2nd draft released
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Okay how can you have an 11 team split conference? Conference F (4A/5A) makes zero sense.
These ten and 11 school conferences are beasts that won't allow much flexibility for non-conference play. Plus 13 schools for basketball in the Smoky Mountain Conference means no non-conference games, or is that a wrong assumption?
I do like the conference Freedom is in though and I hope if goes through.
I do like the conference Freedom is in though and I hope if goes through.
Hate the big conference. Like the teams in the conference. Hate the amount of teams.
Yea, it looks to me like when they had this idea it was right after the edible kicked in. I love the teams but too many of them.
Yep. Thought the same thing. Unless they're going to go back to 11 game seasons. That's a big blow to Cleveland County Athletic Departments.
Terrible is right.
The few that have power in Cleveland County should do what’s necessary to make sure all 4 County teams play each other every year.
Period!
The few that have power in Cleveland County should do what’s necessary to make sure all 4 County teams play each other every year.
Period!
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Totally agree all County teams play each other
10 team conference is beyond pathetic
And to think people get paid to come up with this garbage
The Cleveland County Schools Superintendent is Co-Chair of the Realignment Committee.
I wonder if the Realignment Committee has these two conferences side by side on their spreadsheets or whatever they were using to figure out these conferences.. The following schools were not only aligned the first draft, but these same schools were aligned in the second draft. It seems someone on the committee would have noticed that if you move Northeast and Southern to Conference D and move Glenn and Mt. Tabor to Conference C, this would eliminate two split conferences, but evidently the committee is all smitten with this scramble jamble , slang 'em up against the wall method . Makes no sense.
5-A/6-A Conference C
----Asheboro 6-A
----Eastern Guilford 6-A
----Northern Guilford 6-A
----Southeast Guilford 6-A
----Northeast Guilford 5-A
----Southern Guilford 5-A
5-A/6-A Conference D
----K Vegas Glenn 6-A
----Mt. Tabor 6-A
----Winston - Salem Atkins 5-A
----North Davidson 5-A
----North Forsyth 5-A
----Oak Grove 5-A
5-A/6-A Conference C
----Asheboro 6-A
----Eastern Guilford 6-A
----Northern Guilford 6-A
----Southeast Guilford 6-A
----Northeast Guilford 5-A
----Southern Guilford 5-A
5-A/6-A Conference D
----K Vegas Glenn 6-A
----Mt. Tabor 6-A
----Winston - Salem Atkins 5-A
----North Davidson 5-A
----North Forsyth 5-A
----Oak Grove 5-A
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Can someone explain how Conference F can work at all
1 Brevard
2 East Henderson
3 Pisgah
4 Tuscola
5 Enka
6 Erwin
7 Franklin
8 North Buncombe
9 North Henderson
10 Smokey Mountain
11 West Henderson
11 teams so I guess no non conference what so ever unless they go to 11 games then they all get 1 that just doesn't make a lot of sense
1 Brevard
2 East Henderson
3 Pisgah
4 Tuscola
5 Enka
6 Erwin
7 Franklin
8 North Buncombe
9 North Henderson
10 Smokey Mountain
11 West Henderson
11 teams so I guess no non conference what so ever unless they go to 11 games then they all get 1 that just doesn't make a lot of sense
Yes, I don’t understand the logic at all for this one. Seems to make a lot more sense to keep the 5a/6a Buncombe Schools and then basically turn this year’s Mtn7 conference into the Mtn8 and add Brevard to it. Seems logical but who knows.…
Why go to 8 divisions just to have more split conferences? That makes absolutely no sense. We should have just moved to 5-6 divisions max. The big boys in 5A or 6A and then split the rest evenly with an emphasis on minimal split conferences. The last piece would have had the parochial schools and some charters playing up at least one division.
I'm starting to think that they put this version out there to shut everyone up from complaining about the last version.
You could split the 4A schools out of this, put 3A Hendersonville and Polk in with them for one seven team 5A conference and one six team 3A/4A.
That would only leave you five schools in the 2A/3A Western Highlands, but you could move Patton and Draughn into that. Then move E. Burke, W. Caldwell, Hibriten and Ashe into other conferences.
There's lots of ways to reshuffle the deck, but someone is going to get long drives and some of the smaller schools will end up in conferences split across three classifications. Plenty of schools in the west are already looking at 2+hour drives with these conferences.
Regarding Conference F: The 4A's would have to play all the other 4A's to really deserve to be the best of them. But then, they would either have to play all 7 of the 5A's, with no OOC games, or play 5 of the 7 maybe, and 2 OOC games. Then the next year you would play the two 5A's you didn't play this year, plus 3 more. Overall, I agree with y'all, it's too many. A mess. I give Conference F an F.
Wasn't split conferences a way to cut down on travel for teams? Making R.S. Central drive 2 hours in a bus for a conference game at Lincoln Charter is insane. And they are over an hour to West Lincoln, Lincolnton and Stuart Cramer. It's going to be an expensive year for RS. East Rutherford and Chase will be similar. To be a fly on the wall during these sessions.
If they were going 8 splits then they should have been ok with going across 3 classifications for a conference. Just use power rankings or whatever to seed teams and qualify for playoffs. .
There is lies one of the problems. The schools do not really know what they want, because they do not know the criteria for playoff qualification and seeding. That should have been done first, then the realignment.
I would like to know...which fanbase is happy with the most recent draft?
Also...I think schools that are in remote areas (remote from the majority of other like-sized schools) understand they will have to drive a little more. Probably one reason they like living out there.... to be away from everything.
Here's the thing....that can't drive punishment to the rest of the state. Those sparse/spaced out schools need to be grouped together as much as possible and not make 2/3 of a conf. have to drive an extra 45 minutes to every athletic contest if a regular, reasonable conference is within 15-25 minutes from each school. That's the point of conferences (a grouping from a region).
Also...I think schools that are in remote areas (remote from the majority of other like-sized schools) understand they will have to drive a little more. Probably one reason they like living out there.... to be away from everything.
Here's the thing....that can't drive punishment to the rest of the state. Those sparse/spaced out schools need to be grouped together as much as possible and not make 2/3 of a conf. have to drive an extra 45 minutes to every athletic contest if a regular, reasonable conference is within 15-25 minutes from each school. That's the point of conferences (a grouping from a region).
I said it a few months ago. You have 7 5a’s in WNC. They should be their own conference.
Take the 4- 4a’s make a 4a/3a conference with the 3a teams. Fixes it.
The 1 7a and 3 6a’s can go down the mountain like the 2nd proposal came out with. Makes the most sense.
The 3As have to be with the two 2As that are on an island. It was fine with the 4As and 4 5As in a conference, and 3 5As and 3 6As in a conference. If you have to have McDowell (7A) in with the 5A/6A conference, it would work OK if not good.
I don't envy the realignment committee's job at all. A close friend of mine who is a retired school administrator, served on the realignment committee once back in the early 2000's. He said it's one of the most difficult things he's ever worked on, and among the most thankless.
One thing that he related to me, and what I see reading all the criticism being levied on this thread and others... a lot of the comments on here are based on what the proposal recommends for specific conferences, counties, or schools, but if you look at the job they've got, it's a house of cards. One change may make things better for one school or conference, but that one change also may have a ripple effect that creates hardships for several other schools or conferences.
I agree that it ain't perfect, but what is? 🤷♂️🤷♀️
One thing that he related to me, and what I see reading all the criticism being levied on this thread and others... a lot of the comments on here are based on what the proposal recommends for specific conferences, counties, or schools, but if you look at the job they've got, it's a house of cards. One change may make things better for one school or conference, but that one change also may have a ripple effect that creates hardships for several other schools or conferences.
I agree that it ain't perfect, but what is? 🤷♂️🤷♀️
Shelby
They will have zero competition in the playoffs. You can pair them Gaffney for 11 straight games, go 0-11 and win it all.
Shelby is the answer to your question.
Yep. They know it too. I’m not hating (maybe a little) but it’s feckless of that program to not ask to come up a class.
The problem is there is zero consistency anywhere. If the goal was travel time, they screwed it up. If the goal was fewer split conferences, they screwed it up. If the goal was a certain number of teams per conferences, they screwed it up. It's literally like there was no parameters and they just threw things together. There's about 5 people on this board that could have been done with it in there spare time with minimal gripes. And we could be planning non conference schedules.
For Vance County, the 1st and 2nd draft are completely different:
1st Draft:
Vance County (6A)
Franklinton (6A)
Northern Durham (6A)
Southern Durham (7A)
Hillside - Durham (7A)
Riverside - Durham (7A)
2nd Draft:
Vance County (6A)
Franklinton (6A)
Northern Nash (6A)
Wake Forest (7A)
Heritage - Wake Forest (7A)
Knightdale (7A)
East Wake (7A)
This 2nd draft for the conference as you can tell is spread out very much so. Historically Vance County seldom would play a team from Wake County. With that said I think this conference is better in terms of the gate. But you have an hour south to Knightdale in one direction and an hour east to Northern Nash in Rocky Mount. I'm not sure how I feel about this. Wake Forest would be exciting to play being 35 minutes away. I always said that Vance County and Franklinton would be buddy-buddy in realignment this go-round. Everyone else I just don't know.
In a perfect world, the association would break up 5A Conference 2 and have Vance County and Franklinton play J.F. Webb and South Granville. And really, South Granville will have 6A ADM numbers after the kids from Granville Central are distributed since Granville Central is closing after this athletic year. J.F. Webb will be close but I don't know if they would hit 6A numbers. Person County, which borders Granville County, also has the highest ADM numbers of all 5A schools. Just something to think about. These regional conferences mean something to these communities, and not just money from the gate. At least there is Franklinton for Vance County.
I got the feeling that 5A Conference 2 will stay the same in the final draft since it's a single-classification conference so oh well for that. We will see what happens. Will Vance be included with Durham, Wake, or Nash County? I really don't know what the best realistic solution could be. We will see.
Go Vipers!
1st Draft:
Vance County (6A)
Franklinton (6A)
Northern Durham (6A)
Southern Durham (7A)
Hillside - Durham (7A)
Riverside - Durham (7A)
2nd Draft:
Vance County (6A)
Franklinton (6A)
Northern Nash (6A)
Wake Forest (7A)
Heritage - Wake Forest (7A)
Knightdale (7A)
East Wake (7A)
This 2nd draft for the conference as you can tell is spread out very much so. Historically Vance County seldom would play a team from Wake County. With that said I think this conference is better in terms of the gate. But you have an hour south to Knightdale in one direction and an hour east to Northern Nash in Rocky Mount. I'm not sure how I feel about this. Wake Forest would be exciting to play being 35 minutes away. I always said that Vance County and Franklinton would be buddy-buddy in realignment this go-round. Everyone else I just don't know.
In a perfect world, the association would break up 5A Conference 2 and have Vance County and Franklinton play J.F. Webb and South Granville. And really, South Granville will have 6A ADM numbers after the kids from Granville Central are distributed since Granville Central is closing after this athletic year. J.F. Webb will be close but I don't know if they would hit 6A numbers. Person County, which borders Granville County, also has the highest ADM numbers of all 5A schools. Just something to think about. These regional conferences mean something to these communities, and not just money from the gate. At least there is Franklinton for Vance County.
I got the feeling that 5A Conference 2 will stay the same in the final draft since it's a single-classification conference so oh well for that. We will see what happens. Will Vance be included with Durham, Wake, or Nash County? I really don't know what the best realistic solution could be. We will see.
Go Vipers!
