This years Playoff seeding were a mess by the committee, its a sham $$$$$$ is more imported then just playing the game.There are number of teams with buys and there are teams that have first round home games but there record do not indicate that i'm confused. I really do think the selection committee really needs to think about the one class selection for each bracket no small or big everybody in there classification, 1,2,3,4 best team wins.
The old way
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I always said the old way was and still is the best,but as always some will have a problem with that way too blah blah blah,there is no perfect solution but the old way was the best by far
There's definitely no perfect solution, though I wouldn't mind if they would take parts of their system from this year, parts of it from last year, and parts of it from the year before, still wouldn't be perfect, but would correct a couple of the really strange things
Also, I was wondering which of the old ways did you prefer?
Last year,? with all #1s in at the top, then everybody else a wild card based on overall record.. and then the East & West regions split into pods to set up the bracket (I would have liked last year's ok if not for the pods; thought the point was to prevent 1st Rd conference rematches but in many cases wound up causing them, also made it very possible for a team to have to travel to a team they beat head to head)
Year before that? From 2015, I liked it that really bad teams in a split conference that didn't win their division couldn't make the playoffs at all unless they had 4 wins (in football, .340 win% in other sports)
Did you like the the even older way than that? I hated the pods used back around 2009-2012 or so, in many cases setting up conference tournaments
It sounds like you (and the original thread writer) like the "old way" before the playoffs were subdivided, allowing 64 teams in from each (and of course this year only 48 in 1A & 4A)...it was definitely more of an accomplishment to make the playoffs back when only 32 qualified statewide....I would be ok with going back to 32 in each class, BUT i don't know that the coaches nor the state would go for that idea...I would also only want to go back to that if some measure was put in place to make sure the teams that qualified were worthy playoff teams....I like making sure some wild card teams get in that deserve it...Right now in 2A there would be 18 conference champions, and having 32 in would only mean 14 wild cards...meaning more than one 2nd place team misses the playoffs, would new fewer conferences (or fewer teams in 2A, like back when the 4 classes were 25% each, instead of the new 20/30/30/20, which is why the playoff qualifiers are 48/64/64/48, hence the bye weeks at top in 1A & 4A)
One older way I did not like was allowing in 16 teams and seeding them, but giving each conference a predetermined number of bids, allowing no room for wild cards, that's when you could have a 3 way tie for 1st place with all three teams at 9-2 or 10-1 and one not make the playoffs despite being good enough to get to state finals because they drew the short straw at the conference meeting;
The even older way (which I don't like, now that I've gotten used to something different) was the predetermined brackets by conference finish....go look up on nchsaa.org the brackets from back in the 1970s through the early 1990s (and other sports did this through 2014, which I'm also glad they've stopped), and the 1st Rd matchups were set with things like Conf A #1 vs. Conf D #3, Conf B #2 vs. Conf C #3, Conf E #1 vs Conf G #4, etc., and it while it does avoid 1st Rd conference rematches, you could get a raw deal as inevitably, one of the pairings will wind up being a #2 vs. a #2, one of which might actually the best team in the field, and some years the conference getting 4 teams in only has 1 or 2 worth of making the playoffs
Anyway, like somebody said, no perfect system, and there is some merit to this year letting strength of schedule count for something, but I prefer last year's use of the maxpreps rankings only being done as a tiebreaker within a tier of conference champions, conference #2s, wild cards, etc....NOT for which wild cards qualify for the playoffs
The way it was in the mid 90's,or anyway before the split...playoffs are way watered down,to many repeat champions
I would be ok if they went back to 32 teams in 1A & 4A and 48 in 2A & 3A; problem would be everybody in 1A & 4A would get a 1st Rd bye unless you want their state championships a week earlier than the other two...while the 1-4 seeds in 2A & 3A would get a 1st Rd bye like 1A & 4A have this year....while it still may not prevent 100% of undeserving teams from making the playoffs, it would definitely weed out a bunch of the mediocre teams that might wind up with a running clock in the 1st Rd (and sadly I foresee a few 4th Qtr running clocks in the 2nd Rd for home teams that are getting bye weeks in the 1st Rd in 1A & 4A)...would definitely like to eliminate a few autobids...bump up the number from 5 to 7 or 8 for a league to get 2 autobids, and/or go back to like last year and have only 1 autobid per conference....bottom line is we have to make the rules in the offseason and follow them; then adjust as needed after seeing how it works, you can't make them up as we go along during a season like some folks seem to think would be ok...we are currently in the second consecutive year of a pilot program being tested for who qualifies for the playoffs and how the teams get seeded....no matter what, there will always be a team at #65 or #49 or #33 or whoever winds up being the first one out, who is going to complain about being the first one out...I suppose my whole point here was that if you cut back on the number of teams that qualify, the minimum wins requirement will take care of itself...and remember they did have a minimum wins requirement (4 in football) two years ago for a team potentially getting an auto bid as the second team in a division from a split conference....that kept Brevard out in baseball in 2016, as they were the 2nd place 2A team in a 2A/3A conference but their record was 7-15, below the required .340%, and if it were adopted across the board for autobids, not merely 2nd place in split conferences, but even 1st place in split conferences, and 2nd place in straight conferences...that way you don't have a 1-10 4A team in the playoffs and getting a bye; you don't have a 3-8 2A team playing at home or even in the playoffs, a few 1A teams may not make the playoffs....I could live with 5 wins as a minimum, but would even be ok with 4 if they would make sure these ridiculous things don't happen, would also liked to have seen the 2A team that finished 8-3 make the playoffs, hope any tweaking for next year would make sure they get in
I agree it's too watered down today, (see previous posts), but I don't think simply having repeat champions is a problem in and of itself
If assuming you mean no subdivided playoffs....but if going to 5A, i hope you don't mind split conferences.....I like it that now all split conferences are either 1A/2A or 3A/4A but adding a 5A would make it awkward....would have to do something like 5A is only the top 12%, then do 1A-4A 22/22/22/22....would work fine if all of the schools big enough to be 5A could be contained to 6-8 conferences, all right around Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte
Five classifications is a disaster logistically. I have seen the mapping for it. Not good.
Stay at four classifications for all sports.
32 teams from each class qualify for the playoffs.
List them by enrollment largest to smallest.
Largest 32 are Division 1.
Smallest 32 are Division 6.
The classification would not have anything to do with where a team is placed in the playoffs.
This will put a stop to a school with large 3A or small 4A numbers playing 2AA.
Another option:
Non football sports realign as they do now.
In the middle of that alignment football by itself is realigned.
Use five or six classifications for football. Travel is for a few JV games or Fridays so it is not as much an issue.
32 teams qualify for the playoffs for five rounds.
These options were presented a few years ago to the schools at their region meetings. One of the first things at every meeting was, if we go to five classifications will we still be able to subdivide football.
Another option that goes with what they have now that I think would work better.
Instead of 20/30/30/20 split go to 30/20/20/30 or even more unbalanced split (17/33/33/17)
1A and 4A subdivide 64 teams into five rounds.
2A and 3A qualify 32 teams for five rounds and do not subdivide.
Six total champions.
The enrollments in 2A and 3A are not so extreme.
Stay at four classifications for all sports.
32 teams from each class qualify for the playoffs.
List them by enrollment largest to smallest.
Largest 32 are Division 1.
Smallest 32 are Division 6.
The classification would not have anything to do with where a team is placed in the playoffs.
This will put a stop to a school with large 3A or small 4A numbers playing 2AA.
Another option:
Non football sports realign as they do now.
In the middle of that alignment football by itself is realigned.
Use five or six classifications for football. Travel is for a few JV games or Fridays so it is not as much an issue.
32 teams qualify for the playoffs for five rounds.
These options were presented a few years ago to the schools at their region meetings. One of the first things at every meeting was, if we go to five classifications will we still be able to subdivide football.
Another option that goes with what they have now that I think would work better.
Instead of 20/30/30/20 split go to 30/20/20/30 or even more unbalanced split (17/33/33/17)
1A and 4A subdivide 64 teams into five rounds.
2A and 3A qualify 32 teams for five rounds and do not subdivide.
Six total champions.
The enrollments in 2A and 3A are not so extreme.
The NCHSAA requested 1A and 4A to go to four rounds with 32 teams subdivided. They did not like it. 48 was the compromise. 48 out of 78 schools are making the playoffs in those two classifications.
I liked it when only 2 teams from each conf. went to playoffs. Champion and runner up. It couldean 3 way tie sometimes but that's tough. You have team this year with 8-3 record not going but a 3-7 team making it, because of power rankings from Maxpreps.
How did this ever happen? Also I like playing Championship games at winners home field.
How did this ever happen? Also I like playing Championship games at winners home field.
There are always going to be conferences where a third-place team is better than the first-place team from another conference.
How about this solution: All conference champs quality and then the MaxPreps (or Simmons) ratings rank the other teams to fill out the brackets. Some low-rated second-place finishers might not get in (like Graham in Mid-State this year) but third-place and lower finishers from strong conferences could be in the at-large mix, based on their rating.
The formula also doesn't allow conference foes to meet in first round.
How about this solution: All conference champs quality and then the MaxPreps (or Simmons) ratings rank the other teams to fill out the brackets. Some low-rated second-place finishers might not get in (like Graham in Mid-State this year) but third-place and lower finishers from strong conferences could be in the at-large mix, based on their rating.
The formula also doesn't allow conference foes to meet in first round.
It will be interesting to see if any 11-through-16 seeds win tonight.
I checked the Simmons predictions and he has only one 11-through-16 winner:
No. 12 Lincolnton over No. 5 Graham by 18 points.
Here's the link to tonight's picks:
http://www.simmonsratings.com/hsfbpred.htm
I checked the Simmons predictions and he has only one 11-through-16 winner:
No. 12 Lincolnton over No. 5 Graham by 18 points.
Here's the link to tonight's picks:
http://www.simmonsratings.com/hsfbpred.htm
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Eh, they just need to redistrict the county to get New Hanover, Laney, Hoggard, Ashley all at 4A
