situation steps in, or maybe that year's "game" is a family friendly flag football game. IMO opinion, better than a 32 team seeded playoff.

To be completely honest with you, and this is not the first time its been said on here. But MONEY is involved, and I think that is a big reason why the playoffs are expanded to 32 teams per bracket.

 

[livlarge]

To be completely honest with you, and this is not the first time its been said on here. But MONEY is involved, and I think that is a big reason why the playoffs are expanded to 32 teams per bracket.

Money and morons, a poisonous mix.